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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Sinner Also, no matter how much some fans tend to poo poo it, the fact remains that we have a weak presence at the position of HEAD COACH, and no matter how many flies we try to ...

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Old 11-02-2024, 12:13 PM   #1
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Also, no matter how much some fans tend to poo poo it, the fact remains that we have a weak presence at the position of HEAD COACH, and no matter how many flies we try to swat around the room, that significant bit of poo, stinks up the whole building.
Yeah ultimately DA is such a bad coach he is not respectable as a leader and every day he remains degrades the team. Veteran players support him because he writes them big checks after they are washed, not because they have any level of respect for his abilities. They says the pay is great, the job is low pressure, and they get January off to spend with family so they can't complain. Even if we can't find a good permanent replacement it would be better to dump DA than to continue with Senior Citizen Santa Claus as our head coach. We would be better off with even a mediocre bridge head coach.
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Old 11-02-2024, 12:51 PM   #2
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Yeah ultimately DA is such a bad coach he is not respectable as a leader and every day he remains degrades the team. Veteran players support him because he writes them big checks after they are washed, not because they have any level of respect for his abilities. They says the pay is great, the job is low pressure, and they get January off to spend with family so they can't complain. Even if we can't find a good permanent replacement it would be better to dump DA than to continue with Senior Citizen Santa Claus as our head coach. We would be better off with even a mediocre bridge head coach.
Dennis Allen has nothing to do with paying the players nor with what they may get paid. Sorry, Bako, you went full bull**** with this. And I'm talking about this comment. Not wasting my time reading your latest novella.
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Old 11-02-2024, 01:04 PM   #3
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Dennis Allen has nothing to do with paying the players nor with what they may get paid. Sorry, Bako, you went full bull**** with this. And I'm talking about this comment. Not wasting my time reading your latest novella.
Hey Bako.. He rolled his eyes and went straight to your latest novella.
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Old 11-02-2024, 01:22 PM   #4
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Dennis Allen has nothing to do with paying the players nor with what they may get paid. Sorry, Bako, you went full bull**** with this. And I'm talking about this comment. Not wasting my time reading your latest novella.
That's right, with Mickey Loomis' extensive football background from the Intuit university of hard knocks, I am sure Dennis Allen has 'nothing' to do with the teams football decisions.

Also, even if say he didnt and the contracts were 100% guided by Mickey Loomis, Jose Cuervo, Johnny Walker, and Jim Beam, nonetheless Dennis Allen is still basically the chosen godson of Loomis. If Loomis is the goose that lays the golden eggs for washed players, paying them double their market value or more, and Loomis has publicly backed DA, do you really expect the players to publicly challenge DA which would in effect be a challenge to Loomis?

If you were struggling at work, knew your performance and sales had been downhill for awhile and due to various circumstances would likely remain that way, and you were coasting to retirement in a couple years, yet the boss writing your checks kept giving you giant raises and bonuses that made no sense, would you publicly challenge your boss for also giving similar treatment to middle management who weren't performing, or would you shut your mouth and cash the checks and say that the boss and middle management are all fine?
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Old 11-02-2024, 02:06 PM   #5
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That's right, with Mickey Loomis' extensive football background from the Intuit university of hard knocks, I am sure Dennis Allen has 'nothing' to do with the teams football decisions.

Also, even if say he didnt and the contracts were 100% guided by Mickey Loomis, Jose Cuervo, Johnny Walker, and Jim Beam, nonetheless Dennis Allen is still basically the chosen godson of Loomis. If Loomis is the goose that lays the golden eggs for washed players, paying them double their market value or more, and Loomis has publicly backed DA, do you really expect the players to publicly challenge DA which would in effect be a challenge to Loomis?

If you were struggling at work, knew your performance and sales had been downhill for awhile and due to various circumstances would likely remain that way, and you were coasting to retirement in a couple years, yet the boss writing your checks kept giving you giant raises and bonuses that made no sense, would you publicly challenge your boss for also giving similar treatment to middle management who weren't performing, or would you shut your mouth and cash the checks and say that the boss and middle management are all fine?
I wouldn't struggling at work so none of that crap matters.

Dennis Allen has had limited input from what I have been told on player acquisition. As head coach he would have no input on how they are acquired, how much they are paid, or how long they are under contract. Only a very limited number of head coaches have ever had that type of power. You can slam him for leadership or coaching deficiencies, but when it comes to the financial end of things you are talking out of your ass.
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Old 11-02-2024, 03:11 PM   #6
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I wouldn't struggling at work so none of that crap matters.

Dennis Allen has had limited input from what I have been told on player acquisition. As head coach he would have no input on how they are acquired, how much they are paid, or how long they are under contract. Only a very limited number of head coaches have ever had that type of power. You can slam him for leadership or coaching deficiencies, but when it comes to the financial end of things you are talking out of your ass.
Ok. Consider him slammed, as he should be. Right out the freaking door… Two and a half years ago. We shouldn’t even be having this conversation right now.
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Old 11-02-2024, 03:53 PM   #7
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I wouldn't struggling at work so none of that crap matters.

Dennis Allen has had limited input from what I have been told on player acquisition. As head coach he would have no input on how they are acquired, how much they are paid, or how long they are under contract. Only a very limited number of head coaches have ever had that type of power. You can slam him for leadership or coaching deficiencies, but when it comes to the financial end of things you are talking out of your ass.
That is fairly ridiculous, a sure path to ruin. I am not saying the head coach should be signing the contracts and making the draft picks, but when you have a GM with a background in accounting, how in his right mind would that GM sign $150 million free agents and offer aging players $30 million extensions without consulting the head coach like "how do you think this QB fits, do you like him?" or "do you think we should extend this aging player, have you noticed them losing a step or do you think they are better than ever, does it make sense that we are considering paying Sequan Barkley money for them or do they strike you as more of a Mixon/Jacobs level player?"

How can a coach ever be expected to win if a drunk accountant is making their roster without even asking them what players they value more or less?

Also, it is ridiculous to say you would never struggle at work. If you had a stroke, would it not effect you? If you had a loss in the family, would it not distract your focus? If you got in a car accident and sustained an injury that required strong pain killers, would you be immune to developing a dependence? Anyone can struggle. DA clearly is struggling, but he just keeps getting support while his washed players get extensions.
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Old 11-02-2024, 06:12 PM   #8
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That is fairly ridiculous, a sure path to ruin. I am not saying the head coach should be signing the contracts and making the draft picks, but when you have a GM with a background in accounting, how in his right mind would that GM sign $150 million free agents and offer aging players $30 million extensions without consulting the head coach like "how do you think this QB fits, do you like him?" or "do you think we should extend this aging player, have you noticed them losing a step or do you think they are better than ever, does it make sense that we are considering paying Sequan Barkley money for them or do they strike you as more of a Mixon/Jacobs level player?"

How can a coach ever be expected to win if a drunk accountant is making their roster without even asking them what players they value more or less?

Also, it is ridiculous to say you would never struggle at work. If you had a stroke, would it not effect you? If you had a loss in the family, would it not distract your focus? If you got in a car accident and sustained an injury that required strong pain killers, would you be immune to developing a dependence? Anyone can struggle. DA clearly is struggling, but he just keeps getting support while his washed players get extensions.
I worked my entire life and never struggled at work. I have since retired. Are you reflecting upon your work life, perhaps?

By the way, Loomis has an entire staff of pro and college scouting departments that answer the vast majority of those questions about players. From what I have been told Allen had nowhere near the say in that sort of thing than Payton.
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Old 11-02-2024, 06:29 PM   #9
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I worked my entire life and never struggled at work. I have since retired. Are you reflecting upon your work life, perhaps?

By the way, Loomis has an entire staff of pro and college scouting departments that answer the vast majority of those questions about players. From what I have been told Allen had nowhere near the say in that sort of thing than Payton.
Bako, by now you should be well aware that Dennis Allen basically has nothing to do with this team. Guido shouldn’t have to keep explaining it to you.

WE NEED A HEAD COACH.
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I worked my entire life and never struggled at work. I have since retired.
What did you do for a living?
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