Perception of Players vs PFF Data Reality

dizzle88 · 11-02-2024, 07:27 PM

Team needs completely resetting.

Coaches, players, management, everyone.

Letting promising young players walk, to keep 35+ year old veterans is showing. We can't keep up with teams on offense or defense and DA has no clue how to coach or motivate.

When I think about DA, there's a Gordon Ramsay quote that always seems so relevant lol "You're a great ****ing talker, but you're a **** cook."

Sinner · 11-02-2024, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I worked my entire life and never struggled at work. I have since retired. Are you reflecting upon your work life, perhaps?

By the way, Loomis has an entire staff of pro and college scouting departments that answer the vast majority of those questions about players. From what I have been told Allen had nowhere near the say in that sort of thing than Payton.

Bako, by now you should be well aware that Dennis Allen basically has nothing to do with this team. Guido shouldn’t have to keep explaining it to you.

WE NEED A HEAD COACH.

rezburna · 11-03-2024, 10:40 AM

Lattimore has only allowed 8 receptions all year. I don’t think he’s given up a TD either. Passer Rating is like 74.4 when targeting him. Those grades are weird sometimes.

BakoSaint · 11-03-2024, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Lattimore has only allowed 8 receptions all year. I don’t think he’s given up a TD either. Passer Rating is like 74.4 when targeting him. Those grades are weird sometimes.

Perhaps it is taking into account the strength of the competition. The best active receiver on the teams we have played this year where Lattimore was active have been: Diontae Johnson, half a game of Devonta Smith, Drake London, Juju SS, Godwin/Evans (both hurt in the game I believe?), Marvin Mims, and Ladd McConkey. I would say in Lattimore's 7 games we have played 2.5 games against good receivers and 4.5 against teams with some of the worst receiving corps in the league.

I don't know exactly how the PFF scores work but I know they have a team of experts whose goal is to produce unbiased objective data. They have not said that Lattimore is great for awhile. Perhaps he is still pretty good, but needs and is getting a lot of safety help, just to cover the McConkleys, Diontaes, and Jujus of the world? Perhaps DA does not make coaching decisions either and Loomis has ordered DA to give Lattimore maximum help from the safeties to justify his bloated contract to cover Loomis' ass.

It is amazing how Lattimore has dodged good receiving competition this year. Clearly the NFC south has the worst receivers in the NFC, with Evans and Olave probably our best, no super elite $30m/yr type receivers. The NFC east has a great receiver on each team in Lamb, Brown, the emerging Nabers, and arguably McLaurin now that he finally has a QB, but so far we have only played two, and Lattimore missed the Lamb game while Brown missed the game against Lattimore. In the AFC we play the AFC West which clearly has the worst receivers in the AFC. The NFC North has Jefferson, St Brown, and Moore/Odunze/Allen but we happen to play Green Bay which has the least star power at receiver of the group. The NFC west has Samuel/Aiyuk, Harrison Jr, Nacua/Kupp, and Metcalf, and we only play the Rams from that group and have not played them yet.

4everSaint · 11-03-2024, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I worked my entire life and never struggled at work. I have since retired.

What did you do for a living?

rezburna · 11-03-2024, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Perhaps it is taking into account the strength of the competition. The best active receiver on the teams we have played this year where Lattimore was active have been: Diontae Johnson, half a game of Devonta Smith, Drake London, Juju SS, Godwin/Evans (both hurt in the game I believe?), Marvin Mims, and Ladd McConkey. I would say in Lattimore's 7 games we have played 2.5 games against good receivers and 4.5 against teams with some of the worst receiving corps in the league.

I don't know exactly how the PFF scores work but I know they have a team of experts whose goal is to produce unbiased objective data. They have not said that Lattimore is great for awhile. Perhaps he is still pretty good, but needs and is getting a lot of safety help, just to cover the McConkleys, Diontaes, and Jujus of the world? Perhaps DA does not make coaching decisions either and Loomis has ordered DA to give Lattimore maximum help from the safeties to justify his bloated contract to cover Loomis' ass.

It is amazing how Lattimore has dodged good receiving competition this year. Clearly the NFC south has the worst receivers in the NFC, with Evans and Olave probably our best, no super elite $30m/yr type receivers. The NFC east has a great receiver on each team in Lamb, Brown, the emerging Nabers, and arguably McLaurin now that he finally has a QB, but so far we have only played two, and Lattimore missed the Lamb game while Brown missed the game against Lattimore. In the AFC we play the AFC West which clearly has the worst receivers in the AFC. The NFC North has Jefferson, St Brown, and Moore/Odunze/Allen but we happen to play Green Bay which has the least star power at receiver of the group. The NFC west has Samuel/Aiyuk, Harrison Jr, Nacua/Kupp, and Metcalf, and we only play the Rams from that group and have not played them yet.

Drake London, Chris Olave, Chris Godwin, and Mike Evans is a pretty great group of WR’s. And Diontae Johnson is really good when he has a solid QB. His production immediately spiked when Dalton took over for Bryce Young. I’ve had Johnson on my fantasy team for years and he’s one hell of a router runner. Either way, every year I see statistics showing Lattimore is rarely giving up TD’s or receptions in general. Run defense dragging him down maybe? I doubt he’s getting a ton of safety help because the Saints love to run single high with man to man across the board. I just feel like we rarely see Lattimore and as a corner, that’s a good thing. But the defense is definitely far from elite. I agree wholeheartedly.

AsylumGuido · 11-03-2024, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by 4everSaint

What did you do for a living?

Degree in accounting with an emphasis on economics, but went into the IT field. Developed and supported natural gas accounting and transmission systems for many years and then moved on to a hospital system owned health insurance company as a systems and business analyst. Also worked with the hospital system's physician network doing data conversions and data input templates as a shared resource until my retirement.

11-02-2024, 07:27 PM	#11
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,139	Re: Perception of Players vs PFF Data Reality Team needs completely resetting. Coaches, players, management, everyone. Letting promising young players walk, to keep 35+ year old veterans is showing. We can't keep up with teams on offense or defense and DA has no clue how to coach or motivate. When I think about DA, there's a Gordon Ramsay quote that always seems so relevant lol "You're a great **ing talker, but you're a ** cook." neugey, leilung and Sinner like this.

11-02-2024, 07:29 PM	#12
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,861	Re: Perception of Players vs PFF Data Reality Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I worked my entire life and never struggled at work. I have since retired. Are you reflecting upon your work life, perhaps? By the way, Loomis has an entire staff of pro and college scouting departments that answer the vast majority of those questions about players. From what I have been told Allen had nowhere near the say in that sort of thing than Payton. Bako, by now you should be well aware that Dennis Allen basically has nothing to do with this team. Guido shouldn’t have to keep explaining it to you. WE NEED A HEAD COACH.
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11-03-2024, 10:40 AM	#13
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,872	Re: Perception of Players vs PFF Data Reality Lattimore has only allowed 8 receptions all year. I don’t think he’s given up a TD either. Passer Rating is like 74.4 when targeting him. Those grades are weird sometimes. Sinner likes this.

11-03-2024, 11:32 AM	#14
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,118	Re: Perception of Players vs PFF Data Reality Originally Posted by rezburna Lattimore has only allowed 8 receptions all year. I don’t think he’s given up a TD either. Passer Rating is like 74.4 when targeting him. Those grades are weird sometimes. Perhaps it is taking into account the strength of the competition. The best active receiver on the teams we have played this year where Lattimore was active have been: Diontae Johnson, half a game of Devonta Smith, Drake London, Juju SS, Godwin/Evans (both hurt in the game I believe?), Marvin Mims, and Ladd McConkey. I would say in Lattimore's 7 games we have played 2.5 games against good receivers and 4.5 against teams with some of the worst receiving corps in the league. I don't know exactly how the PFF scores work but I know they have a team of experts whose goal is to produce unbiased objective data. They have not said that Lattimore is great for awhile. Perhaps he is still pretty good, but needs and is getting a lot of safety help, just to cover the McConkleys, Diontaes, and Jujus of the world? Perhaps DA does not make coaching decisions either and Loomis has ordered DA to give Lattimore maximum help from the safeties to justify his bloated contract to cover Loomis' ass. It is amazing how Lattimore has dodged good receiving competition this year. Clearly the NFC south has the worst receivers in the NFC, with Evans and Olave probably our best, no super elite $30m/yr type receivers. The NFC east has a great receiver on each team in Lamb, Brown, the emerging Nabers, and arguably McLaurin now that he finally has a QB, but so far we have only played two, and Lattimore missed the Lamb game while Brown missed the game against Lattimore. In the AFC we play the AFC West which clearly has the worst receivers in the AFC. The NFC North has Jefferson, St Brown, and Moore/Odunze/Allen but we happen to play Green Bay which has the least star power at receiver of the group. The NFC west has Samuel/Aiyuk, Harrison Jr, Nacua/Kupp, and Metcalf, and we only play the Rams from that group and have not played them yet.
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11-03-2024, 11:51 AM	#16
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,872	Re: Perception of Players vs PFF Data Reality Originally Posted by BakoSaint Perhaps it is taking into account the strength of the competition. The best active receiver on the teams we have played this year where Lattimore was active have been: Diontae Johnson, half a game of Devonta Smith, Drake London, Juju SS, Godwin/Evans (both hurt in the game I believe?), Marvin Mims, and Ladd McConkey. I would say in Lattimore's 7 games we have played 2.5 games against good receivers and 4.5 against teams with some of the worst receiving corps in the league. I don't know exactly how the PFF scores work but I know they have a team of experts whose goal is to produce unbiased objective data. They have not said that Lattimore is great for awhile. Perhaps he is still pretty good, but needs and is getting a lot of safety help, just to cover the McConkleys, Diontaes, and Jujus of the world? Perhaps DA does not make coaching decisions either and Loomis has ordered DA to give Lattimore maximum help from the safeties to justify his bloated contract to cover Loomis' ass. It is amazing how Lattimore has dodged good receiving competition this year. Clearly the NFC south has the worst receivers in the NFC, with Evans and Olave probably our best, no super elite $30m/yr type receivers. The NFC east has a great receiver on each team in Lamb, Brown, the emerging Nabers, and arguably McLaurin now that he finally has a QB, but so far we have only played two, and Lattimore missed the Lamb game while Brown missed the game against Lattimore. In the AFC we play the AFC West which clearly has the worst receivers in the AFC. The NFC North has Jefferson, St Brown, and Moore/Odunze/Allen but we happen to play Green Bay which has the least star power at receiver of the group. The NFC west has Samuel/Aiyuk, Harrison Jr, Nacua/Kupp, and Metcalf, and we only play the Rams from that group and have not played them yet. Drake London, Chris Olave, Chris Godwin, and Mike Evans is a pretty great group of WR’s. And Diontae Johnson is really good when he has a solid QB. His production immediately spiked when Dalton took over for Bryce Young. I’ve had Johnson on my fantasy team for years and he’s one hell of a router runner. Either way, every year I see statistics showing Lattimore is rarely giving up TD’s or receptions in general. Run defense dragging him down maybe? I doubt he’s getting a ton of safety help because the Saints love to run single high with man to man across the board. I just feel like we rarely see Lattimore and as a corner, that’s a good thing. But the defense is definitely far from elite. I agree wholeheartedly.
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11-03-2024, 12:07 PM	#17
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,074	Re: Perception of Players vs PFF Data Reality Originally Posted by 4everSaint What did you do for a living? Degree in accounting with an emphasis on economics, but went into the IT field. Developed and supported natural gas accounting and transmission systems for many years and then moved on to a hospital system owned health insurance company as a systems and business analyst. Also worked with the hospital system's physician network doing data conversions and data input templates as a shared resource until my retirement.