Observations from Saints loss to Raiders in the Superdome

K Major · 01-01-2025, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

He's too soft ...

Add RB to the list (later rounds).

You're right. You can’t count on Miller each week.

Brittle.

jnormand · 12-29-2024, 05:28 PM

Well it was a barn burner. At least we know what we’ve got (or don’t got) come the off season.

Should be interesting.

I almost feel like they’re tanking the last 2 games.

lee909 · 12-29-2024, 05:45 PM

I have only seen the highlights today
Overall its really really bad. There is little cap flexability without doing the same damn thing that hasn't been working for the past 5 years. It leaves me feeling exactly the same as before, blow it up.

I would 100% start with Carr, we don't save anything by cutting him and i don't see the benefit of even giving him a post June cut as they still need to be cap compliant before his cut. So cut him immediatley. There is no upside to Carr at least with Rattler he is young and you can give him the starts and see if he has anything to work with. It won't happen as there isn't a cap benefit to keep him and cutting him and eating the dead money is a really bad look for Loomis. So he will still be here and having him start will probably end up guaranteeing the team 5/6 wins and just blowing a top 5 pick in a season that will be a disater either way.

2026 looks like the time when they will have the ability to start sorting the mess out.

Sinner · 12-29-2024, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

I have only seen the highlights today
Overall its really really bad. There is little cap flexability without doing the same damn thing that hasn't been working for the past 5 years. It leaves me feeling exactly the same as before, blow it up.

I would 100% start with Carr, we don't save anything by cutting him and i don't see the benefit of even giving him a post June cut as they still need to be cap compliant before his cut. So cut him immediatley. There is no upside to Carr at least with Rattler he is young and you can give him the starts and see if he has anything to work with. It won't happen as there isn't a cap benefit to keep him and cutting him and eating the dead money is a really bad look for Loomis. So he will still be here and having him start will probably end up guaranteeing the team 5/6 wins and just blowing a top 5 pick in a season that will be a disater either way.

2026 looks like the time when they will have the ability to start sorting the mess out.

Imagine how painful it is to read what you just wrote, as someone who loudly booed the acquisition of said Raider Curbside Trash from day one, among other things. I got torched on here for four years for “b*tching and moaning” about upper (mis) management, and here we aren’t… again. Not even close to a “rebuild”.

lee909 · 12-29-2024, 06:51 PM

Just reading Nick Underhills latest piece from Mathieu comments. They are not good reading. Pretty said every practise for the last 3 years is at walking pace and it's no wonder players can't tackle and get hurt. It's a pretty brutal assessment and read

jnormand · 12-29-2024, 06:53 PM

Ah a good season or 3 of losing 12 or more games is like natures forest fire.

It just burns up and gets rid of all the older less cap friendly guys and leaves room for some younger talent while the team gets a fresh set of coaches.

It also burns out all the fake fans who will start following other clubs because the Saints suck again and won’t be that fun to watch.

It might be ugly, but sometimes it’s necessary.

The pendulum can only be held back so long before it swings full. And it’s coming.

Exciting times are ahead!

lee909 · 12-29-2024, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Ah a good season or 3 of losing 12 or more games is like natures forest fire.

It just burns up and gets rid of all the older less cap friendly guys and leaves room for some younger talent while the team gets a fresh set of coaches.

It also burns out all the fake fans who will start following other clubs because the Saints suck again and won’t be that fun to watch.

It might be ugly, but sometimes it’s necessary.

The pendulum can only be held back so long before it swings full. And it’s coming.

Exciting times are ahead!

Truth in that
Its just if Loomis allows it to happen or if he tries to delay it again and leave the team in 6-8 win pergatory. But if you get the right people in and scout well you can turn things around pretty quick. Hopefully one 2026/27 drafts will have a good crop of QBs because nothing turns a franchise round quicker than a QB on a rookie deal

Sinner · 12-29-2024, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Ah a good season or 3 of losing 12 or more games is like natures forest fire.

It just burns up and gets rid of all the older less cap friendly guys and leaves room for some younger talent while the team gets a fresh set of coaches.

It also burns out all the fake fans who will start following other clubs because the Saints suck again and won’t be that fun to watch.

It might be ugly, but sometimes it’s necessary.

The pendulum can only be held back so long before it swings full. And it’s coming.

Exciting times are ahead!

You could have written that three years ago, and it would be true. Now it’s just funny. See you here next week? Or is it “next year”? Or maybe a couple or several years after that? Or for as long as old lady Benson sticks around? LMFAO

SmashMouth · 12-29-2024, 08:11 PM

lee909 · 12-29-2024, 08:18 PM

That's Cam knowing he has Loomis by the dangily bits because he's owed 20ml(cap hit) and it'll cost them money on the cap to cut him

01-01-2025, 05:00 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,827 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Raiders in the Superdome Originally Posted by SmashMouth He's too soft ... Add RB to the list (later rounds). You're right. You can’t count on Miller each week. Brittle.

12-29-2024, 05:28 PM	#2
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,757	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Raiders in the Superdome Well it was a barn burner. At least we know what we’ve got (or don’t got) come the off season. Should be interesting. I almost feel like they’re tanking the last 2 games. neugey likes this.

12-29-2024, 05:45 PM	#3
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Raiders in the Superdome I have only seen the highlights today Overall its really really bad. There is little cap flexability without doing the same damn thing that hasn't been working for the past 5 years. It leaves me feeling exactly the same as before, blow it up. I would 100% start with Carr, we don't save anything by cutting him and i don't see the benefit of even giving him a post June cut as they still need to be cap compliant before his cut. So cut him immediatley. There is no upside to Carr at least with Rattler he is young and you can give him the starts and see if he has anything to work with. It won't happen as there isn't a cap benefit to keep him and cutting him and eating the dead money is a really bad look for Loomis. So he will still be here and having him start will probably end up guaranteeing the team 5/6 wins and just blowing a top 5 pick in a season that will be a disater either way. 2026 looks like the time when they will have the ability to start sorting the mess out. neugey, leilung and Sinner like this.
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12-29-2024, 06:25 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Raiders in the Superdome Originally Posted by lee909 I have only seen the highlights today Overall its really really bad. There is little cap flexability without doing the same damn thing that hasn't been working for the past 5 years. It leaves me feeling exactly the same as before, blow it up. I would 100% start with Carr, we don't save anything by cutting him and i don't see the benefit of even giving him a post June cut as they still need to be cap compliant before his cut. So cut him immediatley. There is no upside to Carr at least with Rattler he is young and you can give him the starts and see if he has anything to work with. It won't happen as there isn't a cap benefit to keep him and cutting him and eating the dead money is a really bad look for Loomis. So he will still be here and having him start will probably end up guaranteeing the team 5/6 wins and just blowing a top 5 pick in a season that will be a disater either way. 2026 looks like the time when they will have the ability to start sorting the mess out. Imagine how painful it is to read what you just wrote, as someone who loudly booed the acquisition of said Raider Curbside Trash from day one, among other things. I got torched on here for four years for “b*tching and moaning” about upper (mis) management, and here we aren’t… again. Not even close to a “rebuild”.
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12-29-2024, 06:51 PM	#5
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Raiders in the Superdome Just reading Nick Underhills latest piece from Mathieu comments. They are not good reading. Pretty said every practise for the last 3 years is at walking pace and it's no wonder players can't tackle and get hurt. It's a pretty brutal assessment and read

12-29-2024, 06:53 PM	#6
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,757	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Raiders in the Superdome Ah a good season or 3 of losing 12 or more games is like natures forest fire. It just burns up and gets rid of all the older less cap friendly guys and leaves room for some younger talent while the team gets a fresh set of coaches. It also burns out all the fake fans who will start following other clubs because the Saints suck again and won’t be that fun to watch. It might be ugly, but sometimes it’s necessary. The pendulum can only be held back so long before it swings full. And it’s coming. Exciting times are ahead! UK_WhoDat and neugey like this.

12-29-2024, 07:00 PM	#7
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Raiders in the Superdome Originally Posted by jnormand Ah a good season or 3 of losing 12 or more games is like natures forest fire. It just burns up and gets rid of all the older less cap friendly guys and leaves room for some younger talent while the team gets a fresh set of coaches. It also burns out all the fake fans who will start following other clubs because the Saints suck again and won’t be that fun to watch. It might be ugly, but sometimes it’s necessary. The pendulum can only be held back so long before it swings full. And it’s coming. Exciting times are ahead! Truth in that Its just if Loomis allows it to happen or if he tries to delay it again and leave the team in 6-8 win pergatory. But if you get the right people in and scout well you can turn things around pretty quick. Hopefully one 2026/27 drafts will have a good crop of QBs because nothing turns a franchise round quicker than a QB on a rookie deal

12-29-2024, 07:25 PM	#8
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Raiders in the Superdome Originally Posted by jnormand Ah a good season or 3 of losing 12 or more games is like natures forest fire. It just burns up and gets rid of all the older less cap friendly guys and leaves room for some younger talent while the team gets a fresh set of coaches. It also burns out all the fake fans who will start following other clubs because the Saints suck again and won’t be that fun to watch. It might be ugly, but sometimes it’s necessary. The pendulum can only be held back so long before it swings full. And it’s coming. Exciting times are ahead! You could have written that three years ago, and it would be true. Now it’s just funny. See you here next week? Or is it “next year”? Or maybe a couple or several years after that? Or for as long as old lady Benson sticks around? LMFAO
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12-29-2024, 08:18 PM	#10
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from Saints loss to Raiders in the Superdome That's Cam knowing he has Loomis by the dangily bits because he's owed 20ml(cap hit) and it'll cost them money on the cap to cut him neugey likes this.