Head Coaching News and Rumors

BakoSaint · 01-30-2025, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Florio is saying pretty nice things about us. Am i high?!

No, Mickey Loomis, who he is saying nice things about, is. The fact is that the Saints do have a meddling owner as bad as Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones, and similar in many lifestyle choices to Jim Irsay, but that owner doesnt actually own the team, he is just a business guy with no football expertise who things he’s a genius, except instead of actually being good enough at business or related to someone good enough at business to own a team, he defauded some vulnerable seniors into letting him play at being owner, Mickey Loomis.

The reality is that Florio is no cap expert. He doesnt understand that much like Jerry Krause was a loser without Jordan and Knight, Loomis has never won without Brees and Payton. He also doesn’t understand that Loomis’s means of getting out of a cap mess has never been to rebuild, only to double down on aging injury prone vets with restructure, and that likely means Jordan, Hill, Kamara, Carr, Mathieu, Davis, Mr Concussion Olave, etc playing on the Saints until age 40 or beyond regardless of performance.

Also, its easy to say that Kellen Moore cleared the field, but nobody knows Moore’s latest contract demands. Plenty of teams have a favorite they will most likely hire for coach but in no other cases have so many others backed out. Moore is in a position to demand $100 million if the Saints are out of other options.

AsylumGuido · 01-30-2025, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

No, Mickey Loomis, who he is saying nice things about, is. The fact is that the Saints do have a meddling owner as bad as Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones, and similar in many lifestyle choices to Jim Irsay, but that owner doesnt actually own the team, he is just a business guy with no football expertise who things he’s a genius, except instead of actually being good enough at business or related to someone good enough at business to own a team, he defauded some vulnerable seniors into letting him play at being owner, Mickey Loomis.

The reality is that Florio is no cap expert. He doesnt understand that much like Jerry Krause was a loser without Jordan and Knight, Loomis has never won without Brees and Payton. He also doesn’t understand that Loomis’s means of getting out of a cap mess has never been to rebuild, only to double down on aging injury prone vets with restructure, and that likely means Jordan, Hill, Kamara, Carr, Mathieu, Davis, Mr Concussion Olave, etc playing on the Saints until age 40 or beyond regardless of performance.

Also, its easy to say that Kellen Moore cleared the field, but nobody knows Moore’s latest contract demands. Plenty of teams have a favorite they will most likely hire for coach but in no other cases have so many others backed out. Moore is in a position to demand $100 million if the Saints are out of other options.

What does it matter to you, or any of us, if Moore gets $100 million?

By the way, did you even read the article? Florio points out the very fact that you said he was ignoring when he wrote the following:

"What do the Saints have? An owner who is patient and doesn’t meddle. A General Manager who has built teams that consistently contended, when they topped off the rest of the roster with a great coach and a great quarterback.

While neither are easy to find, that’s arguably all the Saints are missing. And so they hire a first-time coach in Moore (like they did 18 years ago with Payton) and they find a quarterback, like they did 18 years ago when Drew Brees was a free agent and the Dolphins didn’t want him."

WhoDat!656 · 01-30-2025, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What does it matter to you, or any of us, if Moore gets $100 million?

By the way, did you even read the article? Florio points out the very fact that you said he was ignoring when he wrote the following:

"What do the Saints have? An owner who is patient and doesn’t meddle. A General Manager who has built teams that consistently contended, when they topped off the rest of the roster with a great coach and a great quarterback.

While neither are easy to find, that’s arguably all the Saints are missing. And so they hire a first-time coach in Moore (like they did 18 years ago with Payton) and they find a quarterback, like they did 18 years ago when Drew Brees was a free agent and the Dolphins didn’t want him."

You said the quiet part out loud.

jnormand · 01-30-2025, 11:18 AM

I actually don’t give a hoot how much money a coach wants to coach here. It doesn’t affect the cap and it’s not my money being blown. I just want a good coach.

voodooido · 01-30-2025, 11:18 AM

Gruden might be the only one who can salvage this team.

jnormand · 01-30-2025, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Gruden might be the only one who can salvage this team.

Gruden might be the only one who will take the job. Everyone has their preferences but I just want someone that can manage this mess of a roster and put this team on track to winning. Be it Moore, Kafka, Weaver or Gruden. **** I don’t care if it’s a watermelon with a hat on. Just get someone that’ll take care of business.

SmashMouth · 01-30-2025, 01:53 PM

SmashMouth · 01-30-2025, 02:23 PM

voodooido · 01-30-2025, 08:27 PM

I guess it could be worse but I’d rather have Gruden

TheOak · 01-31-2025, 06:20 AM

As painful and inconvenient as reality can be, we often need a dose of it. New Orleans was not the first choice for either Sean Payton or Drew Brees and nothing has changed in the front office since 2006 to change that. One could argue that we are less attractive now with a disengaged owner.

Sean desperately wanted to coach the Giants and when he read that the job went to McCarthy he threw his phone. Loomis did not lure him away from Dallas.

Drews first choice was Miami, we did not attract him until his options were limited.

Who has Sean openly stated was his mentor? His mentor on a daily basis was Tom Benson and he has stated that publicly.

If we want to be a team that attracts talent we need to name a Head Coach that players want to play for above everything else. We need to also stop pretending that Mickey Loomis is anything but a contract manager because in the word of football where things matter on the field he is not on anyone's radar. It is time to ask your roster who they want to play for; if your team wants to play for someone, chances are other teams players want to play for them as well.

01-30-2025, 09:51 AM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,407	Re: Head Coaching News and Rumors Originally Posted by neugey Florio is saying pretty nice things about us. Am i high?! No, Mickey Loomis, who he is saying nice things about, is. The fact is that the Saints do have a meddling owner as bad as Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones, and similar in many lifestyle choices to Jim Irsay, but that owner doesnt actually own the team, he is just a business guy with no football expertise who things he’s a genius, except instead of actually being good enough at business or related to someone good enough at business to own a team, he defauded some vulnerable seniors into letting him play at being owner, Mickey Loomis. The reality is that Florio is no cap expert. He doesnt understand that much like Jerry Krause was a loser without Jordan and Knight, Loomis has never won without Brees and Payton. He also doesn’t understand that Loomis’s means of getting out of a cap mess has never been to rebuild, only to double down on aging injury prone vets with restructure, and that likely means Jordan, Hill, Kamara, Carr, Mathieu, Davis, Mr Concussion Olave, etc playing on the Saints until age 40 or beyond regardless of performance. Also, its easy to say that Kellen Moore cleared the field, but nobody knows Moore’s latest contract demands. Plenty of teams have a favorite they will most likely hire for coach but in no other cases have so many others backed out. Moore is in a position to demand $100 million if the Saints are out of other options. neugey likes this.
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01-30-2025, 10:48 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Head Coaching News and Rumors Originally Posted by BakoSaint No, Mickey Loomis, who he is saying nice things about, is. The fact is that the Saints do have a meddling owner as bad as Daniel Snyder or Jerry Jones, and similar in many lifestyle choices to Jim Irsay, but that owner doesnt actually own the team, he is just a business guy with no football expertise who things he’s a genius, except instead of actually being good enough at business or related to someone good enough at business to own a team, he defauded some vulnerable seniors into letting him play at being owner, Mickey Loomis. The reality is that Florio is no cap expert. He doesnt understand that much like Jerry Krause was a loser without Jordan and Knight, Loomis has never won without Brees and Payton. He also doesn’t understand that Loomis’s means of getting out of a cap mess has never been to rebuild, only to double down on aging injury prone vets with restructure, and that likely means Jordan, Hill, Kamara, Carr, Mathieu, Davis, Mr Concussion Olave, etc playing on the Saints until age 40 or beyond regardless of performance. Also, its easy to say that Kellen Moore cleared the field, but nobody knows Moore’s latest contract demands. Plenty of teams have a favorite they will most likely hire for coach but in no other cases have so many others backed out. Moore is in a position to demand $100 million if the Saints are out of other options. What does it matter to you, or any of us, if Moore gets $100 million? By the way, did you even read the article? Florio points out the very fact that you said he was ignoring when he wrote the following: "What do the Saints have? An owner who is patient and doesn’t meddle. A General Manager who has built teams that consistently contended, when they topped off the rest of the roster with a great coach and a great quarterback. While neither are easy to find, that’s arguably all the Saints are missing. And so they hire a first-time coach in Moore (like they did 18 years ago with Payton) and they find a quarterback, like they did 18 years ago when Drew Brees was a free agent and the Dolphins didn’t want him." WW_Who_Dat likes this.
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01-30-2025, 11:40 AM	#3
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,094	Re: Head Coaching News and Rumors Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What does it matter to you, or any of us, if Moore gets $100 million? By the way, did you even read the article? Florio points out the very fact that you said he was ignoring when he wrote the following: "What do the Saints have? An owner who is patient and doesn’t meddle. A General Manager who has built teams that consistently contended, when they topped off the rest of the roster with a great coach and a great quarterback. While neither are easy to find, that’s arguably all the Saints are missing. And so they hire a first-time coach in Moore (like they did 18 years ago with Payton) and they find a quarterback, like they did 18 years ago when Drew Brees was a free agent and the Dolphins didn’t want him." You said the quiet part out loud.

01-30-2025, 11:18 AM	#4
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,773	Re: Head Coaching News and Rumors I actually don’t give a hoot how much money a coach wants to coach here. It doesn’t affect the cap and it’s not my money being blown. I just want a good coach. AsylumGuido likes this.

01-30-2025, 11:18 AM	#5
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,842	Re: Head Coaching News and Rumors Gruden might be the only one who can salvage this team.
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01-30-2025, 12:27 PM	#6
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,773	Re: Head Coaching News and Rumors Originally Posted by voodooido Gruden might be the only one who can salvage this team. Gruden might be the only one who will take the job. Everyone has their preferences but I just want someone that can manage this mess of a roster and put this team on track to winning. Be it Moore, Kafka, Weaver or Gruden. **** I don’t care if it’s a watermelon with a hat on. Just get someone that’ll take care of business. WhoDat!656 likes this.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,842	Re: Head Coaching News and Rumors I guess it could be worse but I’d rather have Gruden
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01-31-2025, 06:20 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Head Coaching News and Rumors As painful and inconvenient as reality can be, we often need a dose of it. New Orleans was not the first choice for either Sean Payton or Drew Brees and nothing has changed in the front office since 2006 to change that. One could argue that we are less attractive now with a disengaged owner. Sean desperately wanted to coach the Giants and when he read that the job went to McCarthy he threw his phone. Loomis did not lure him away from Dallas. Drews first choice was Miami, we did not attract him until his options were limited. Who has Sean openly stated was his mentor? His mentor on a daily basis was Tom Benson and he has stated that publicly. If we want to be a team that attracts talent we need to name a Head Coach that players want to play for above everything else. We need to also stop pretending that Mickey Loomis is anything but a contract manager because in the word of football where things matter on the field he is not on anyone's radar. It is time to ask your roster who they want to play for; if your team wants to play for someone, chances are other teams players want to play for them as well.
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