Turning Attention to the Draft

rezburna · 04-15-2025, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Just heard on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains that he still hasn't run a 40 and that his short shuttle times were slower than those of elite CB's. They did say his tape was impressive but the size (6'3" +) is there and that he fits more of the Pete Carroll mold from the Legion of Boom days.

If we move to a more zone heavy scheme he's perfect for it. If we're still going to be man heavy then there are better fits. He'd be perfect somewhere like Philly, so if we adopt that style of defense he's going to be an All-Pro one day.

SmashMouth · 04-15-2025, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

If we move to a more zone heavy scheme he's perfect for it. If we're still going to be man heavy then there are better fits. He'd be perfect somewhere like Philly, so if we adopt that style of defense he's going to be an All-Pro one day.

What if we play a 9-1-1 defense? Blitz every down and leave one in the backfield like Alontae.

rezburna · 04-16-2025, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

What if we play a 9-1-1 defense? Blitz every down and leave one in the backfield like Alontae.

I grew up in a program that ran a hype aggressive 4-6 defense with both corners manned up, one safety playing center field, and everybody else blitzing. If you have the speed you can possibly do something like that from time to time. The Vikings like to run Cover 4 and blitz from that. I know you were joking but I like the idea of being blitz heavy and keeping everything in front of you.

K Major · 04-16-2025, 11:12 AM

Shadeur Sanders - QB
Colorado

Strengths
- Plays with confidence and composure from the pocket.
- Keeps his eyes downfield as the pocket compresses.
- Shows off ability to pump and reset when the play appears not to develop as he expected.
- Able to buy himself time and move his launch point when needed.
- Willing to stand in and take punishment when he gets locked in on the throw.
- Gets hips squared to the target on rollout throws.
- Steps into drive throws between the hashes and puts it on-frame.
- Allows routes to develop and throws with timing into zone windows.
- Hits receivers in stride and leads them into yards after the catch.
- Consistently accurate when he throws from a balanced platform.

Weaknesses
- Spacing and clearly defined route combinations make decision-making easier.
- Drops beyond proper pocket depth and into edge rusher’s path.
- Throws with a longer operation time.
- Has completions on tape that will be interceptions in the pros.

Draft projection - top 10 pick

voodooido · 04-16-2025, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Shadeur Sanders - QB
Colorado

Strengths
- Plays with confidence and composure from the pocket.
- Keeps his eyes downfield as the pocket compresses.
- Shows off ability to pump and reset when the play appears not to develop as he expected.
- Able to buy himself time and move his launch point when needed.
- Willing to stand in and take punishment when he gets locked in on the throw.
- Gets hips squared to the target on rollout throws.
- Steps into drive throws between the hashes and puts it on-frame.
- Allows routes to develop and throws with timing into zone windows.
- Hits receivers in stride and leads them into yards after the catch.
- Consistently accurate when he throws from a balanced platform.

Weaknesses
- Spacing and clearly defined route combinations make decision-making easier.
- Drops beyond proper pocket depth and into edge rusher’s path.
- Throws with a longer operation time.
- Has completions on tape that will be interceptions in the pros.

Draft projection - top 10 pick

Sanders is not worthy of a top 20 pick. I say he falls to Pittsburgh

SmashMouth · 04-16-2025, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Shadeur Sanders - QB
Colorado

Strengths
- Plays with confidence and composure from the pocket.
- Keeps his eyes downfield as the pocket compresses.
- Shows off ability to pump and reset when the play appears not to develop as he expected.
- Able to buy himself time and move his launch point when needed.
- Willing to stand in and take punishment when he gets locked in on the throw.
- Gets hips squared to the target on rollout throws.
- Steps into drive throws between the hashes and puts it on-frame.
- Allows routes to develop and throws with timing into zone windows.
- Hits receivers in stride and leads them into yards after the catch.
- Consistently accurate when he throws from a balanced platform.

Weaknesses
- Spacing and clearly defined route combinations make decision-making easier.
- Drops beyond proper pocket depth and into edge rusher’s path.
- Throws with a longer operation time.
- Has completions on tape that will be interceptions in the pros.

Draft projection - top 10 pick

A future interception machine is a top ten pick?

K Major · 04-16-2025, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

A future interception machine is a top ten pick?

I don't see three QB “needy” teams passing on Sanders.

It’s all a crap shoot. No one knows how he will pan out.

K Major · 04-16-2025, 02:01 PM

Tyler Shough - QB
Louisville

Strengths
- Displays good command and full-field passing talent when protected.
- Adequate timing getting through his progressions.
- Effective use of eyes to hold linebackers and safeties.
- Splashy arm talent throws are all over his tape.

Weaknesses

- Sluggish operation time working quick-game throws.
- Lacks poise and mobility to overcome turbulent pockets.
- Occasional issues allowing routes to unwind and develop.
- Falls way off delivery when pressure is mounting in front of him.
- Gunslinger mentality brings occasional lapses in decision-making.
- Not enough “extend and win” when flushed from the pocket.
- Missed substantial time due to injury in 2021, 2022 and 2023.

Draft projection - Rd 2 or 3

Tyler will be 26 in September & has had a substantial injury history.

Based on injuries alone, he would be off of my draft board.

The Saints need immediate contributors.

SmashMouth · 04-16-2025, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I don't see three QB “needy” teams passing on Sanders.

It’s all a crap shoot. No one knows how he will pan out.

The guy in the building, aka The Bayou Rattler, has arm strength to rival Brett Favre's. An NFL team today can't afford the kind of passer to rely on timing like a Shedeur and others like him. We have a Shedeur equivalent already in Pretty Boy Haener. We don't need another interception machine.

iceshack149 · 04-16-2025, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I don't see three QB “needy” teams passing on Sanders.

It’s all a crap shoot. No one knows how he will pan out.

I hope the Saints draft d-line or o-line at 9 and stick with Rattler. Deion Sanders still worries me.

04-15-2025, 06:00 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Just heard on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains that he still hasn't run a 40 and that his short shuttle times were slower than those of elite CB's. They did say his tape was impressive but the size (6'3" +) is there and that he fits more of the Pete Carroll mold from the Legion of Boom days. If we move to a more zone heavy scheme he's perfect for it. If we're still going to be man heavy then there are better fits. He'd be perfect somewhere like Philly, so if we adopt that style of defense he's going to be an All-Pro one day.

04-15-2025, 06:11 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,550 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by rezburna If we move to a more zone heavy scheme he's perfect for it. If we're still going to be man heavy then there are better fits. He'd be perfect somewhere like Philly, so if we adopt that style of defense he's going to be an All-Pro one day. What if we play a 9-1-1 defense? Blitz every down and leave one in the backfield like Alontae.

04-16-2025, 10:30 AM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by SmashMouth What if we play a 9-1-1 defense? Blitz every down and leave one in the backfield like Alontae. I grew up in a program that ran a hype aggressive 4-6 defense with both corners manned up, one safety playing center field, and everybody else blitzing. If you have the speed you can possibly do something like that from time to time. The Vikings like to run Cover 4 and blitz from that. I know you were joking but I like the idea of being blitz heavy and keeping everything in front of you.

04-16-2025, 11:12 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,796 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Shadeur Sanders - QB Colorado Strengths - Plays with confidence and composure from the pocket. - Keeps his eyes downfield as the pocket compresses. - Shows off ability to pump and reset when the play appears not to develop as he expected. - Able to buy himself time and move his launch point when needed. - Willing to stand in and take punishment when he gets locked in on the throw. - Gets hips squared to the target on rollout throws. - Steps into drive throws between the hashes and puts it on-frame. - Allows routes to develop and throws with timing into zone windows. - Hits receivers in stride and leads them into yards after the catch. - Consistently accurate when he throws from a balanced platform. Weaknesses - Spacing and clearly defined route combinations make decision-making easier. - Drops beyond proper pocket depth and into edge rusher’s path. - Throws with a longer operation time. - Has completions on tape that will be interceptions in the pros. Draft projection - top 10 pick

04-16-2025, 01:26 PM	#5
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,833	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by K Major Shadeur Sanders - QB Colorado Strengths - Plays with confidence and composure from the pocket. - Keeps his eyes downfield as the pocket compresses. - Shows off ability to pump and reset when the play appears not to develop as he expected. - Able to buy himself time and move his launch point when needed. - Willing to stand in and take punishment when he gets locked in on the throw. - Gets hips squared to the target on rollout throws. - Steps into drive throws between the hashes and puts it on-frame. - Allows routes to develop and throws with timing into zone windows. - Hits receivers in stride and leads them into yards after the catch. - Consistently accurate when he throws from a balanced platform. Weaknesses - Spacing and clearly defined route combinations make decision-making easier. - Drops beyond proper pocket depth and into edge rusher’s path. - Throws with a longer operation time. - Has completions on tape that will be interceptions in the pros. Draft projection - top 10 pick Sanders is not worthy of a top 20 pick. I say he falls to Pittsburgh
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04-16-2025, 01:41 PM	#6
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,550 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by K Major Shadeur Sanders - QB Colorado Strengths - Plays with confidence and composure from the pocket. - Keeps his eyes downfield as the pocket compresses. - Shows off ability to pump and reset when the play appears not to develop as he expected. - Able to buy himself time and move his launch point when needed. - Willing to stand in and take punishment when he gets locked in on the throw. - Gets hips squared to the target on rollout throws. - Steps into drive throws between the hashes and puts it on-frame. - Allows routes to develop and throws with timing into zone windows. - Hits receivers in stride and leads them into yards after the catch. - Consistently accurate when he throws from a balanced platform. Weaknesses - Spacing and clearly defined route combinations make decision-making easier. - Drops beyond proper pocket depth and into edge rusher’s path. - Throws with a longer operation time. - Has completions on tape that will be interceptions in the pros. Draft projection - top 10 pick A future interception machine is a top ten pick?

04-16-2025, 01:54 PM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,796 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by SmashMouth A future interception machine is a top ten pick? I don't see three QB “needy” teams passing on Sanders. It’s all a crap shoot. No one knows how he will pan out.

04-16-2025, 02:01 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,796 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Tyler Shough - QB Louisville Strengths - Displays good command and full-field passing talent when protected. - Adequate timing getting through his progressions. - Effective use of eyes to hold linebackers and safeties. - Splashy arm talent throws are all over his tape. Weaknesses - Sluggish operation time working quick-game throws. - Lacks poise and mobility to overcome turbulent pockets. - Occasional issues allowing routes to unwind and develop. - Falls way off delivery when pressure is mounting in front of him. - Gunslinger mentality brings occasional lapses in decision-making. - Not enough “extend and win” when flushed from the pocket. - Missed substantial time due to injury in 2021, 2022 and 2023. Draft projection - Rd 2 or 3 Tyler will be 26 in September & has had a substantial injury history. Based on injuries alone, he would be off of my draft board. The Saints need immediate contributors.

04-16-2025, 02:28 PM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,550 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by K Major I don't see three QB “needy” teams passing on Sanders. It’s all a crap shoot. No one knows how he will pan out. The guy in the building, aka The Bayou Rattler, has arm strength to rival Brett Favre's. An NFL team today can't afford the kind of passer to rely on timing like a Shedeur and others like him. We have a Shedeur equivalent already in Pretty Boy Haener. We don't need another interception machine.

04-16-2025, 03:17 PM	#10
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Turning Attention to the Draft Originally Posted by K Major I don't see three QB “needy” teams passing on Sanders. It’s all a crap shoot. No one knows how he will pan out. I hope the Saints draft d-line or o-line at 9 and stick with Rattler. Deion Sanders still worries me.

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