CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR?

saintsfan1976 · 02-27-2025, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Contract numbers aside, I still don't get the negativity that Carr "stinks" or that he's sure to get injured. Coming into last season he started 159 out of 163 possible starts. Last season's 10 games was the only time he started less than 15 in his career. As for stinking, he had a 3 to 1 TD to interception percentage which is always respectable. His passer rating and completion percentage were both top ten and his sack percentage was the best in the league. All of this with what many here would argue was one of the worst offensive lines in the entire league while missing key pieces at other important offensive positions (see Olave and Shaheed).

But you can't put the contract numbers aside. He's insanely over paid. His career 169 starts include just one playoff game—and no wins. His 14-13 record over the last two years (77-92 overall) and zero postseason success scream mediocrity, not the clutch gene of a top QB.

Contract aside, the $40 million cap hit in 2025 is an albatross on the team's neck. Yes, the line and injuries hurt, but a $37.5 million-a-year QB should overcome that, not just survive. Carr’s not stinking by raw stats alone, but he’s not leading us to glory either—he shrivels when it counts, and his paycheck demands more. We need a QB who can win big games and inspire, not just pad stats behind a broken line.

rezburna · 02-28-2025, 06:46 AM

My excitement for this upcoming season dissipated with this announcement.

AsylumGuido · 02-28-2025, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

But you can't put the contract numbers aside. He's insanely over paid. His career 169 starts include just one playoff game—and no wins. His 14-13 record over the last two years (77-92 overall) and zero postseason success scream mediocrity, not the clutch gene of a top QB.

Contract aside, the $40 million cap hit in 2025 is an albatross on the team's neck. Yes, the line and injuries hurt, but a $37.5 million-a-year QB should overcome that, not just survive. Carr’s not stinking by raw stats alone, but he’s not leading us to glory either—he shrivels when it counts, and his paycheck demands more. We need a QB who can win big games and inspire, not just pad stats behind a broken line.

No. Carr isn't a QB that can take a poor team on his shoulders and take them to consistent wins. There's only a handful of those in the league today. His contract puts him in the middle of the pack in current contracts. With the Raiders he never had a defense that ranked above the bottom four in the league. With the Saints he's had nothing but what could be considered one of the worst offensive lines in the league and historic rashes of injuries across the spectrum.

And, yes, I'd love to have one of those handful of elite QB's. And a great offensive line. And a team full of healthy players. But we don't now. Regardless of what Carr is getting paid right now I believe he's the best we have available. And I can see why Kellen Moore thinks the same. Moore doesn't care about contracts or how much a player is getting paid. All he wants to do is put the best players available currently on the field now. That's his job as a head coach.

I am all for drafting another QB and hoping he can be a better option sooner than later. Neither Haener or Rattler have shown any signs of being that answer yet.

Are there better QB's out there? Yes, but not available, that's for sure.

AsylumGuido · 02-28-2025, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

My excitement for this upcoming season dissipated with this announcement.

My excitement level for THIS season is tempered by what I see available beyond Carr as a best option for success in 2025.

Sinner · 02-28-2025, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That makes one of us.

Definitely. You are honestly the only one of us on here that JUST DON’T GET IT.

AsylumGuido · 02-28-2025, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Definitely. You are honestly the only one of us on here that JUST DON’T GET IT.

Oh, I get it. I just know it is what it is and I make the best of it, as I do everything. It's all in how you choose to look at things. If somehow another Drew Brees or Tom Brady walked onto the scene I'd be volunteering to help load Carr's moving van, but that's not happening.

I want exactly what Kellen Moore wants, to put the best viable option out on the field today and that is Carr given what we currently have on our roster today. I would dance with joy if we were to draft a QB that turns out to be starter quality and could take over in 2026.

What you are wanting and *****ing about is something that is not available. It's you that does not get that.

Mr.Riaton · 02-28-2025, 10:44 AM

I get that Carr is the best option as of now, but I was excited that we could just start fresh, even if it is a younger, inexperienced qb at the helm. Clear the negative cap space and start with a young team. Build though the draft and add in experienced veterans where needed with the cap space while also retaining promising young players. I don’t think that’s a bad route to go. I was just hopeful with a new young coaching staff it would come with a young team with cleared cap space and that was exciting to me, and I’m sure many other fans

saintsfan1976 · 02-28-2025, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I get that Carr is the best option, but I was excited that we could just start fresh, even if it is a younger, inexperienced qb at the helm. Clear the negative cap space and start with a young team. Build though the draft and add in experienced veterans where needed with the cap space while also retaining promising young players. I don’t think that’s a bad route to go. I was just hopeful with a new young coaching staff it would come with a young team with cleared cap space and that was exciting to me, and I’m sure many other fans

Carr is only the QB due to his burdensome contract.

Mr.Riaton · 02-28-2025, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Carr is only the QB due to his burdensome contract.

I know. I just want it gone.
It’s not like we’re in contention, just cut bait and start fresh. We still haven’t seen the full potential of Ratter with a good o line and healthy receivers.

saintsfan1976 · 02-28-2025, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton

I know. I just want it gone.
It’s not like we’re in contention, just cut bait and start fresh. We still haven’t seen the full potential of Ratter with a good o line and healthy receivers.

Well I do like that Kellen has publicly stated they want to contend for the division. And kudos to Mickey for at least saying his goal is to win now.

Frankly, if when they restructure Carr, they'll have money to work with in FA so it could work. We'd be right back here next year but 10 wins is conceivable.

My offseason targets would be

Free Agents:
Becton for LG
Bolton LB from Chiefs

Draft:
Trade back from #9 to around 12 for another pick in the top 40

TE Tyler Warren
DE Walter Nolen
S Xavier Watts

02-27-2025, 08:16 PM	#11
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,971 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Contract numbers aside, I still don't get the negativity that Carr "stinks" or that he's sure to get injured. Coming into last season he started 159 out of 163 possible starts. Last season's 10 games was the only time he started less than 15 in his career. As for stinking, he had a 3 to 1 TD to interception percentage which is always respectable. His passer rating and completion percentage were both top ten and his sack percentage was the best in the league. All of this with what many here would argue was one of the worst offensive lines in the entire league while missing key pieces at other important offensive positions (see Olave and Shaheed). But you can't put the contract numbers aside. He's insanely over paid. His career 169 starts include just one playoff game—and no wins. His 14-13 record over the last two years (77-92 overall) and zero postseason success scream mediocrity, not the clutch gene of a top QB. Contract aside, the $40 million cap hit in 2025 is an albatross on the team's neck. Yes, the line and injuries hurt, but a $37.5 million-a-year QB should overcome that, not just survive. Carr’s not stinking by raw stats alone, but he’s not leading us to glory either—he shrivels when it counts, and his paycheck demands more. We need a QB who can win big games and inspire, not just pad stats behind a broken line. Sinner and darksoul35 like this.

02-28-2025, 06:46 AM	#12
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? My excitement for this upcoming season dissipated with this announcement. saintsfan1976, Rugby Saint II, Sinner and 1 others like this.

02-28-2025, 07:21 AM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 But you can't put the contract numbers aside. He's insanely over paid. His career 169 starts include just one playoff game—and no wins. His 14-13 record over the last two years (77-92 overall) and zero postseason success scream mediocrity, not the clutch gene of a top QB. Contract aside, the $40 million cap hit in 2025 is an albatross on the team's neck. Yes, the line and injuries hurt, but a $37.5 million-a-year QB should overcome that, not just survive. Carr’s not stinking by raw stats alone, but he’s not leading us to glory either—he shrivels when it counts, and his paycheck demands more. We need a QB who can win big games and inspire, not just pad stats behind a broken line. No. Carr isn't a QB that can take a poor team on his shoulders and take them to consistent wins. There's only a handful of those in the league today. His contract puts him in the middle of the pack in current contracts. With the Raiders he never had a defense that ranked above the bottom four in the league. With the Saints he's had nothing but what could be considered one of the worst offensive lines in the league and historic rashes of injuries across the spectrum. And, yes, I'd love to have one of those handful of elite QB's. And a great offensive line. And a team full of healthy players. But we don't now. Regardless of what Carr is getting paid right now I believe he's the best we have available. And I can see why Kellen Moore thinks the same. Moore doesn't care about contracts or how much a player is getting paid. All he wants to do is put the best players available currently on the field now. That's his job as a head coach. I am all for drafting another QB and hoping he can be a better option sooner than later. Neither Haener or Rattler have shown any signs of being that answer yet. Are there better QB's out there? Yes, but not available, that's for sure.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-28-2025, 07:26 AM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by rezburna My excitement for this upcoming season dissipated with this announcement. My excitement level for THIS season is tempered by what I see available beyond Carr as a best option for success in 2025.

02-28-2025, 08:25 AM	#15
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,039	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That makes one of us. Definitely. You are honestly the only one of us on here that JUST DON’T GET IT.
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02-28-2025, 09:04 AM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,465	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by Sinner Definitely. You are honestly the only one of us on here that JUST DON’T GET IT. Oh, I get it. I just know it is what it is and I make the best of it, as I do everything. It's all in how you choose to look at things. If somehow another Drew Brees or Tom Brady walked onto the scene I'd be volunteering to help load Carr's moving van, but that's not happening. I want exactly what Kellen Moore wants, to put the best viable option out on the field today and that is Carr given what we currently have on our roster today. I would dance with joy if we were to draft a QB that turns out to be starter quality and could take over in 2026. What you are wanting and *****ing about is something that is not available. It's you that does not get that.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-28-2025, 10:44 AM	#17
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,285	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? I get that Carr is the best option as of now, but I was excited that we could just start fresh, even if it is a younger, inexperienced qb at the helm. Clear the negative cap space and start with a young team. Build though the draft and add in experienced veterans where needed with the cap space while also retaining promising young players. I don’t think that’s a bad route to go. I was just hopeful with a new young coaching staff it would come with a young team with cleared cap space and that was exciting to me, and I’m sure many other fans Sinner likes this.

02-28-2025, 10:46 AM	#18
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,971 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I get that Carr is the best option, but I was excited that we could just start fresh, even if it is a younger, inexperienced qb at the helm. Clear the negative cap space and start with a young team. Build though the draft and add in experienced veterans where needed with the cap space while also retaining promising young players. I don’t think that’s a bad route to go. I was just hopeful with a new young coaching staff it would come with a young team with cleared cap space and that was exciting to me, and I’m sure many other fans Carr is only the QB due to his burdensome contract. Sinner likes this.

02-28-2025, 10:49 AM	#19
Mr.Riaton 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Broussard,La. Posts: 1,285	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Carr is only the QB due to his burdensome contract. I know. I just want it gone. It’s not like we’re in contention, just cut bait and start fresh. We still haven’t seen the full potential of Ratter with a good o line and healthy receivers. Sinner likes this.

02-28-2025, 11:09 AM	#20
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,971 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CARR “STARTING” AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR? Originally Posted by Mr.Riaton I know. I just want it gone. It’s not like we’re in contention, just cut bait and start fresh. We still haven’t seen the full potential of Ratter with a good o line and healthy receivers. Well I do like that Kellen has publicly stated they want to contend for the division. And kudos to Mickey for at least saying his goal is to win now. Frankly, if when they restructure Carr, they'll have money to work with in FA so it could work. We'd be right back here next year but 10 wins is conceivable. My offseason targets would be Free Agents: Becton for LG Bolton LB from Chiefs Draft: Trade back from #9 to around 12 for another pick in the top 40 TE Tyler Warren DE Walter Nolen S Xavier Watts