Derek Carr

WillSaints81 · 03-29-2025, 11:07 AM

Carr did speak with Moore back in late February and things were good. The Saints FO also told Carr they wanted him to stay.
There's another report a week or so later that Moore took the job with idea Carr would be starting.
There is also some other article that the Saints restructured Carr without his permission.
If that latter is true, then there could be something brewing on that front, but it doesn't jive with Cooks complimenting Carr and talking to him.
As for Ewers, I'm not that against him. If he can do the intermediate routes that's just as important. He can't be worse than the other backups we have. He's grown as a passer over the years. It's also speculated he fits Moore's system. Despite the naysayers, Carr is still sharp and keeps himself active so unless he wants out or is unhappy, he's the starting QB for the next two years.

AsylumGuido · 03-29-2025, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Carr did speak with Moore back in late February and things were good. The Saints FO also told Carr they wanted him to stay.
There's another report a week or so later that Moore took the job with idea Carr would be starting.
There is also some other article that the Saints restructured Carr without his permission.
If that latter is true, then there could be something brewing on that front, but it doesn't jive with Cooks complimenting Carr and talking to him.
As for Ewers, I'm not that against him. If he can do the intermediate routes that's just as important. He can't be worse than the other backups we have. He's grown as a passer over the years. It's also speculated he fits Moore's system. Despite the naysayers, Carr is still sharp and keeps himself active so unless he wants out or is unhappy, he's the starting QB for the next two years.

Carr's restructure was simply a conversion of base salary to signing bonus paid now and accounted for mostly later. Virtually all contracts these days have the stipulation that the club can do this without any subsequent "permission" required from the player. It actually works out to the advantage of the player. They get the same money up front.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-29-2025, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Carr did speak with Moore back in late February and things were good. The Saints FO also told Carr they wanted him to stay.
There's another report a week or so later that Moore took the job with idea Carr would be starting.
There is also some other article that the Saints restructured Carr without his permission.
If that latter is true, then there could be something brewing on that front, but it doesn't jive with Cooks complimenting Carr and talking to him.
As for Ewers, I'm not that against him. If he can do the intermediate routes that's just as important. He can't be worse than the other backups we have. He's grown as a passer over the years. It's also speculated he fits Moore's system. Despite the naysayers, Carr is still sharp and keeps himself active so unless he wants out or is unhappy, he's the starting QB for the next two years.

Nothing brewing on the restructure front. All contract restructuring doesn't require permission of the player. All it does is convert guaranteed salary for the season into a bonus that is payed to the player now. It let's the team spread that money into further cap years into the future, lowing the cap hit for this year. Standard Saints practice that drives people crazy because it ties the player to the team longer. It's the "kicking the can" that so infuriates so many fans.

The Saints build that flexibility into all their bigger contracts.

BTW welcome back.

SFIAH

iceshack149 · 03-29-2025, 05:59 PM

Saints' Derek Carr sought a trade early in 2025 offseason, New Orleans eyeing QB successor, per reports

The New Orleans Saints restructured Derek Carr's contract this offseason, all but ensuring the quarterback will remain with the team through the 2025 season. That doesn't mean all is well between the two sides. Carr sought a trade before reworking his deal, according to NewOrleans.Football, and his relationship with the Saints remains "tenuous at best" as the club scouts potential quarterbacks of the future.

We have no idea what's going on behind closed doors at the Saints facility but the fans don't like Carr and Carr doesn't appear to like the New Orleans Saints.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...5b3c1d44&ei=12

AsylumGuido · 03-29-2025, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Saints' Derek Carr sought a trade early in 2025 offseason, New Orleans eyeing QB successor, per reports

We have no idea what's going on behind closed doors at the Saints facility but the fans don't like Carr and Carr doesn't appear to like the New Orleans Saints.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...5b3c1d44&ei=12

I am a fan and I have no issue with Carr. And surmising that Carr doesn't like the Saints is a stretch.

iceshack149 · 03-29-2025, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I am a fan and I have no issue with Carr. And surmising that Carr doesn't like the Saints is a stretch.

NFL News: Derek Carr reportedly made shocking request to Saints regarding his future
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...re/ar-AA1BVf6h
Derek Carr and Saints relationship may be deteriorating amid latest report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...d=BingNewsSerp
A stretch?

Sinner · 03-29-2025, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

NFL News: Derek Carr reportedly made shocking request to Saints regarding his future
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...re/ar-AA1BVf6h
Derek Carr and Saints relationship may be deteriorating amid latest report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...d=BingNewsSerp
A stretch?

He was deteriorated on the Raiders bench. We paid big bucks to inherit the stench.

spkb25 · 03-30-2025, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

NFL News: Derek Carr reportedly made shocking request to Saints regarding his future
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...re/ar-AA1BVf6h
Derek Carr and Saints relationship may be deteriorating amid latest report
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...d=BingNewsSerp
A stretch?

Anyone with a half ounce of intellect should recognize if he stays it is due to his contract. If the Saints could unload him they would, even if they had to eat part of his contract.

BakoSaint · 03-29-2025, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Nothing brewing on the restructure front. All contract restructuring doesn't require permission of the player. All it does is convert guaranteed salary for the season into a bonus that is payed to the player now. It let's the team spread that money into further cap years into the future, lowing the cap hit for this year. Standard Saints practice that drives people crazy because it ties the player to the team longer. It's the "kicking the can" that so infuriates so many fans.

The Saints build that flexibility into all their bigger contracts.

BTW welcome back.

SFIAH

It’s possible Carr was in the same boat I was in about 1.5 years ago when I knew how restructures worked but didnt know they could be executed without the players consent and were built into the contract. At the time I feared Carr could extract a raise or additional guarantees from the Saints in return for signing on the dotted line to a restructure if the Saints got so cap broke or unwilling to rebuild that they had to restructure him no matter the cost. Everyone assumes that if Carr was upset the Saints could restructure without his signature that means he wanted to leave the team, but its equally possible he wanted a raise to $50-60mil/yr and a guaranteed money in 2027.

SmashMouth · 03-30-2025, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

It’s possible Carr was in the same boat I was in about 1.5 years ago when I knew how restructures worked but didnt know they could be executed without the players consent and were built into the contract. At the time I feared Carr could extract a raise or additional guarantees from the Saints in return for signing on the dotted line to a restructure if the Saints got so cap broke or unwilling to rebuild that they had to restructure him no matter the cost. Everyone assumes that if Carr was upset the Saints could restructure without his signature that means he wanted to leave the team, but its equally possible he wanted a raise to $50-60mil/yr and a guaranteed money in 2027.

More than likely the latter is true. Gotta swallow the tough paper until we don't have to. It's a shame, really. It's not as if there weren't opportunities to move on from him this year.

03-29-2025, 11:07 AM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Derek Carr Carr did speak with Moore back in late February and things were good. The Saints FO also told Carr they wanted him to stay. There's another report a week or so later that Moore took the job with idea Carr would be starting. There is also some other article that the Saints restructured Carr without his permission. If that latter is true, then there could be something brewing on that front, but it doesn't jive with Cooks complimenting Carr and talking to him. As for Ewers, I'm not that against him. If he can do the intermediate routes that's just as important. He can't be worse than the other backups we have. He's grown as a passer over the years. It's also speculated he fits Moore's system. Despite the naysayers, Carr is still sharp and keeps himself active so unless he wants out or is unhappy, he's the starting QB for the next two years.

03-29-2025, 12:27 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Derek Carr Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Carr did speak with Moore back in late February and things were good. The Saints FO also told Carr they wanted him to stay. There's another report a week or so later that Moore took the job with idea Carr would be starting. There is also some other article that the Saints restructured Carr without his permission. If that latter is true, then there could be something brewing on that front, but it doesn't jive with Cooks complimenting Carr and talking to him. As for Ewers, I'm not that against him. If he can do the intermediate routes that's just as important. He can't be worse than the other backups we have. He's grown as a passer over the years. It's also speculated he fits Moore's system. Despite the naysayers, Carr is still sharp and keeps himself active so unless he wants out or is unhappy, he's the starting QB for the next two years. Carr's restructure was simply a conversion of base salary to signing bonus paid now and accounted for mostly later. Virtually all contracts these days have the stipulation that the club can do this without any subsequent "permission" required from the player. It actually works out to the advantage of the player. They get the same money up front.

03-29-2025, 03:35 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: Derek Carr Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Carr did speak with Moore back in late February and things were good. The Saints FO also told Carr they wanted him to stay. There's another report a week or so later that Moore took the job with idea Carr would be starting. There is also some other article that the Saints restructured Carr without his permission. If that latter is true, then there could be something brewing on that front, but it doesn't jive with Cooks complimenting Carr and talking to him. As for Ewers, I'm not that against him. If he can do the intermediate routes that's just as important. He can't be worse than the other backups we have. He's grown as a passer over the years. It's also speculated he fits Moore's system. Despite the naysayers, Carr is still sharp and keeps himself active so unless he wants out or is unhappy, he's the starting QB for the next two years. Nothing brewing on the restructure front. All contract restructuring doesn't require permission of the player. All it does is convert guaranteed salary for the season into a bonus that is payed to the player now. It let's the team spread that money into further cap years into the future, lowing the cap hit for this year. Standard Saints practice that drives people crazy because it ties the player to the team longer. It's the "kicking the can" that so infuriates so many fans. The Saints build that flexibility into all their bigger contracts. BTW welcome back. SFIAH
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03-29-2025, 05:59 PM	#4
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,464 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Derek Carr Saints' Derek Carr sought a trade early in 2025 offseason, New Orleans eyeing QB successor, per reports The New Orleans Saints restructured Derek Carr's contract this offseason, all but ensuring the quarterback will remain with the team through the 2025 season. That doesn't mean all is well between the two sides. Carr sought a trade before reworking his deal, according to NewOrleans.Football, and his relationship with the Saints remains "tenuous at best" as the club scouts potential quarterbacks of the future. We have no idea what's going on behind closed doors at the Saints facility but the fans don't like Carr and Carr doesn't appear to like the New Orleans Saints. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...5b3c1d44&ei=12 SmashMouth likes this.

03-29-2025, 06:28 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Derek Carr Originally Posted by iceshack149 Saints' Derek Carr sought a trade early in 2025 offseason, New Orleans eyeing QB successor, per reports We have no idea what's going on behind closed doors at the Saints facility but the fans don't like Carr and Carr doesn't appear to like the New Orleans Saints. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...5b3c1d44&ei=12 I am a fan and I have no issue with Carr. And surmising that Carr doesn't like the Saints is a stretch.

03-29-2025, 08:22 PM	#6
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,464 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I am a fan and I have no issue with Carr. And surmising that Carr doesn't like the Saints is a stretch. NFL News: Derek Carr reportedly made shocking request to Saints regarding his future https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...re/ar-AA1BVf6h Derek Carr and Saints relationship may be deteriorating amid latest report https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...d=BingNewsSerp A stretch? turbo_dog, spkb25, saintsfan1976 and 1 others like this.

03-29-2025, 08:42 PM	#7
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,075	Re: Derek Carr Originally Posted by iceshack149 NFL News: Derek Carr reportedly made shocking request to Saints regarding his future https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...re/ar-AA1BVf6h Derek Carr and Saints relationship may be deteriorating amid latest report https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...d=BingNewsSerp A stretch? He was deteriorated on the Raiders bench. We paid big bucks to inherit the stench. spkb25, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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03-30-2025, 05:21 AM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Derek Carr Originally Posted by iceshack149 NFL News: Derek Carr reportedly made shocking request to Saints regarding his future https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...re/ar-AA1BVf6h Derek Carr and Saints relationship may be deteriorating amid latest report https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...d=BingNewsSerp A stretch? Anyone with a half ounce of intellect should recognize if he stays it is due to his contract. If the Saints could unload him they would, even if they had to eat part of his contract. Sinner likes this.

03-29-2025, 08:50 PM	#9
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,445	Re: Derek Carr Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Nothing brewing on the restructure front. All contract restructuring doesn't require permission of the player. All it does is convert guaranteed salary for the season into a bonus that is payed to the player now. It let's the team spread that money into further cap years into the future, lowing the cap hit for this year. Standard Saints practice that drives people crazy because it ties the player to the team longer. It's the "kicking the can" that so infuriates so many fans. The Saints build that flexibility into all their bigger contracts. BTW welcome back. SFIAH It’s possible Carr was in the same boat I was in about 1.5 years ago when I knew how restructures worked but didnt know they could be executed without the players consent and were built into the contract. At the time I feared Carr could extract a raise or additional guarantees from the Saints in return for signing on the dotted line to a restructure if the Saints got so cap broke or unwilling to rebuild that they had to restructure him no matter the cost. Everyone assumes that if Carr was upset the Saints could restructure without his signature that means he wanted to leave the team, but its equally possible he wanted a raise to $50-60mil/yr and a guaranteed money in 2027. SmashMouth likes this.
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03-30-2025, 06:20 AM	#10
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,188 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Derek Carr Originally Posted by BakoSaint It’s possible Carr was in the same boat I was in about 1.5 years ago when I knew how restructures worked but didnt know they could be executed without the players consent and were built into the contract. At the time I feared Carr could extract a raise or additional guarantees from the Saints in return for signing on the dotted line to a restructure if the Saints got so cap broke or unwilling to rebuild that they had to restructure him no matter the cost. Everyone assumes that if Carr was upset the Saints could restructure without his signature that means he wanted to leave the team, but its equally possible he wanted a raise to $50-60mil/yr and a guaranteed money in 2027. More than likely the latter is true. Gotta swallow the tough paper until we don't have to. It's a shame, really. It's not as if there weren't opportunities to move on from him this year. spkb25 and Sinner like this.