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SmashMouth 07-14-2025 08:55 PM

Time to trade Olave?
 

If this is the new WR market, I say let's get value while we can.

AsylumGuido 07-15-2025 07:52 AM

Re: Time to trade Olave?
 
If you are hoping to have an elite WR on your roster you'll have to pay the going rate.

voodooido 07-15-2025 08:15 AM

Re: Time to trade Olave?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1010530)
If you are hoping to have an elite WR on your roster you'll have to pay the going rate.

He is more broke down than he is elite. However, some people might see him that way, so a trade might be in order. Get something while you can.

AsylumGuido 07-15-2025 08:43 AM

Re: Time to trade Olave?
 
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 1010531)
He is more broke down than he is elite. However, some people might see him that way, so a trade might be in order. Get something while you can.

The team knows EXACTLY what they have in him far better than what we as fans think. Besides a single minor ankle sprain Olave has only suffered some very minor Grade 1 concussions in his pro career. There probably isn't a player in college or the NFL that hasn't experienced Grade 1 concussions. The league is being far more deliberate in tracking them these days for obvious reasons. This includes monitoring for even minor symptoms for days following certain hits.

If we had been in the running for anything last season he wouldn't have even been placed on IR. Under Dennis Allen we had several questionable IR assignments.

dizzle88 07-15-2025 12:55 PM

Re: Time to trade Olave?
 
Might be in the minority here, but never really seen Olave as elite.

2 just over 1000 yard seasons and highest TD count is 5, that's good production, but it isn't elite by any stretch of the imagination.

Seems a nice guy, but if another team wants to pay him, I wouldn't lose sleep over it, especially considering his concussion history and how it's probably better for his health to step away from football before it does serious damage.

stickman 07-15-2025 01:00 PM

Re: Time to trade Olave?
 
I think Olave brings a lot to the table as a WR, and will concede he really hasn't had consistent QB play. That said, like dizzle, I am worried about his concussion history and would not blame him if he decided to hang it up an preserve his health.

AsylumGuido 07-15-2025 03:21 PM

Re: Time to trade Olave?
 
It hasn't been until fairly recently that the league has even been labeling what Olave has experienced as a concussion. Grade 1, the most "severe" Olave has experienced, is the lowest graded level. It's basically shows no damage with all scans being well within the normal expectations. It is defined as having minor symptoms. That didn't even warrant a smelling salt which was broken out by trainers several times a game in the not too distant past. :D

By the way, there were 182 diagnosed concussions in the league last season alone. Believe it or not, that's the lowest number since the NFL even started tracking them in 2015. How about that? The league didn't even track them at all ten short years ago.

I could see the concern if Olave had experience Grade 2 or especially Grade 3.

Our friend here, Smash, recently posted about the "wussification" of the NFL recently. Being so concerned that one feels a player should be considering retiring because of a few of the very lowest level concussions is jumping with both feet forward into that same area that Smash had referred.

;)

dizzle88 07-15-2025 03:52 PM

Re: Time to trade Olave?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 1010538)
It hasn't been until fairly recently that the league has even been labeling what Olave has experienced as a concussion. Grade 1, the most "severe" Olave has experienced, is the lowest graded level. It's basically shows no damage with all scans being well within the normal expectations. It is defined as having minor symptoms. That didn't even warrant a smelling salt which was broken out by trainers several times a game in the not too distant past. :D

By the way, there were 182 diagnosed concussions in the league last season alone. Believe it or not, that's the lowest number since the NFL even started tracking them in 2015. How about that? The league didn't even track them at all ten short years ago.

I could see the concern if Olave had experience Grade 2 or especially Grade 3.

Our friend here, Smash, recently posted about the "wussification" of the NFL recently. Being so concerned that one feels a player should be considering retiring because of a few of the very lowest level concussions is jumping with both feet forward into that same area that Smash had referred.

;)

Whilst you are probably right about the level of concussions received, anyone can believe that repeated bouts of the same injury can't be a good thing. Medicine is always evolving, so maybe there just isn't a good enough set of procedures yet to see what 4 concussions in 2 years actually looks like for the individual in later years.

As for the last point, "IF" Olave did choose to hang the cleats up, I'd consider him a very bright individual for not worrying about what others think about NFL toughness levels and instead prioritizing his future health.

saintsfan1976 07-15-2025 04:13 PM

Re: Time to trade Olave?
 
Had he not missed time, Olave's stats would be virtually identical to Garrett Wilson.

His concussions are a serious issue.

The FA market in 26 is shallow, so you're trading him for another rookie on a lower contract.

AsylumGuido 07-15-2025 04:35 PM

Re: Time to trade Olave?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 1010539)
Whilst you are probably right about the level of concussions received, anyone can believe that repeated bouts of the same injury can't be a good thing. Medicine is always evolving, so maybe there just isn't a good enough set of procedures yet to see what 4 concussions in 2 years actually looks like for the individual in later years.

As for the last point, "IF" Olave did choose to hang the cleats up, I'd consider him a very bright individual for not worrying about what others think about NFL toughness levels and instead prioritizing his future health.

Once again, the grade of the concussion makes a tremendous difference. Ten years ago what ever limited symptoms that Olave experienced over two seasons wasn't even recognized as a concussion ten years ago by the league. Most diagnosed league concussions result in far more discernible damage and than anything Olave has experienced to date.

I would expect Olave is looking at developing generational wealth for his family. He cannot do that on his current contract. There are many professions that have repercussions that will affect the health of their workers for years to come with far less earning potentials. Look at our military. Or at construction. Or any other occupation under the sun with cancer causing rays.

These athletes do what they do for their love of the game and for what it can bring them and their families for, yes, generations if they stick to it. My paternal grandfather was a coal miner in southern Illinois while managing his farm on the side. He developed black lung like the vast majority of workers trying to make a living for his family. He knew of the risks but did what he needed and wanted to do.

My own father lost his life due to Agent Orange exposure during deployments for the Vietnam "conflict". His plane could have gone down at anytime over his countless missions, but it was what he did to raise his young family.

Please do not project what you feel these young men should choose to do while having the potential to bring home incredibly larger rewards for their families than our own fathers had when they sacrificed far more for far less.


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