Our current draft position

mjf150 · 11-15-2005, 05:45 PM

Yeah, but just because San Fran, Green Bay, & Tennessee already have a "QB of the Future", doesn't mean anything. In fact, it probably makes them more likely to trade down to get more picks. Leinart will not fall any further than 2 or 3, if that. Whether or not a team needs a QB will be irrellavent, because those teams that do not will have alot to gain from those who do want Lienart. The only guarantee the Saints have at Lienart is to finish with the worst record. Beyond that, nothing is for certain.

CheramieIII · 11-15-2005, 07:58 PM

I will guarantee you if we end up 6 or 7 we will either trade up to get Leinhart or trade down to get alot more picks. 6 or 7 this year is going to be a toss up between 20 different players and I wish we still had Randy and you all know who I be speakin bout. Don mak my gheto cum out!

Milians · 11-16-2005, 12:49 AM

Here is the irony of the saints situation. When we finally suck bad enough to get a top ten pick and need to draft a QB, the draft is full of stud linebackers. Any other year I would be chomping at the bit to draft AJ Hawk, Chad Greenway, Demeco Ryans, Thomas Howard, D'Qwell Jackson, or AJ Nicholson. Hell, what if Ernie Sims, Paul Posluszny, or Ahmad Brooks come out early. This draft could be loaded at LB. Hilarious. God has a twisted sense of humor. My perfect scenario would be for the saints to put Amac in, have him perform well, go with the best player available draft strategy, and pick up Reggie Bush. Only in my dreams (and my madden 2006 franchise).

mjf150 · 11-16-2005, 11:00 AM

We are going to have to do exceedingly bad in the standings because, despite what the link above shows in regards to strength of schedule, every mock draft shows that the Saints will pick behind the Titians, Jets, Cardinals, 49ers, Baltimore and probably the Texans, if they all end up with identical records. So it won't be "good" enough to end up 2-14 if they are also 2-14. Can you imagine being 2-14 and getting only the seventh pick in the draft? We can't win for losing.

Euphoria · 11-16-2005, 11:15 AM

Yeah, I see you got the SOS thing figured out but of course the SOS can change depending on how many wins those teams end up with at the end of the season. Thats why I find it fruitless to waste time on guessing every day, everyweek...

mjf150 · 11-16-2005, 11:21 AM

Is it based on the wins that your opponents put up in the current year or the previous year? I was under the impression it was for the previous year.

saintswhodi · 11-16-2005, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Yeah, I see you got the SOS thing figured out but of course the SOS can change depending on how many wins those teams end up with at the end of the season. Thats why I find it fruitless to waste time on guessing every day, everyweek...

It's also fruitless for someone who isn't interested in a particular discussion to tell others something they wanna discuss is fruitless when that person can simply avoid the discussion altogether.

mjf150 · 11-16-2005, 11:56 AM

Good point, SW.

saintswhodi · 11-16-2005, 12:10 PM

As far as your question about SOS mjf, I think it goes by records at the end of that year. Whoever played the easier schedule yet still had a bad record picks higher. The stronger your opponents SOS, the lower you pick if tied. The SOS you showed wa sjust a determination at thebeginning of the year, nased on last year, of who had the hardest schedule this season. It has nothing to do with the draft. So if we are tied with say Tenn, And Tenn's opponents have a .550 winning percentage, and ours have a .490 winning percentage, we would pick before them due to the fact we played an easier schedule, and still had a bad record.

Determining Order of Selection
ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft.

ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest.

ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage.

ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last.

ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.

ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.

ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.

ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule.

mjf150 · 11-16-2005, 01:03 PM

I agree with everything you just said except for this:

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

So if we are tied with say Tenn, And Tenn's opponents have a .550 winning percentage, and ours have a .490 winning percentage, we would pick before them due to the fact we played an easier schedule, and still had a bad record.

I believe it is just the opposite. The team that played the stronger schedule pick before the team that had it easier.

11-15-2005, 05:45 PM	#41
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 747	Yeah, but just because San Fran, Green Bay, & Tennessee already have a "QB of the Future", doesn't mean anything. In fact, it probably makes them more likely to trade down to get more picks. Leinart will not fall any further than 2 or 3, if that. Whether or not a team needs a QB will be irrellavent, because those teams that do not will have alot to gain from those who do want Lienart. The only guarantee the Saints have at Lienart is to finish with the worst record. Beyond that, nothing is for certain.
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11-16-2005, 12:49 AM	#43
Milians Registered Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 81	Here is the irony of the saints situation. When we finally suck bad enough to get a top ten pick and need to draft a QB, the draft is full of stud linebackers. Any other year I would be chomping at the bit to draft AJ Hawk, Chad Greenway, Demeco Ryans, Thomas Howard, D'Qwell Jackson, or AJ Nicholson. Hell, what if Ernie Sims, Paul Posluszny, or Ahmad Brooks come out early. This draft could be loaded at LB. Hilarious. God has a twisted sense of humor. My perfect scenario would be for the saints to put Amac in, have him perform well, go with the best player available draft strategy, and pick up Reggie Bush. Only in my dreams (and my madden 2006 franchise).
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11-16-2005, 11:00 AM	#44
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 747	We are going to have to do exceedingly bad in the standings because, despite what the link above shows in regards to strength of schedule, every mock draft shows that the Saints will pick behind the Titians, Jets, Cardinals, 49ers, Baltimore and probably the Texans, if they all end up with identical records. So it won't be "good" enough to end up 2-14 if they are also 2-14. Can you imagine being 2-14 and getting only the seventh pick in the draft? We can't win for losing.
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11-16-2005, 11:21 AM	#46
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 747	Is it based on the wins that your opponents put up in the current year or the previous year? I was under the impression it was for the previous year.
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11-16-2005, 11:46 AM	#47
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by Euphoria Yeah, I see you got the SOS thing figured out but of course the SOS can change depending on how many wins those teams end up with at the end of the season. Thats why I find it fruitless to waste time on guessing every day, everyweek... It's also fruitless for someone who isn't interested in a particular discussion to tell others something they wanna discuss is fruitless when that person can simply avoid the discussion altogether.

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11-15-2005, 07:58 PM	#42
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	I will guarantee you if we end up 6 or 7 we will either trade up to get Leinhart or trade down to get alot more picks. 6 or 7 this year is going to be a toss up between 20 different players and I wish we still had Randy and you all know who I be speakin bout. Don mak my gheto cum out!

11-16-2005, 11:15 AM	#45
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Yeah, I see you got the SOS thing figured out but of course the SOS can change depending on how many wins those teams end up with at the end of the season. Thats why I find it fruitless to waste time on guessing every day, everyweek...

11-16-2005, 11:56 AM	#48
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 747	Good point, SW.
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11-16-2005, 12:10 PM	#49
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	As far as your question about SOS mjf, I think it goes by records at the end of that year. Whoever played the easier schedule yet still had a bad record picks higher. The stronger your opponents SOS, the lower you pick if tied. The SOS you showed wa sjust a determination at thebeginning of the year, nased on last year, of who had the hardest schedule this season. It has nothing to do with the draft. So if we are tied with say Tenn, And Tenn's opponents have a .550 winning percentage, and ours have a .490 winning percentage, we would pick before them due to the fact we played an easier schedule, and still had a bad record. Determining Order of Selection ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft. ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest. ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage. ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last. ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage. ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure. ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage. ÃƒÂƒÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â€ÂšÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â¢ If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule.

11-16-2005, 01:03 PM	#50
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 747	I agree with everything you just said except for this: Originally Posted by saintswhodi So if we are tied with say Tenn, And Tenn's opponents have a .550 winning percentage, and ours have a .490 winning percentage, we would pick before them due to the fact we played an easier schedule, and still had a bad record. I believe it is just the opposite. The team that played the stronger schedule pick before the team that had it easier.
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