Peter King on Brooks' trade value

gandhi1007 · 12-13-2005, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintz08

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Hell, I would take a coke & a snickers for his sorry A*S!!!!! Just get him out of Black & Gold!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that less then my domestic 12 pack and future considerations ??

We have to keep our expectations on a trade w/ him involved very low. There's no way anyone in the league would give up a 12 pack for Brooks!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, & we can definately forget future considerations. By now, everyone knows Brooks is garbage.

TheDeuce · 12-13-2005, 11:14 PM

I included Deuce in this because we don't need to make the same mistake with him that we have with AB and wait too long before he's worth nothing.

I don't think we should be giving up on Deuce this early guys. He's still a young man. He can bounce back if he wants to; if he's willing to put in the work, and I think he will. When he's healthy he has proved he can be a top 10 back in this league. Don't write him off yet, I'm warning you

TheDeuce · 12-13-2005, 11:15 PM

And also, I'm pissed about Howard. I was so angry when we didn't get rid of him this offseason. I seriously think we could've gotten a first-rounder for him, and now we'll get nothing. DUMB

BlackandBlue · 12-14-2005, 12:43 AM

This is so funny.

On so many levels.

saintz08 · 12-14-2005, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

This is so funny.

On so many levels.

Well then , at what level do you find it funniest ???

saintz08 · 12-14-2005, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Originally Posted by saintz08

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Hell, I would take a coke & a snickers for his sorry A*S!!!!! Just get him out of Black & Gold!!!!!!!!!!!

Is that less then my domestic 12 pack and future considerations ??

We have to keep our expectations on a trade w/ him involved very low. There's no way anyone in the league would give up a 12 pack for Brooks!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, & we can definately forget future considerations. By now, everyone knows Brooks is garbage.

You could certainly be correct here .

The person who would trade for Brooks would need the 12 pack for himself .....

BlackandBlue · 12-14-2005, 12:59 AM

Crow needs to go! Crow needs to go!

How could you desecrate such a legendary movie?

saintz08 · 12-14-2005, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Crow needs to go! Crow needs to go!

How could you desecrate such a legendary movie?

Well I figured I have served enough , so why not .....

BrooksMustGo · 12-14-2005, 12:07 PM

I'm not a Brooks defender by any stretch and am looking forward of unloading him.

But let's keep our eye on the ball here everyone. Peter King is a moron.

Peter King is the guy who says things like:
1. Pick Danny Wuerffel of the redskins as your fantasy QB.
2. Pennington's 2 rotator cuff surgeries aren't going to slow him down, he'll be a great QB.
3. Joey Harrington will be ok with a change of scenery.
4. Maybe someone would be willing to give a 4rth for Brooks.

This makes no sense to me at all. Now I'll grant you that no one will give up their 1st rounder for him. But I don't think it's a crazy reach to get a 3rd this year and a conditional 3rd next year that could go up to a 2nd if he really plays well. Or even a 1st if he has a career season.

The sticking point is going to be what the Saints do with his contract. Teams won't trade anything if they are sure we cut him. So in order to have trade value we have to:
1. Be willing to pay him the huge cap number next year.
2. Restructure his deal and then trade him.
We just can't cut him or even give the impression that we are willing to cut him.

It's unfortunate that we've let it deteriorate to this point because it's possible we won't get any value at all for a guy who probably has 3-4 "productive" (by AB standards) years left in him.

But the fact is that King is more off his rocker than usual to think simultaneously a) that Chad Pennington has trade value after 2 shoulder surgeries in a position that requires him to throw the ball and b) that Brooks, who takes good care of his body, is only worth maybe a 4th.

yasoon · 12-14-2005, 01:01 PM

But the fact is that King is more off his rocker than usual to think simultaneously a) that Chad Pennington has trade value after 2 shoulder surgeries in a position that requires him to throw the ball and b) that Brooks, who takes good care of his body, is only worth maybe a 4th.

Very solid, sober opinions BMG. I agree. Many would accuse you of being a basher for your name, but you are stepping back and calling it straight. Kudos.

The one thing you missed? He put Kerry Collins on the short list. Collins, who couldn't handle this town when it was "normal". To me, that is enough to have your reporter's license taken away. The idea that a)we would want him or b) he would come back to the scene of his lowest career point is just moronic and devoid of rational thought.

I wouldn't cringe at Harrington. Hard to say with Carr...he gets sacked too much to really analyze his play. Schaub from Atl? Volek? A couple of names I would like to see, even though I don't really see us getting either of them.

Favre for a last year close to his family to throw 25 Tds and 25 picks? Hey....I would watch, but it wouldn't really get us anywhere.

12-13-2005, 09:12 PM	#11
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by saintz08 Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Hell, I would take a coke & a snickers for his sorry AS!!!!! Just get him out of Black & Gold!!!!!!!!!!! Is that less then my domestic 12 pack and future considerations ?? We have to keep our expectations on a trade w/ him involved very low. There's no way anyone in the league would give up a 12 pack for Brooks!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, & we can definately forget future considerations. By now, everyone knows Brooks is garbage.*

12-13-2005, 11:14 PM	#12
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	I included Deuce in this because we don't need to make the same mistake with him that we have with AB and wait too long before he's worth nothing. I don't think we should be giving up on Deuce this early guys. He's still a young man. He can bounce back if he wants to; if he's willing to put in the work, and I think he will. When he's healthy he has proved he can be a top 10 back in this league. Don't write him off yet, I'm warning you
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12-13-2005, 11:15 PM	#13
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	And also, I'm pissed about Howard. I was so angry when we didn't get rid of him this offseason. I seriously think we could've gotten a first-rounder for him, and now we'll get nothing. DUMB
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12-14-2005, 12:51 AM	#15
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue This is so funny. On so many levels. Well then , at what level do you find it funniest ???
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12-14-2005, 12:55 AM	#16
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Originally Posted by saintz08 Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Hell, I would take a coke & a snickers for his sorry AS!!!!! Just get him out of Black & Gold!!!!!!!!!!! Is that less then my domestic 12 pack and future considerations ?? We have to keep our expectations on a trade w/ him involved very low. There's no way anyone in the league would give up a 12 pack for Brooks!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, & we can definately forget future considerations. By now, everyone knows Brooks is garbage.* You could certainly be correct here . The person who would trade for Brooks would need the 12 pack for himself .....
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12-14-2005, 12:43 AM	#14
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	This is so funny. On so many levels.

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saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Crow needs to go! Crow needs to go! How could you desecrate such a legendary movie? Well I figured I have served enough , so why not .....
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12-14-2005, 12:07 PM	#19
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	I'm not a Brooks defender by any stretch and am looking forward of unloading him. But let's keep our eye on the ball here everyone. Peter King is a moron. Peter King is the guy who says things like: 1. Pick Danny Wuerffel of the redskins as your fantasy QB. 2. Pennington's 2 rotator cuff surgeries aren't going to slow him down, he'll be a great QB. 3. Joey Harrington will be ok with a change of scenery. 4. Maybe someone would be willing to give a 4rth for Brooks. This makes no sense to me at all. Now I'll grant you that no one will give up their 1st rounder for him. But I don't think it's a crazy reach to get a 3rd this year and a conditional 3rd next year that could go up to a 2nd if he really plays well. Or even a 1st if he has a career season. The sticking point is going to be what the Saints do with his contract. Teams won't trade anything if they are sure we cut him. So in order to have trade value we have to: 1. Be willing to pay him the huge cap number next year. 2. Restructure his deal and then trade him. We just can't cut him or even give the impression that we are willing to cut him. It's unfortunate that we've let it deteriorate to this point because it's possible we won't get any value at all for a guy who probably has 3-4 "productive" (by AB standards) years left in him. But the fact is that King is more off his rocker than usual to think simultaneously a) that Chad Pennington has trade value after 2 shoulder surgeries in a position that requires him to throw the ball and b) that Brooks, who takes good care of his body, is only worth maybe a 4th.

12-14-2005, 01:01 PM	#20
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	But the fact is that King is more off his rocker than usual to think simultaneously a) that Chad Pennington has trade value after 2 shoulder surgeries in a position that requires him to throw the ball and b) that Brooks, who takes good care of his body, is only worth maybe a 4th. Very solid, sober opinions BMG. I agree. Many would accuse you of being a basher for your name, but you are stepping back and calling it straight. Kudos. The one thing you missed? He put Kerry Collins on the short list. Collins, who couldn't handle this town when it was "normal". To me, that is enough to have your reporter's license taken away. The idea that a)we would want him or b) he would come back to the scene of his lowest career point is just moronic and devoid of rational thought. I wouldn't cringe at Harrington. Hard to say with Carr...he gets sacked too much to really analyze his play. Schaub from Atl? Volek? A couple of names I would like to see, even though I don't really see us getting either of them. Favre for a last year close to his family to throw 25 Tds and 25 picks? Hey....I would watch, but it wouldn't really get us anywhere.
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