Why pick a qb?

TheDeuce · 01-15-2006, 06:21 PM

True true. The majority of QBs in the league are white and pocket passers, and that could skew the success rates of pocket passers in comparison to scramblers. However, most guys who are great runners aren't very good passers. Guys like Donovan McNabb and Steve McNair in the late 90s, early 2000s can be very successful because they have the ability to run AND pass. But both of those guys were better passers (at least in terms of mechanics if not statistics) than VY when they came out of college. Maybe VY, with the help of an NFL coach, can drastically improve his passing. But if he can't, I don't think he'll be successful.

Tobias-Reiper · 01-15-2006, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Woa.. hold it right there...
Kyle Boller is a good QB???
Joey Harrington is a good QB???
Michael Vick is a good QB??? He is exciting to watch, and dangerous when he runs, but good QB???
Byron Leftwich?? I don't know if I would call him "good".. tough, sure... but "good"?? I don't know
Rex Grossman?? The guy has started 2 games in the NFL and he's good???
Culpepper is good??? Guess lofting balls to Randy Moss makes anyone good.

Last time I checked Kyle Boller is still a starting QB in the league. I still think Joey Harrington could become a good QB if a team put him in the right situation. Michael Vick is a good QB. He's a Pro-Bowler isn't he? YOu want to say he's not a good QB, by arguing that he isn't really even a QB? That's such a dumb argument that I don't even know what to say to it. He's never played any other position, so what do you want him to be? He's a quarterback tard, just accept it. And a little bit of success? I would say getting to the NFC championship successful, not to mention he's also made the playoffs in other years. Byron Leftwich isn't good? HAHAHAHAHA. Get a clue T-R. This guy is a top tier quarterback in this league. I guess being 9th in the league in passing efficiency isn't good? Yeah, that's really crappy. So you're wrong again. Rex Grossman is a good QB, he just has some injury problems. That's why he comes back from injury and immediately is handed the reigns of his team. Culpepper has been one of the top 3 QBs in the NFL the last few years. He had a bad year because his entire game plan changed. If it's sooooo easy to just throw it up to Randy Moss and make yourself successful, then why couldn't Collins do it? Oh yeah that's right, it takes a little more skill than that. So, guess what, you're wrong again. Culpepper had to make good throws, and he made them to all of his receivers, not just to Moss. Look what he did to us. That's at least 3 quarterbacks that you were wrong about. And you're going to try and weasel your way out of saying that Eli is good because "he doesn't have enough experience." Well he has 2 full years in the NFL and this year led his team to the playoffs, I would consider that successful.

Tard????

What, you don't know how to spell retard, retard??

You said "successful', not "could be good in the right situation", retard...

Oh, yeah, the Pro Bowl.. again, Trent Dilfer had a better QB rating than Vick... matter of fact, I count 24 QB's with better QB rating that 8-8 Vick, retard.

Tiki Barber lead the Giants, retard...

Byron Leftwich a top tier QB in the league??? Top of what??? Oh, passing efficiencvy.. yet Vick is 25... is Vick a top tier also??? Retard...

Get your dumb arguments straight before you go hiding personal insults in your posts, 'tard.

TheDeuce · 01-15-2006, 09:14 PM

Every single one of those #1, #2, or #3 picks are still in the NFL and still starting.

Did you read that? Because that's what I meant by successful. Try reading my posts before you go defining success however you want to.

Oh, yeah, the Pro Bowl.. again, Trent Dilfer had a better QB rating than Vick... matter of fact, I count 24 QB's with better QB rating that 8-8 Vick, retard.

Sure Vick's passing efficiency isn't great, but you can't measure every player by just one stat. That's not Vick's strong point. His strong point is game-changing. That's why he's had more playoff wins in his short career than this entire franchise. He's also been to a NFC championship, something that never happened for the Saints.

Tiki Barber lead the Giants, retard...

Tiki was there last year too, but it wasn't until Eli grew up this year that the Giants made it to the playoffs.

Byron Leftwich a top tier QB in the league??? Top of what??? Oh, passing efficiencvy.. yet Vick is 25... is Vick a top tier also??? Retard...

Yes Leftwich is a top quarterback in this league. He always leads his teams to winning records, and usually the playoffs.

So Vick, Eli, and Byron. What do they share in common? They have led their teams to the playoffs at some time in the last two years. They're still in the league, starting, and leading their teams to the playoffs. A QB CAN make a difference.

spkb25 · 01-15-2006, 09:15 PM

vince young same arm strength as vick not ina million years. vicks arm strength is pretty awesome

D-buck47 · 01-15-2006, 09:22 PM

Amen, Vick has a cannon. Young has one thing Vick doesn't though. Prototypical NFL Quarterback size

spkb25 · 01-15-2006, 09:24 PM

true that he does buck but he also isn't as fast as vick though either

D-buck47 · 01-15-2006, 09:31 PM

Agreed. Here's my theory on Young. It scares me the Saints may take him, but it scares me we may have to play him. Maybe the biggest high risk/high reward pick in the last ten years

spkb25 · 01-15-2006, 09:53 PM

quite posible.

Euphoria · 01-15-2006, 11:01 PM

Young is a big man can run and can throw better than vick.

spkb25 · 01-15-2006, 11:07 PM

that is just silly that he can run better then vick. nor can he throw better. maybe maybe mnore accurate but doesn't have nearly the arm strength. vick is 10 times faster

01-15-2006, 06:21 PM	#71
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: qb can be found in later rounds True true. The majority of QBs in the league are white and pocket passers, and that could skew the success rates of pocket passers in comparison to scramblers. However, most guys who are great runners aren't very good passers. Guys like Donovan McNabb and Steve McNair in the late 90s, early 2000s can be very successful because they have the ability to run AND pass. But both of those guys were better passers (at least in terms of mechanics if not statistics) than VY when they came out of college. Maybe VY, with the help of an NFL coach, can drastically improve his passing. But if he can't, I don't think he'll be successful.
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01-15-2006, 09:03 PM	#72
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: qb can be found in later rounds Originally Posted by TheDeuce Woa.. hold it right there... Kyle Boller is a good QB??? Joey Harrington is a good QB??? Michael Vick is a good QB??? He is exciting to watch, and dangerous when he runs, but good QB??? Byron Leftwich?? I don't know if I would call him "good".. tough, sure... but "good"?? I don't know Rex Grossman?? The guy has started 2 games in the NFL and he's good??? Culpepper is good??? Guess lofting balls to Randy Moss makes anyone good. Last time I checked Kyle Boller is still a starting QB in the league. I still think Joey Harrington could become a good QB if a team put him in the right situation. Michael Vick is a good QB. He's a Pro-Bowler isn't he? YOu want to say he's not a good QB, by arguing that he isn't really even a QB? That's such a dumb argument that I don't even know what to say to it. He's never played any other position, so what do you want him to be? He's a quarterback tard, just accept it. And a little bit of success? I would say getting to the NFC championship successful, not to mention he's also made the playoffs in other years. Byron Leftwich isn't good? HAHAHAHAHA. Get a clue T-R. This guy is a top tier quarterback in this league. I guess being 9th in the league in passing efficiency isn't good? Yeah, that's really crappy. So you're wrong again. Rex Grossman is a good QB, he just has some injury problems. That's why he comes back from injury and immediately is handed the reigns of his team. Culpepper has been one of the top 3 QBs in the NFL the last few years. He had a bad year because his entire game plan changed. If it's sooooo easy to just throw it up to Randy Moss and make yourself successful, then why couldn't Collins do it? Oh yeah that's right, it takes a little more skill than that. So, guess what, you're wrong again. Culpepper had to make good throws, and he made them to all of his receivers, not just to Moss. Look what he did to us. That's at least 3 quarterbacks that you were wrong about. And you're going to try and weasel your way out of saying that Eli is good because "he doesn't have enough experience." Well he has 2 full years in the NFL and this year led his team to the playoffs, I would consider that successful. Tard???? What, you don't know how to spell retard, retard?? You said "successful', not "could be good in the right situation", retard... Oh, yeah, the Pro Bowl.. again, Trent Dilfer had a better QB rating than Vick... matter of fact, I count 24 QB's with better QB rating that 8-8 Vick, retard. Tiki Barber lead the Giants, retard... Byron Leftwich a top tier QB in the league??? Top of what??? Oh, passing efficiencvy.. yet Vick is 25... is Vick a top tier also??? Retard... Get your dumb arguments straight before you go hiding personal insults in your posts, 'tard.
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01-15-2006, 09:14 PM	#73
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: Re: RE: qb can be found in later rounds Every single one of those #1, #2, or #3 picks are still in the NFL and still starting. Did you read that? Because that's what I meant by successful. Try reading my posts before you go defining success however you want to. Oh, yeah, the Pro Bowl.. again, Trent Dilfer had a better QB rating than Vick... matter of fact, I count 24 QB's with better QB rating that 8-8 Vick, retard. Sure Vick's passing efficiency isn't great, but you can't measure every player by just one stat. That's not Vick's strong point. His strong point is game-changing. That's why he's had more playoff wins in his short career than this entire franchise. He's also been to a NFC championship, something that never happened for the Saints. Tiki Barber lead the Giants, retard... Tiki was there last year too, but it wasn't until Eli grew up this year that the Giants made it to the playoffs. Byron Leftwich a top tier QB in the league??? Top of what??? Oh, passing efficiencvy.. yet Vick is 25... is Vick a top tier also??? Retard... Yes Leftwich is a top quarterback in this league. He always leads his teams to winning records, and usually the playoffs. So Vick, Eli, and Byron. What do they share in common? They have led their teams to the playoffs at some time in the last two years. They're still in the league, starting, and leading their teams to the playoffs. A QB CAN make a difference.
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01-15-2006, 09:15 PM	#74
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	RE: Re: RE: qb can be found in later rounds vince young same arm strength as vick not ina million years. vicks arm strength is pretty awesome

01-15-2006, 09:22 PM	#75
D-buck47 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 162	RE: Re: RE: qb can be found in later rounds Amen, Vick has a cannon. Young has one thing Vick doesn't though. Prototypical NFL Quarterback size
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01-15-2006, 09:24 PM	#76
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	RE: Re: RE: qb can be found in later rounds true that he does buck but he also isn't as fast as vick though either

01-15-2006, 09:31 PM	#77
D-buck47 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 162	RE: Re: RE: qb can be found in later rounds Agreed. Here's my theory on Young. It scares me the Saints may take him, but it scares me we may have to play him. Maybe the biggest high risk/high reward pick in the last ten years
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01-15-2006, 09:53 PM	#78
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	RE: Re: RE: qb can be found in later rounds quite posible.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	RE: Re: RE: qb can be found in later rounds Young is a big man can run and can throw better than vick.

01-15-2006, 11:07 PM	#80
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	RE: Re: RE: qb can be found in later rounds that is just silly that he can run better then vick. nor can he throw better. maybe maybe mnore accurate but doesn't have nearly the arm strength. vick is 10 times faster