the ideal situation

GoldenTomb · 01-19-2006, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

i figured out that my trade scenerio would be way over valued for us...
a more likely scenerio would be
our first and our 4th for their first 2nd and first next year...
2708 pts - 2810 pts
or

our first for their 1st and 2nd and 3rd this year, and 2nd next year
2600 pts - 2645 pts pretty close...

I would think that those numbers are just starting points. Shouldn't those numbers be dependent on overall consensus of a player's worth???? If Bush were at #2 this year, wouldn't that be worth more than the average #2 overall pick??? If that is the case, we should be able to ask of more from other teams.

pakowitz · 01-19-2006, 02:28 PM

i would say yes... but it would depend on the team who wants him and who else wants that player as well and what everyone is offering...the only teams i see in that general area wanting leinert would be Oakland maybe tennessee but i dont see them offering for a trade b/c they will take young just as easily...

BlackandBlue · 01-19-2006, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by GoldenTomb

Originally Posted by pakowitz

i figured out that my trade scenerio would be way over valued for us...
a more likely scenerio would be
our first and our 4th for their first 2nd and first next year...
2708 pts - 2810 pts
or

our first for their 1st and 2nd and 3rd this year, and 2nd next year
2600 pts - 2645 pts pretty close...

I would think that those numbers are just starting points. Shouldn't those numbers be dependent on overall consensus of a player's worth???? If Bush were at #2 this year, wouldn't that be worth more than the average #2 overall pick??? If that is the case, we should be able to ask of more from other teams.

I would hope that the player available would play some part as to the value, but usually, I think the figure is somewhere between 75-80% of all NFL teams use this value chart when contemplating trades.

Obviously Bush would command more than any other player in this draft, but I don't think there's too much of a drop-off with Young and Leinart, as there are always teams that are looking for the next great franchise QB.

AllSaints · 01-19-2006, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Winwin

with the #2 pick the saints trade with the oakland raiders. raiders are on the clock. saints get oaklands 1st round pick 7th overall, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick in the 2006 draft along with a conditional pick in 2007.

with the 7th overall selection, the saints select.

1)Jay Cutler-QB Vanderbilt

2) Claude Wroten- DT LSU

2) obtain from Oakland-Bobby Carpenter-LB Ohio State

2) saints trade the 4th obtain from Oakland, and their 3rd round pick for Thomas Howard LB-UTEP.

the rest of the picks involves offensiveline and special teams.(skyler green in the 3rd with a conditional pick).

Yeah thats a great idea

jergensl · 01-19-2006, 08:42 PM

cutler better have a stellar senior bowl and combine if he wants to be picked that high. or hope that some team is feeling incredibly lucky. cutler may turn out to be good, but right now he does not warrant anything inside the top 20.

01-19-2006, 02:20 PM	#21
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: the ideal situation Originally Posted by pakowitz i figured out that my trade scenerio would be way over valued for us... a more likely scenerio would be our first and our 4th for their first 2nd and first next year... 2708 pts - 2810 pts or our first for their 1st and 2nd and 3rd this year, and 2nd next year 2600 pts - 2645 pts pretty close... I would think that those numbers are just starting points. Shouldn't those numbers be dependent on overall consensus of a player's worth???? If Bush were at #2 this year, wouldn't that be worth more than the average #2 overall pick??? If that is the case, we should be able to ask of more from other teams.
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01-19-2006, 02:28 PM	#22
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: the ideal situation i would say yes... but it would depend on the team who wants him and who else wants that player as well and what everyone is offering...the only teams i see in that general area wanting leinert would be Oakland maybe tennessee but i dont see them offering for a trade b/c they will take young just as easily...

01-19-2006, 04:05 PM	#23
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: the ideal situation Originally Posted by GoldenTomb Originally Posted by pakowitz i figured out that my trade scenerio would be way over valued for us... a more likely scenerio would be our first and our 4th for their first 2nd and first next year... 2708 pts - 2810 pts or our first for their 1st and 2nd and 3rd this year, and 2nd next year 2600 pts - 2645 pts pretty close... I would think that those numbers are just starting points. Shouldn't those numbers be dependent on overall consensus of a player's worth???? If Bush were at #2 this year, wouldn't that be worth more than the average #2 overall pick??? If that is the case, we should be able to ask of more from other teams. I would hope that the player available would play some part as to the value, but usually, I think the figure is somewhere between 75-80% of all NFL teams use this value chart when contemplating trades. Obviously Bush would command more than any other player in this draft, but I don't think there's too much of a drop-off with Young and Leinart, as there are always teams that are looking for the next great franchise QB.
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01-19-2006, 04:42 PM	#24
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: the ideal situation Originally Posted by Winwin with the #2 pick the saints trade with the oakland raiders. raiders are on the clock. saints get oaklands 1st round pick 7th overall, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick in the 2006 draft along with a conditional pick in 2007. with the 7th overall selection, the saints select. 1)Jay Cutler-QB Vanderbilt 2) Claude Wroten- DT LSU 2) obtain from Oakland-Bobby Carpenter-LB Ohio State 2) saints trade the 4th obtain from Oakland, and their 3rd round pick for Thomas Howard LB-UTEP. the rest of the picks involves offensiveline and special teams.(skyler green in the 3rd with a conditional pick). Yeah thats a great idea

01-19-2006, 08:42 PM	#25
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	RE: the ideal situation cutler better have a stellar senior bowl and combine if he wants to be picked that high. or hope that some team is feeling incredibly lucky. cutler may turn out to be good, but right now he does not warrant anything inside the top 20.

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