the ideal situation

Winwin · 01-18-2006, 06:55 PM

with the #2 pick the saints trade with the oakland raiders. raiders are on the clock. saints get oaklands 1st round pick 7th overall, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick in the 2006 draft along with a conditional pick in 2007.

with the 7th overall selection, the saints select.

1)Jay Cutler-QB Vanderbilt

2) Claude Wroten- DT LSU

2) obtain from Oakland-Bobby Carpenter-LB Ohio State

2) saints trade the 4th obtain from Oakland, and their 3rd round pick for Thomas Howard LB-UTEP.

the rest of the picks involves offensiveline and special teams.(skyler green in the 3rd with a conditional pick).

Winwin · 01-18-2006, 06:57 PM

with this scenario, it also needs to be said that brooks takes a paycut to remain with the team and as the starter, bouman is given a greyhound bus pass.

pakowitz · 01-18-2006, 06:57 PM

not even close to being a good deal

pakowitz · 01-18-2006, 07:03 PM

NO #2 overall - 2600 pts
oaks #7 overall - 1500 pts
oaks 2nd rnd pick - 510 pts
oak 4th rnd pick - 88 pts

thats about 500 pts short not including your conditional pic... which u never said what rounds would be condtitional or what were the condidtions...........

Winwin · 01-18-2006, 07:04 PM

i was thinking in the range of a 2nd round pick in 2007.

pakowitz · 01-18-2006, 07:06 PM

if i remember correctly 1st round pics are worth 800, 2nd rounders 400... i know ive seen it online before but i cant find it to save my life....

GoldenTomb · 01-18-2006, 08:52 PM

That is a raw deal for us. Think about it we gave up a 1st, a 3rd, and the next years 1st for the number 5 draft pick when we picked Ricky Williams. We should definitely get more for trading the #2 overall. If we were to trade down I would want AJ Hawk or Ngata at that spot. If you aren't gonna get Leinart in the first you might as well wait until the second to get Jacobs. Hawk or Ngata would be too good to pass up. And I don't think it should be a given that Brooks is the starter if he's brought back. That's been the problem in the first place, he's had the spot handed to him for 5 straight years And since 6.5 mil is too much for someone that might not even be a starter, he should be cut.

Winwin · 01-18-2006, 08:59 PM

That is a raw deal for us. Think about it we gave up a 1st, a 3rd, and the next years 1st for the number 5 draft pick when we picked Ricky Williams. We should definitely get more for trading the #2 overall. If we were to trade down I would want AJ Hawk or Ngata at that spot. If you aren't gonna get Leinart in the first you might as well wait until the second to get Jacobs. Hawk or Ngata would be too good to pass up. And I don't think it should be a given that Brooks is the starter if he's brought back. That's been the problem in the first place, he's had the spot handed to him for 5 straight years And since 6.5 mil is too much for someone that might not even be a starter, he should be cut.

because our frontoffice was so stupid to give up what they gave up back then, now you want to hold every trade from that point forward to that standard of stupidity?

the trade i proposed, was very much a good deal and appropriate trading spots in the 1st round giving us the 7th pick overall, their 2nd and 4th in 2006 and their 2nd in 2007.

spkb25 · 01-18-2006, 09:02 PM

dude if we trade down to 10th can we get a second and thrid this year and another first next year? would that be nice or am i an idiot. don't hold back guys please.

BrooksMustGo · 01-18-2006, 09:04 PM

Pak,

Here's the link.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8358748

I'm in favor of a trading down scenario myself, but I'm holding out hope for something like the deal that Ditka made to go up and get Ricky Williams.

01-18-2006, 06:55 PM	#1
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	the ideal situation with the #2 pick the saints trade with the oakland raiders. raiders are on the clock. saints get oaklands 1st round pick 7th overall, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick in the 2006 draft along with a conditional pick in 2007. with the 7th overall selection, the saints select. 1)Jay Cutler-QB Vanderbilt 2) Claude Wroten- DT LSU 2) obtain from Oakland-Bobby Carpenter-LB Ohio State 2) saints trade the 4th obtain from Oakland, and their 3rd round pick for Thomas Howard LB-UTEP. the rest of the picks involves offensiveline and special teams.(skyler green in the 3rd with a conditional pick).
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	IN THE END THE THIRST ALWAYS WINS-DRACULA

01-18-2006, 06:57 PM	#2
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	RE: the ideal situation with this scenario, it also needs to be said that brooks takes a paycut to remain with the team and as the starter, bouman is given a greyhound bus pass.
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01-18-2006, 06:57 PM	#3
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	RE: the ideal situation not even close to being a good deal

01-18-2006, 07:03 PM	#4
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	RE: the ideal situation NO #2 overall - 2600 pts oaks #7 overall - 1500 pts oaks 2nd rnd pick - 510 pts oak 4th rnd pick - 88 pts thats about 500 pts short not including your conditional pic... which u never said what rounds would be condtitional or what were the condidtions...........

01-18-2006, 07:04 PM	#5
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	RE: the ideal situation i was thinking in the range of a 2nd round pick in 2007.
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01-18-2006, 07:06 PM	#6
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	RE: the ideal situation if i remember correctly 1st round pics are worth 800, 2nd rounders 400... i know ive seen it online before but i cant find it to save my life....

01-18-2006, 08:52 PM	#7
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	RE: the ideal situation That is a raw deal for us. Think about it we gave up a 1st, a 3rd, and the next years 1st for the number 5 draft pick when we picked Ricky Williams. We should definitely get more for trading the #2 overall. If we were to trade down I would want AJ Hawk or Ngata at that spot. If you aren't gonna get Leinart in the first you might as well wait until the second to get Jacobs. Hawk or Ngata would be too good to pass up. And I don't think it should be a given that Brooks is the starter if he's brought back. That's been the problem in the first place, he's had the spot handed to him for 5 straight years And since 6.5 mil is too much for someone that might not even be a starter, he should be cut.
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01-18-2006, 08:59 PM	#8
Winwin 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 332	RE: the ideal situation That is a raw deal for us. Think about it we gave up a 1st, a 3rd, and the next years 1st for the number 5 draft pick when we picked Ricky Williams. We should definitely get more for trading the #2 overall. If we were to trade down I would want AJ Hawk or Ngata at that spot. If you aren't gonna get Leinart in the first you might as well wait until the second to get Jacobs. Hawk or Ngata would be too good to pass up. And I don't think it should be a given that Brooks is the starter if he's brought back. That's been the problem in the first place, he's had the spot handed to him for 5 straight years And since 6.5 mil is too much for someone that might not even be a starter, he should be cut. because our frontoffice was so stupid to give up what they gave up back then, now you want to hold every trade from that point forward to that standard of stupidity? the trade i proposed, was very much a good deal and appropriate trading spots in the 1st round giving us the 7th pick overall, their 2nd and 4th in 2006 and their 2nd in 2007.
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01-18-2006, 09:02 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	RE: the ideal situation dude if we trade down to 10th can we get a second and thrid this year and another first next year? would that be nice or am i an idiot. don't hold back guys please.

01-18-2006, 09:04 PM	#10
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Pak, Here's the link. http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8358748 I'm in favor of a trading down scenario myself, but I'm holding out hope for something like the deal that Ditka made to go up and get Ricky Williams.