Hidden Agenda of NFL- Get Saints Out Soon

saintswhodi · 02-09-2006, 01:19 PM

Yeah, cause the best approach is to think it can't happen, and duck your head under the covers. Does that usually work? We ALL are gonna support this team no matter what, but guess what, that means diddly poo to an owner who was trying to move BEFORE the hurricane hit, and a league that's all about dollars. So please, by all means, if digging your head in the sand like there is no problem is your solution, have at it. I am not that naive. And you still missed the basic issue, SELLING SUITES. Got an answer for that? Who's gonna buy them? Seats aren't the problem, suites are. Solution? Benson also wanted a new stadium, and lfat out refused the renovated dome as an answer before the hurricane. Do you believe this problem somehow disappeared? Solution? If all you have is pie in the sky answers, I can guess the response so I don't need one. I am asking for real solutions to these issues, that were present pre-Katrina, but are even worse now.

FatiusJeebs · 02-09-2006, 01:33 PM

Wow....this is a tough call. Its the NFL cares about New Orleans vs. The NFL is giving New Orleans enough rope to hang itself with scenario. I for one kinda share Cassady's optimism...but Whodi does have a valid point. Whodi....do you think its possible for business to now look at New Orleans as a fresh new area to market in? Think about it....as you said.....many business have packed up and left. But other businesses are growing....do you think its possible that those businesses will see New Orleans as a territiroy in which they can come in and land major influence in? I know that this is a big "if" but...If you had a thriving business and see a city like New Orleans and realize that there are no major players in that area...wouldn't you go and give your business a shot over there? Right away you would become the major player in economic affairs. Shortly after....once you've attracted attention...the competition will come in and follow. This hurricane...may actually have an upside (although we would definitely rather not have had it at all). It looks like this city could be in for a serious rebirth. And maybe....just maybe....the NFL sees it too. I know I sound hopeful but.....I think its also possible. If anything needs to go first....its Nagin and Blanco!

Cassady37 · 02-09-2006, 04:38 PM

Well by all means, since you have the ear of big business in N.O. maybe you CAN change the economic outlook. I didn't know you had that much power since I haven't heard mentioned in the news lately that someone had come up with a soloution to a problem that has existed in N.O. for the last 50 years. I hear you talking about sticking your head in the sand, where exactly are you sticking yours? It seems to me your great insight is just as helpful as my soloution. But by all means, blow baby blow. I'm sure your that much closer to selling out those luxury suites from your keyboard, Donald.

ssmitty · 02-09-2006, 05:02 PM

whoodi, i believe before katrina, it was rumored benson had a buyer for a bil.............
if he opts out and pays the 80 mil, you don't think he's texas bound, do ya?
a lot of red tape there, and not league approval as far as i've read.......
so where? la? who's gonna buy then...........because last i heard, he does not have any intention of selling...........he could sell here...................but stated he has no intention of selling. please enlighten me....................i know it'll be for money, but where? smitty

if he can't go where he wants, why not sell?

CheramieIII · 02-09-2006, 08:47 PM

LMAO!!! If we draft Leinart, you think he will be on the bench? Wow. Also, why would the NFL be willing to give us two years, if they are asking for a discount on the out clause NEXT YEAR? Lastly if Benson does not take advantage of these out clauses in 2007, he is stuck until 2011 when the deal runs out, cause there are no more out clauses after that. You think he, his lawyers, and the league don't know that? Come on man.

Damn man, can you see the forest for the trees? You answered your own question and my worst fear. That we draft Leinart and he will sit the bench for a year, I don't care how good everyone thinks he is, he will sit the bench at least until our season is over once again and the NFL feels we can't support the team and move them to LA. Thanks for stating the obvious Whodi. You are good at that! I think they may give us 2 years just for PR reasons and nothing more and that is only if we don't win next season.

CheramieIII · 02-09-2006, 09:01 PM

A classic "The Saints ain't going nowhere" post. Wow. The problem is not the FANS not selling out the dome, the problem is SUITES ARE NOT BEING SOLD.

Where did you get that info from Whodi, post a link please? and where are your from? Benson doesn't get his subsidy from suites, he gets it from the state and the Saints make more money than most teams. Look up that link.

That's where the NFL makes their money, and that's where Benson was losing his. Before the hurricane, New Orleans had one fortune 500 company(or was it all of Louisiana?)

Why are the Saints one of the most profitable teams if Benson is not making any money? Come on Whodi are you pushing for them to actually move somewhere? and where might you want them to move?

Entergy, now I believe they are gone. So now not only does New Orleans not have that, a lot of the businesses have left, and won't be back anytime soon, if ever. So who is now gonna buy the few suites that were bought? Got an answer?

You got a link for that one? Post a link to that shiiiiiiit and I will answer that question. Milk does a body good.

I don't see people who are trying to rebuild their lives being able to shell out a few thousand dollars every few weeks to buy the suites, do you? Realistically, I don't see how we will fill the dome up for 8 games. I am praying to God we do, I am gonna do my part even as far away as I am, but to have your head in the clouds with some "we did it before" nonsense is ludicrous. We weren't totally devastated by a hurricane before either. We weren't at the deadline for the out clauses before either. It's a TOTALLY different situation, so the same attitude ain't gonna get it done. I hope there are very few fans who carry that attitude, and more with a sense of urgency about being proactive to keep this team in New Orleans. Wouldn't read too much into the league asking for a 20 mil discount? That's mind boggling someone could be so indifferent about such a clear signal of the league's intent should we fail to provide enough support.

A classic, "I want the Saints in San Antonio post". It's so obvious that you are still angry that the team didn't stay in San Antonio and where are you from again Whodi? Don't come here spouting that crap and trying to taint the Saints fans attitude about support. If you don't support them where they are then so be it but don't try to make it appear as if corporate support is all the Saints need when Benson has been making bank on the team being in New Orleans for years. Go look that link up and have a nice day.

FanNJ · 02-10-2006, 07:53 AM

A high draft pick that will be riding the Pine, or even if he plays for that matter will not in no way shape or form even sell out a High school stadium let alone the dome, unless a competitive winning team is fielded. I live in NJ where the jets are sold out every year because there is a 20 odd year waiting list to get tickets, but let me tell you that stradium was quite empty that Sunday night in December, why might you ask Because both teams SUCKED. Thats right I don't care if Payton Manning was playing for the Jets you will not see people wasting there day or Money at a game when the likly out come is a loss even when you have season or free tickets. (Add up the additionals Parking, Food, Drink + loosing = waste of time and Money). The only way the team is going to thrive is by fielding a winning team. If the teams winning, people will give up a weekend or two to travel to see them. The economics behind the whole subsidies were based on getting cash into NO. That was the driver. People comming to see games spend time and Money in NO. Right now not many people are willing to do that. But a garentee that if a winning TEAM is put together and fielded the econmics of the situation will keep them there for years to come. One draft pick will not do that, and anyone who thinks so is surely mistaken. With the out clause it reads between the lines win NOW garner support and advertising and promotional dollars from local and or National buisnesses and the team stays. And what National buisnesses would not pour some money in for a winning team for good PR.

saintswhodi · 02-10-2006, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Cassady37

Well by all means, since you have the ear of big business in N.O. maybe you CAN change the economic outlook. I didn't know you had that much power since I haven't heard mentioned in the news lately that someone had come up with a soloution to a problem that has existed in N.O. for the last 50 years. I hear you talking about sticking your head in the sand, where exactly are you sticking yours? It seems to me your great insight is just as helpful as my soloution. But by all means, blow baby blow. I'm sure your that much closer to selling out those luxury suites from your keyboard, Donald.

Um, slow or bad day? I'll guess the latter. You made my point EXACTLY. NOONE can buy the suites Benson has been crying about. NOONE. And now there are even less companies to attempt to buy them. Does 1+1=2 in Tenn? And you say noone has come up with a solution? EXACTLY!!! Holy crap. You took what I said, pretty much the exact same thing, and are still arguing. Priceless. Question? If the problem existed for 50 years, do you think it got better or worse with the hurricane? Hello? McFly? Guess noone's home/

saintswhodi · 02-10-2006, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

A classic "The Saints ain't going nowhere" post. Wow. The problem is not the FANS not selling out the dome, the problem is SUITES ARE NOT BEING SOLD.

Where did you get that info from Whodi, post a link please? and where are your from? Benson doesn't get his subsidy from suites, he gets it from the state and the Saints make more money than most teams. Look up that link.

That's where the NFL makes their money, and that's where Benson was losing his. Before the hurricane, New Orleans had one fortune 500 company(or was it all of Louisiana?)

Why are the Saints one of the most profitable teams if Benson is not making any money? Come on Whodi are you pushing for them to actually move somewhere? and where might you want them to move?

Entergy, now I believe they are gone. So now not only does New Orleans not have that, a lot of the businesses have left, and won't be back anytime soon, if ever. So who is now gonna buy the few suites that were bought? Got an answer?

You got a link for that one? Post a link to that shiiiiiiit and I will answer that question. Milk does a body good.

I don't see people who are trying to rebuild their lives being able to shell out a few thousand dollars every few weeks to buy the suites, do you? Realistically, I don't see how we will fill the dome up for 8 games. I am praying to God we do, I am gonna do my part even as far away as I am, but to have your head in the clouds with some "we did it before" nonsense is ludicrous. We weren't totally devastated by a hurricane before either. We weren't at the deadline for the out clauses before either. It's a TOTALLY different situation, so the same attitude ain't gonna get it done. I hope there are very few fans who carry that attitude, and more with a sense of urgency about being proactive to keep this team in New Orleans. Wouldn't read too much into the league asking for a 20 mil discount? That's mind boggling someone could be so indifferent about such a clear signal of the league's intent should we fail to provide enough support.

A classic, "I want the Saints in San Antonio post". It's so obvious that you are still angry that the team didn't stay in San Antonio and where are you from again Whodi? Don't come here spouting that crap and trying to taint the Saints fans attitude about support. If you don't support them where they are then so be it but don't try to make it appear as if corporate support is all the Saints need when Benson has been making bank on the team being in New Orleans for years. Go look that link up and have a nice day.

This whole post is ignorant. Ask around about where i'm from, then get back at me. You will look like the tool you sound like. But just to help you along:

Realistically, I don't see how we will fill the dome up for 8 games. I am praying to God we do, I am gonna do my part even as far away as I am, but to have your head in the clouds with some "we did it before" nonsense is ludicrous. We weren't totally devastated by a hurricane before either. We weren't at the deadline for the out clauses before either. It's a TOTALLY different situation, so the same attitude ain't gonna get it done. I hope there are very few fans who carry that attitude, and more with a sense of urgency about being proactive to keep this team in New Orleans.

You must have missed even this in this thread hey Cher? Get a clue.

Cassady37 · 02-10-2006, 11:04 AM

So you make your point by talking ignorance?? What, are you Billy's twin?? I never ask to be personally attacked by an obviously mentally and socially challenged closet-bully. I choose to be optimistic you chose to be an ignorance-spouting Saint's fan wannabe. I said the problem has existed for the last 50 years , with relocation and selling the dome out and market shares being the same crap spouted since before I can remember. Katrina didn't do anything to speed the process, it's always existed. This next few years are no different than any other year Benson has owned the team. If you want to talk football, talk football, I don't expect to be personally insulted by anyone, anywhere.

02-09-2006, 01:33 PM	#12
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Wow....this is a tough call. Its the NFL cares about New Orleans vs. The NFL is giving New Orleans enough rope to hang itself with scenario. I for one kinda share Cassady's optimism...but Whodi does have a valid point. Whodi....do you think its possible for business to now look at New Orleans as a fresh new area to market in? Think about it....as you said.....many business have packed up and left. But other businesses are growing....do you think its possible that those businesses will see New Orleans as a territiroy in which they can come in and land major influence in? I know that this is a big "if" but...If you had a thriving business and see a city like New Orleans and realize that there are no major players in that area...wouldn't you go and give your business a shot over there? Right away you would become the major player in economic affairs. Shortly after....once you've attracted attention...the competition will come in and follow. This hurricane...may actually have an upside (although we would definitely rather not have had it at all). It looks like this city could be in for a serious rebirth. And maybe....just maybe....the NFL sees it too. I know I sound hopeful but.....I think its also possible. If anything needs to go first....its Nagin and Blanco!
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	BINGO!!

02-09-2006, 05:02 PM	#14
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	whoodi, i believe before katrina, it was rumored benson had a buyer for a bil............. if he opts out and pays the 80 mil, you don't think he's texas bound, do ya? a lot of red tape there, and not league approval as far as i've read....... so where? la? who's gonna buy then...........because last i heard, he does not have any intention of selling...........he could sell here...................but stated he has no intention of selling. please enlighten me....................i know it'll be for money, but where? smitty if he can't go where he wants, why not sell?
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02-09-2006, 08:47 PM	#15
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,480 Blog Entries: 3	LMAO!!! If we draft Leinart, you think he will be on the bench? Wow. Also, why would the NFL be willing to give us two years, if they are asking for a discount on the out clause NEXT YEAR? Lastly if Benson does not take advantage of these out clauses in 2007, he is stuck until 2011 when the deal runs out, cause there are no more out clauses after that. You think he, his lawyers, and the league don't know that? Come on man. Damn man, can you see the forest for the trees? You answered your own question and my worst fear. That we draft Leinart and he will sit the bench for a year, I don't care how good everyone thinks he is, he will sit the bench at least until our season is over once again and the NFL feels we can't support the team and move them to LA. Thanks for stating the obvious Whodi. You are good at that! I think they may give us 2 years just for PR reasons and nothing more and that is only if we don't win next season.
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02-09-2006, 09:01 PM	#16
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,480 Blog Entries: 3	A classic "The Saints ain't going nowhere" post. Wow. The problem is not the FANS not selling out the dome, the problem is SUITES ARE NOT BEING SOLD. Where did you get that info from Whodi, post a link please? and where are your from? Benson doesn't get his subsidy from suites, he gets it from the state and the Saints make more money than most teams. Look up that link. That's where the NFL makes their money, and that's where Benson was losing his. Before the hurricane, New Orleans had one fortune 500 company(or was it all of Louisiana?) Why are the Saints one of the most profitable teams if Benson is not making any money? Come on Whodi are you pushing for them to actually move somewhere? and where might you want them to move? Entergy, now I believe they are gone. So now not only does New Orleans not have that, a lot of the businesses have left, and won't be back anytime soon, if ever. So who is now gonna buy the few suites that were bought? Got an answer? You got a link for that one? Post a link to that shiiiiiiit and I will answer that question. Milk does a body good. I don't see people who are trying to rebuild their lives being able to shell out a few thousand dollars every few weeks to buy the suites, do you? Realistically, I don't see how we will fill the dome up for 8 games. I am praying to God we do, I am gonna do my part even as far away as I am, but to have your head in the clouds with some "we did it before" nonsense is ludicrous. We weren't totally devastated by a hurricane before either. We weren't at the deadline for the out clauses before either. It's a TOTALLY different situation, so the same attitude ain't gonna get it done. I hope there are very few fans who carry that attitude, and more with a sense of urgency about being proactive to keep this team in New Orleans. Wouldn't read too much into the league asking for a 20 mil discount? That's mind boggling someone could be so indifferent about such a clear signal of the league's intent should we fail to provide enough support. A classic, "I want the Saints in San Antonio post". It's so obvious that you are still angry that the team didn't stay in San Antonio and where are you from again Whodi? Don't come here spouting that crap and trying to taint the Saints fans attitude about support. If you don't support them where they are then so be it but don't try to make it appear as if corporate support is all the Saints need when Benson has been making bank on the team being in New Orleans for years. Go look that link up and have a nice day.
	Golf and sex are about the only things you can enjoy without being good at them. Jimmy Demaret

02-10-2006, 07:53 AM	#17
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	A high draft pick that will be riding the Pine, or even if he plays for that matter will not in no way shape or form even sell out a High school stadium let alone the dome, unless a competitive winning team is fielded. I live in NJ where the jets are sold out every year because there is a 20 odd year waiting list to get tickets, but let me tell you that stradium was quite empty that Sunday night in December, why might you ask Because both teams SUCKED. Thats right I don't care if Payton Manning was playing for the Jets you will not see people wasting there day or Money at a game when the likly out come is a loss even when you have season or free tickets. (Add up the additionals Parking, Food, Drink + loosing = waste of time and Money). The only way the team is going to thrive is by fielding a winning team. If the teams winning, people will give up a weekend or two to travel to see them. The economics behind the whole subsidies were based on getting cash into NO. That was the driver. People comming to see games spend time and Money in NO. Right now not many people are willing to do that. But a garentee that if a winning TEAM is put together and fielded the econmics of the situation will keep them there for years to come. One draft pick will not do that, and anyone who thinks so is surely mistaken. With the out clause it reads between the lines win NOW garner support and advertising and promotional dollars from local and or National buisnesses and the team stays. And what National buisnesses would not pour some money in for a winning team for good PR.
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02-09-2006, 01:19 PM	#11
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Yeah, cause the best approach is to think it can't happen, and duck your head under the covers. Does that usually work? We ALL are gonna support this team no matter what, but guess what, that means diddly poo to an owner who was trying to move BEFORE the hurricane hit, and a league that's all about dollars. So please, by all means, if digging your head in the sand like there is no problem is your solution, have at it. I am not that naive. And you still missed the basic issue, SELLING SUITES. Got an answer for that? Who's gonna buy them? Seats aren't the problem, suites are. Solution? Benson also wanted a new stadium, and lfat out refused the renovated dome as an answer before the hurricane. Do you believe this problem somehow disappeared? Solution? If all you have is pie in the sky answers, I can guess the response so I don't need one. I am asking for real solutions to these issues, that were present pre-Katrina, but are even worse now.

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02-09-2006, 04:38 PM	#13
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Well by all means, since you have the ear of big business in N.O. maybe you CAN change the economic outlook. I didn't know you had that much power since I haven't heard mentioned in the news lately that someone had come up with a soloution to a problem that has existed in N.O. for the last 50 years. I hear you talking about sticking your head in the sand, where exactly are you sticking yours? It seems to me your great insight is just as helpful as my soloution. But by all means, blow baby blow. I'm sure your that much closer to selling out those luxury suites from your keyboard, Donald.

02-10-2006, 09:47 AM	#18
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by Cassady37 Well by all means, since you have the ear of big business in N.O. maybe you CAN change the economic outlook. I didn't know you had that much power since I haven't heard mentioned in the news lately that someone had come up with a soloution to a problem that has existed in N.O. for the last 50 years. I hear you talking about sticking your head in the sand, where exactly are you sticking yours? It seems to me your great insight is just as helpful as my soloution. But by all means, blow baby blow. I'm sure your that much closer to selling out those luxury suites from your keyboard, Donald. Um, slow or bad day? I'll guess the latter. You made my point EXACTLY. NOONE can buy the suites Benson has been crying about. NOONE. And now there are even less companies to attempt to buy them. Does 1+1=2 in Tenn? And you say noone has come up with a solution? EXACTLY!!! Holy crap. You took what I said, pretty much the exact same thing, and are still arguing. Priceless. Question? If the problem existed for 50 years, do you think it got better or worse with the hurricane? Hello? McFly? Guess noone's home/

02-10-2006, 09:47 AM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by CheramieIII A classic "The Saints ain't going nowhere" post. Wow. The problem is not the FANS not selling out the dome, the problem is SUITES ARE NOT BEING SOLD. Where did you get that info from Whodi, post a link please? and where are your from? Benson doesn't get his subsidy from suites, he gets it from the state and the Saints make more money than most teams. Look up that link. That's where the NFL makes their money, and that's where Benson was losing his. Before the hurricane, New Orleans had one fortune 500 company(or was it all of Louisiana?) Why are the Saints one of the most profitable teams if Benson is not making any money? Come on Whodi are you pushing for them to actually move somewhere? and where might you want them to move? Entergy, now I believe they are gone. So now not only does New Orleans not have that, a lot of the businesses have left, and won't be back anytime soon, if ever. So who is now gonna buy the few suites that were bought? Got an answer? You got a link for that one? Post a link to that shiiiiiiit and I will answer that question. Milk does a body good. I don't see people who are trying to rebuild their lives being able to shell out a few thousand dollars every few weeks to buy the suites, do you? Realistically, I don't see how we will fill the dome up for 8 games. I am praying to God we do, I am gonna do my part even as far away as I am, but to have your head in the clouds with some "we did it before" nonsense is ludicrous. We weren't totally devastated by a hurricane before either. We weren't at the deadline for the out clauses before either. It's a TOTALLY different situation, so the same attitude ain't gonna get it done. I hope there are very few fans who carry that attitude, and more with a sense of urgency about being proactive to keep this team in New Orleans. Wouldn't read too much into the league asking for a 20 mil discount? That's mind boggling someone could be so indifferent about such a clear signal of the league's intent should we fail to provide enough support. A classic, "I want the Saints in San Antonio post". It's so obvious that you are still angry that the team didn't stay in San Antonio and where are you from again Whodi? Don't come here spouting that crap and trying to taint the Saints fans attitude about support. If you don't support them where they are then so be it but don't try to make it appear as if corporate support is all the Saints need when Benson has been making bank on the team being in New Orleans for years. Go look that link up and have a nice day. This whole post is ignorant. Ask around about where i'm from, then get back at me. You will look like the tool you sound like. But just to help you along: Realistically, I don't see how we will fill the dome up for 8 games. I am praying to God we do, I am gonna do my part even as far away as I am, but to have your head in the clouds with some "we did it before" nonsense is ludicrous. We weren't totally devastated by a hurricane before either. We weren't at the deadline for the out clauses before either. It's a TOTALLY different situation, so the same attitude ain't gonna get it done. I hope there are very few fans who carry that attitude, and more with a sense of urgency about being proactive to keep this team in New Orleans. You must have missed even this in this thread hey Cher? Get a clue.

02-10-2006, 11:04 AM	#20
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	So you make your point by talking ignorance?? What, are you Billy's twin?? I never ask to be personally attacked by an obviously mentally and socially challenged closet-bully. I choose to be optimistic you chose to be an ignorance-spouting Saint's fan wannabe. I said the problem has existed for the last 50 years , with relocation and selling the dome out and market shares being the same crap spouted since before I can remember. Katrina didn't do anything to speed the process, it's always existed. This next few years are no different than any other year Benson has owned the team. If you want to talk football, talk football, I don't expect to be personally insulted by anyone, anywhere.