Looks like it could happen?

Euphoria · 02-26-2006, 12:23 PM

Our O-line and D can not be even compared to that of the top 6 teams in the league. You need a top notch line in order to win a SB not one that will 'get by' is 'ok' not saying our line is worse than that of Texas but it ain't much better either. We need a line to get our RB up to 2000 yards and protect our qb. Teams that are winning on a consistant level are teams with outstanding lines and good to great defenses. A qb comes into NO isn't going to change much. We need a freakin line and a D.

TheDeuce · 02-26-2006, 12:34 PM

Before last season our biggest asset was seen as our OLine (I'm remembering the SI NFL Preview article). I really think that bad coaching and lots of injuries led to a down year. That and a dumbed down playbook that prevented our guys from mixing up plays and keeping the defense on their heels. The opponents' D could seriously just key on a few things and they'd have the play guessed easily.

BlackandBlue · 02-26-2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

It is of my opinion that it didn't happen. Tweaked, yes, dummied up, no.

Ok then. So neither of us know, so we can't really knock the guy can we? :P

maybe. but it doesn't add up for me, so why not ask the question?

i remember a guy that signed up at this site about this time last year, who had some involvement in the Saints behind the scenes. For all i know, he could have been working at the executive level, or, something as trivial as being the 10-year old brother of some guy that works as a janitor for the superdome, who happened to come across a pretty confidential piece of information.
regardless, the validity of his claims were so heavily scrutinized by many here at the site, that he eventually left, not to return.
where's the line on what can and cannot be questioned on a forum?

gandhi1007 · 02-26-2006, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

It is of my opinion that it didn't happen. Tweaked, yes, dummied up, no.

Ok then. So neither of us know, so we can't really knock the guy can we? :P

maybe. but it doesn't add up for me, so why not ask the question?

i remember a guy that signed up at this site about this time last year, who had some involvement in the Saints behind the scenes. For all i know, he could have been working at the executive level, or, something as trivial as being the 10-year old brother of some guy that works as a janitor for the superdome, who happened to come across a pretty confidential piece of information.
regardless, the validity of his claims were so heavily scrutinized by many here at the site, that he eventually left, not to return.
where's the line on what can and cannot be questioned on a forum?

Being that I started this, I am working my butt off to get the actual interview. I've been googleing for it for 3 days now with no hits. However, I might have got lucky. The guy that made the interview, Rob Ryan, is now a DJ for a popular Houston radio station. I've emailed the station for possible information on it from Rob. Let's hope he emails me back so I can post it for you guys. Sorry I started this whole ruckus.

jergensl · 02-26-2006, 05:01 PM

euph,
our d was ranked 14th in the league last year with an offense that turned the ball over more than any other team. i think our d is very solid. as for our o line, i think we should improve our depth, but it is good enough to protect leinart. if our new coaching staff is smart, they will use a lot of quick short passes to build his confidence and keep the game manageable.

i think we can win even if our rb doesn't get 2000 yards. wow your arguments are crazy.

D_it_up · 02-26-2006, 05:39 PM

O-line's biggest weakness=Gandy
Leinart=Left-handed QB

What does this mean? Leinart will be able to see the DE's coming at him from that side. He won't be taking blind shots. He's good on his feet and could be able to get away from a pass rush on that side. With a full season on Jamaal Brown's belt, he should be good on his blindside. Improve the LT and RG positions, and the Leinart could very well be successful with a good enough receiving corps.

saintswhodi · 02-27-2006, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

It is of my opinion that it didn't happen. Tweaked, yes, dummied up, no.

Ok then. So neither of us know, so we can't really knock the guy can we? :P

maybe. but it doesn't add up for me, so why not ask the question?

i remember a guy that signed up at this site about this time last year, who had some involvement in the Saints behind the scenes. For all i know, he could have been working at the executive level, or, something as trivial as being the 10-year old brother of some guy that works as a janitor for the superdome, who happened to come across a pretty confidential piece of information.
regardless, the validity of his claims were so heavily scrutinized by many here at the site, that he eventually left, not to return.
where's the line on what can and cannot be questioned on a forum?

Wait, let's not get off track BNB. I NEVER said you couldn't question it, all I said was it shouldn't be outright dismissed cause the timeframe YOU are AWARE of when the playbook was scaled back or dumbed down or whatever, doesn't jive with Turley's comments. That's it. The guy was on the team, all I am asking is why he would make that up? You have EVERY right to question every statement on the board, I am just questioning your reasoning for questioning it cause NONE of us know if it's true or not. That's all I was saying. You said the timeframe doesn't fit, and I simply asked how do you know. That's all. Since neither of us know for sure if the playbook was scaled back for Brooks as early as Turley's years, I don't think his statements can just be dismissed out of hand, especially when there was a HUGE scaling back of the playbook a couple of years later. That's all. Question away my man.

BlackandBlue · 02-27-2006, 10:29 AM

I think he's psychotic. There may be some truth to some of the things he says, but isn't there always some loose portion of the truth hidden in our lies?

saintswhodi · 02-27-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

I think he's psychotic. There may be some truth to some of the things he says, but isn't there always some loose portion of the truth hidden in our lies?

You won't find me disagreeing with that at all.

BlackandBlue · 02-27-2006, 11:33 AM

Sorry I started this whole ruckus.

Not a ruckus at all. We're all here, in search of the truth. Back when he was let go, I remember several interviews that he did, they all seemed to be redundant, so I ignored them. Wasn't interested in reading about him continuously flaming the organization, so I probably missed that interview.

02-26-2006, 12:23 PM	#111
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Our O-line and D can not be even compared to that of the top 6 teams in the league. You need a top notch line in order to win a SB not one that will 'get by' is 'ok' not saying our line is worse than that of Texas but it ain't much better either. We need a line to get our RB up to 2000 yards and protect our qb. Teams that are winning on a consistant level are teams with outstanding lines and good to great defenses. A qb comes into NO isn't going to change much. We need a freakin line and a D.
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02-26-2006, 12:34 PM	#112
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Before last season our biggest asset was seen as our OLine (I'm remembering the SI NFL Preview article). I really think that bad coaching and lots of injuries led to a down year. That and a dumbed down playbook that prevented our guys from mixing up plays and keeping the defense on their heels. The opponents' D could seriously just key on a few things and they'd have the play guessed easily.
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02-26-2006, 12:55 PM	#113
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by BlackandBlue It is of my opinion that it didn't happen. Tweaked, yes, dummied up, no. Ok then. So neither of us know, so we can't really knock the guy can we? :P maybe. but it doesn't add up for me, so why not ask the question? i remember a guy that signed up at this site about this time last year, who had some involvement in the Saints behind the scenes. For all i know, he could have been working at the executive level, or, something as trivial as being the 10-year old brother of some guy that works as a janitor for the superdome, who happened to come across a pretty confidential piece of information. regardless, the validity of his claims were so heavily scrutinized by many here at the site, that he eventually left, not to return. where's the line on what can and cannot be questioned on a forum?
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02-26-2006, 01:08 PM	#114
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by BlackandBlue It is of my opinion that it didn't happen. Tweaked, yes, dummied up, no. Ok then. So neither of us know, so we can't really knock the guy can we? :P maybe. but it doesn't add up for me, so why not ask the question? i remember a guy that signed up at this site about this time last year, who had some involvement in the Saints behind the scenes. For all i know, he could have been working at the executive level, or, something as trivial as being the 10-year old brother of some guy that works as a janitor for the superdome, who happened to come across a pretty confidential piece of information. regardless, the validity of his claims were so heavily scrutinized by many here at the site, that he eventually left, not to return. where's the line on what can and cannot be questioned on a forum? Being that I started this, I am working my butt off to get the actual interview. I've been googleing for it for 3 days now with no hits. However, I might have got lucky. The guy that made the interview, Rob Ryan, is now a DJ for a popular Houston radio station. I've emailed the station for possible information on it from Rob. Let's hope he emails me back so I can post it for you guys. Sorry I started this whole ruckus.
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02-27-2006, 10:17 AM	#117
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by BlackandBlue It is of my opinion that it didn't happen. Tweaked, yes, dummied up, no. Ok then. So neither of us know, so we can't really knock the guy can we? :P maybe. but it doesn't add up for me, so why not ask the question? i remember a guy that signed up at this site about this time last year, who had some involvement in the Saints behind the scenes. For all i know, he could have been working at the executive level, or, something as trivial as being the 10-year old brother of some guy that works as a janitor for the superdome, who happened to come across a pretty confidential piece of information. regardless, the validity of his claims were so heavily scrutinized by many here at the site, that he eventually left, not to return. where's the line on what can and cannot be questioned on a forum? Wait, let's not get off track BNB. I NEVER said you couldn't question it, all I said was it shouldn't be outright dismissed cause the timeframe YOU are AWARE of when the playbook was scaled back or dumbed down or whatever, doesn't jive with Turley's comments. That's it. The guy was on the team, all I am asking is why he would make that up? You have EVERY right to question every statement on the board, I am just questioning your reasoning for questioning it cause NONE of us know if it's true or not. That's all I was saying. You said the timeframe doesn't fit, and I simply asked how do you know. That's all. Since neither of us know for sure if the playbook was scaled back for Brooks as early as Turley's years, I don't think his statements can just be dismissed out of hand, especially when there was a HUGE scaling back of the playbook a couple of years later. That's all. Question away my man.

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02-26-2006, 05:01 PM	#115
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	euph, our d was ranked 14th in the league last year with an offense that turned the ball over more than any other team. i think our d is very solid. as for our o line, i think we should improve our depth, but it is good enough to protect leinart. if our new coaching staff is smart, they will use a lot of quick short passes to build his confidence and keep the game manageable. i think we can win even if our rb doesn't get 2000 yards. wow your arguments are crazy.

02-26-2006, 05:39 PM	#116
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	O-line's biggest weakness=Gandy Leinart=Left-handed QB What does this mean? Leinart will be able to see the DE's coming at him from that side. He won't be taking blind shots. He's good on his feet and could be able to get away from a pass rush on that side. With a full season on Jamaal Brown's belt, he should be good on his blindside. Improve the LT and RG positions, and the Leinart could very well be successful with a good enough receiving corps.

02-27-2006, 10:29 AM	#118
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	I think he's psychotic. There may be some truth to some of the things he says, but isn't there always some loose portion of the truth hidden in our lies?

02-27-2006, 10:55 AM	#119
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue I think he's psychotic. There may be some truth to some of the things he says, but isn't there always some loose portion of the truth hidden in our lies? You won't find me disagreeing with that at all.

02-27-2006, 11:33 AM	#120
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Sorry I started this whole ruckus. Not a ruckus at all. We're all here, in search of the truth. Back when he was let go, I remember several interviews that he did, they all seemed to be redundant, so I ignored them. Wasn't interested in reading about him continuously flaming the organization, so I probably missed that interview.