Looks like it could happen?

FatiusJeebs · 02-08-2006, 11:44 AM

Why can't we do that? Why can't someone come in and try to make AB a better Quaterback? I'm sorry...I feel AB has the tools....I honestly think AB's talent could not flourish under the offemsive scheme he was under. He is better at short passing and rolling out. I think he will do better with a west coast type of deal. I would not waste time or money for Kitna. At all!!!!

gandhi1007 · 02-08-2006, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

Who's going to trade for AB knowing that they'll have to pay him $6M upfront? Ya'll are dreaming.

No way I'm dreaming. I guarantee you that there are coaches out there in the NFL that see a guy as naturally talented as Brooks is, and they say to themselves, "Haslett couldn't do it, but I'm a good coach and I can teach this guy to be a damn good QB." Somebody will take him in just because of how gifted he is talent-wise.

The only problem with that philosophy is that you cannot teach common sense. You either have it or you don't. And Brooks doesn't have it. Though extremely gifted with physical talent, he's about as sharp as a marble.

mattsprawls · 02-08-2006, 03:04 PM

Better Back up trade for David Garrard Jacksonville. But then agian thats a pipe dream...Seneca Wallace would be decent did you see what he did to us during preseason?????Just what little of him Ive seen he is pretty good

TheDeuce · 02-08-2006, 03:10 PM

The only problem with that philosophy is that you cannot teach common sense. You either have it or you don't. And Brooks doesn't have it. Though extremely gifted with physical talent, he's about as sharp as a marble.

That's true, but you also have to see that other coaches think that the only reason he couldn't "get it" in New Orleans was because of Haslett. They think that they can change this guy into a premiere QB because of all his tools. It's just like Shawn Bradley. The Mavs took on his monster contract because they saw this guy who was so blessed with a natural talent (height) that they figured that they could do what nobody else could: make him better. So....

Why can't we do that? Why can't someone come in and try to make AB a better Quaterback? I'm sorry...I feel AB has the tools....I honestly think AB's talent could not flourish under the offemsive scheme he was under. He is better at short passing and rolling out.

That's why I would be curious to see what Payton could do with AB. Hell, he turned Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, and Drew Bledsoe into 3000-yard passers, and none of those guys have half the athletic ability that AB has. This guy is good with QBs, and although its true that you can't teach somebody to be smart, you CAN coach them up and make them comfortable with a system (so they feel like the know it well).

That's why I'm opposed to getting Kitna. He's just not that good. ESPN graded him out at a 69, AB is a 73. Although I don't know how much faith I put in those rankings (even though for the most part I believe their pretty accurate), I still think that bringing Kitna here is a short-term fix that wouldn't even be a fix. It would just be making our team worse. But if we draft Leinart and don't keep AB, and we don't want Leinart to start right away (which I don't think would be that bad of a thing), then I guess we'd have to sign a guy like Kitna or Volek to a one-year deal to give Leinart a little learning time.

saintswhodi · 02-08-2006, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Why can't we do that? Why can't someone come in and try to make AB a better Quaterback? I'm sorry...I feel AB has the tools....I honestly think AB's talent could not flourish under the offemsive scheme he was under. He is better at short passing and rolling out. I think he will do better with a west coast type of deal. I would not waste time or money for Kitna. At all!!!!

AB isn't accurate enough for a short passing game. If you wanna see that, just take a gander at how often we threw deep. Unless it was a broken play, we did run a short passing offense. That's why you always saw joe, Donte, and Devery diving in the dirt for slant passes. AB doesn't know the meaning of touch, or a three step drop. He needs an offense that allows for deep patterns as the focus of the offense, slants, crosses, outs, ins, flies, whatever. No offense where it is based on short passing with timing and rhythm will EVER be successful with AB as the QB. EVER. I don't care what it takes, I want this bum gone. Get off the team. I'd take one of those monkeys from the careerbuilder.com commercials before I would wanna see him suiting up next year, in any capacity. Bye bye. I don't know if there is any offense that teaches a QB to be smarter and not regress after 6 years, but if there is one, let him go find it.

xan · 02-08-2006, 04:15 PM

Brooks has a bad attitude and he's going to provide neither leadership nor analytical direction for whomever takes over the starting role. He was given 5+ years of unwavering support by Haslett and TWO offensive coordinators plus two quarterback coaches. The AB experiment is an unqualified failure. Cut him now before there's any seed of unrest in the Brave New World lockerrom. Or, if there truly are suckers out there willing to put $6M upfront for a backup, get a trade;

If you were a new coach, would YOU put your career on the line for AB? Second chances are becoming harder to come by nowadays.

RDOX · 02-08-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

The only problem with that philosophy is that you cannot teach common sense. You either have it or you don't. And Brooks doesn't have it. Though extremely gifted with physical talent, he's about as sharp as a marble.

That's true, but you also have to see that other coaches think that the only reason he couldn't "get it" in New Orleans was because of Haslett. They think that they can change this guy into a premiere QB because of all his tools. It's just like Shawn Bradley. The Mavs took on his monster contract because they saw this guy who was so blessed with a natural talent (height) that they figured that they could do what nobody else could: make him better. So....

Why can't we do that? Why can't someone come in and try to make AB a better Quaterback? I'm sorry...I feel AB has the tools....I honestly think AB's talent could not flourish under the offemsive scheme he was under. He is better at short passing and rolling out.

That's why I would be curious to see what Payton could do with AB. Hell, he turned Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, and Drew Bledsoe into 3000-yard passers, and none of those guys have half the athletic ability that AB has. This guy is good with QBs, and although its true that you can't teach somebody to be smart, you CAN coach them up and make them comfortable with a system (so they feel like the know it well).

That's why I'm opposed to getting Kitna. He's just not that good. ESPN graded him out at a 69, AB is a 73. Although I don't know how much faith I put in those rankings (even though for the most part I believe their pretty accurate), I still think that bringing Kitna here is a short-term fix that wouldn't even be a fix. It would just be making our team worse. But if we draft Leinart and don't keep AB, and we don't want Leinart to start right away (which I don't think would be that bad of a thing), then I guess we'd have to sign a guy like Kitna or Volek to a one-year deal to give Leinart a little learning time.

Over and over the argument goes. The essential problem is that NO COACH in history can make Brooks understand that a Football TEAM is composed on more than just Brooks. He has a million dollar arm, a 10 cent brain, and a 2 cent heart. He's not a team player, nor is he coachable. Payton really didn't do that much with Quincy Carter (another QB with "GREAT POTENTIAL) because Carter wouldn't follow the system.

When you look at the former players, announcers, newspaper writers, general managers, and coaches the same story comes out about Brooks almost to a man. "Brooks is inconsistent, unreliable and a coach killer." Finney, Triplett, DeShazier, Lagarde, Mickles, Jim Henderson, Hokie Gajan, Bobby Hebert, Buddy Dildoberto, Kevin Foote, Jimmy Johnson, Terry Bradshaw, Phil Simms, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Michael Irwin, Mike Ditka, and numerous others have all said the same thing. Brooks lacks football sense, discipline, and leadership.

What does it take for folks to see that Aaron Brooks is not the man for this team any more. Whether or not it was poor coaching, poor managementl, or poor judgement in getting him in the first place, we'll never know. One thing we do know, with Brooks we were never better than 8-8 at best 9-7. I'm for getting Kitna for a year, let Leinhart learn the system under Payton, and cut him loose. While Kitna's "Stats" ain't real great, he did turn Cincy around. He played with a poor Seattle team and wasn't seen as great, but he isn't shabby either. Kitna did drop the ball in the Pitt game, but he also recovered the ball. More that we can say for "Slippery Balls" Brooks. So send "fumbles" on his way to laugh and yuk it up with some other poor coach who believes in his "Potential." I, for one, have had more than enough of Mr. Brooks.

BoudinSandwich · 02-08-2006, 04:33 PM

I'd love to take Kitna. Let's get rid of Bouman, too. He's just a clone of AB. We'll draft an awesome rookie , and while he develops, let Kitna be our certainty of atleast having someone that can play the position decently. We also need to continue to develop McPherson.

FanNJ · 02-08-2006, 04:41 PM

Please place the blame on the entire offense. The QB recievers ofensive line. None of it ran smooth this year or last. there were passes in the dirt and there were a ton of first down drops that were placed in beatifully also. It's funny how the two pro bowlers Horn and Bentley ( I know horn is not there this year by the way but he has been to 4) had come to the support of thier quarterback based upon comments they made at the end of the season. I think Brooks will be here for another season no matter what QB is drafted because of salary and because there is a QB minded coach at the helm. Like him or not he does have the ability to win games on skill, and he does have the ability to lead the team. That has been proven. This year is a wash and is past, I don't care how much people are payed I doubt very much that given the stress of this past season anyone would have performed to a level better than they did.

xan · 02-08-2006, 05:27 PM

No one's excusing the rest of the offense. Brooks' resume features too many confounding stories for just one person to claim. He's won a few games on skill, but he's lost far more for lack of brains and inconsistancy. Good for him if he can turn it around, but not in a Saints uniform.

If there's anything that I've learned in my life when running a business for success, cash is king. We are due to pay this waste of time $6 million ADDITIONAL as part of his contract. I could see having Leinart or Rothlesberger or Smith or Young as a $6 Million backup, but not Brooks. The team needs so much help at so many positions, it would be criminally stupid to tie it up in one position where your backup is a known failure.

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02-08-2006, 11:50 AM	#12
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by TheDeuce Who's going to trade for AB knowing that they'll have to pay him $6M upfront? Ya'll are dreaming. No way I'm dreaming. I guarantee you that there are coaches out there in the NFL that see a guy as naturally talented as Brooks is, and they say to themselves, "Haslett couldn't do it, but I'm a good coach and I can teach this guy to be a damn good QB." Somebody will take him in just because of how gifted he is talent-wise. The only problem with that philosophy is that you cannot teach common sense. You either have it or you don't. And Brooks doesn't have it. Though extremely gifted with physical talent, he's about as sharp as a marble.
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mattsprawls Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 14	Better Back up trade for David Garrard Jacksonville. But then agian thats a pipe dream...Seneca Wallace would be decent did you see what he did to us during preseason?????Just what little of him Ive seen he is pretty good
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02-08-2006, 03:10 PM	#14
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	The only problem with that philosophy is that you cannot teach common sense. You either have it or you don't. And Brooks doesn't have it. Though extremely gifted with physical talent, he's about as sharp as a marble. That's true, but you also have to see that other coaches think that the only reason he couldn't "get it" in New Orleans was because of Haslett. They think that they can change this guy into a premiere QB because of all his tools. It's just like Shawn Bradley. The Mavs took on his monster contract because they saw this guy who was so blessed with a natural talent (height) that they figured that they could do what nobody else could: make him better. So.... Why can't we do that? Why can't someone come in and try to make AB a better Quaterback? I'm sorry...I feel AB has the tools....I honestly think AB's talent could not flourish under the offemsive scheme he was under. He is better at short passing and rolling out. That's why I would be curious to see what Payton could do with AB. Hell, he turned Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, and Drew Bledsoe into 3000-yard passers, and none of those guys have half the athletic ability that AB has. This guy is good with QBs, and although its true that you can't teach somebody to be smart, you CAN coach them up and make them comfortable with a system (so they feel like the know it well). That's why I'm opposed to getting Kitna. He's just not that good. ESPN graded him out at a 69, AB is a 73. Although I don't know how much faith I put in those rankings (even though for the most part I believe their pretty accurate), I still think that bringing Kitna here is a short-term fix that wouldn't even be a fix. It would just be making our team worse. But if we draft Leinart and don't keep AB, and we don't want Leinart to start right away (which I don't think would be that bad of a thing), then I guess we'd have to sign a guy like Kitna or Volek to a one-year deal to give Leinart a little learning time.
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02-08-2006, 04:08 PM	#15
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Why can't we do that? Why can't someone come in and try to make AB a better Quaterback? I'm sorry...I feel AB has the tools....I honestly think AB's talent could not flourish under the offemsive scheme he was under. He is better at short passing and rolling out. I think he will do better with a west coast type of deal. I would not waste time or money for Kitna. At all!!!! AB isn't accurate enough for a short passing game. If you wanna see that, just take a gander at how often we threw deep. Unless it was a broken play, we did run a short passing offense. That's why you always saw joe, Donte, and Devery diving in the dirt for slant passes. AB doesn't know the meaning of touch, or a three step drop. He needs an offense that allows for deep patterns as the focus of the offense, slants, crosses, outs, ins, flies, whatever. No offense where it is based on short passing with timing and rhythm will EVER be successful with AB as the QB. EVER. I don't care what it takes, I want this bum gone. Get off the team. I'd take one of those monkeys from the careerbuilder.com commercials before I would wanna see him suiting up next year, in any capacity. Bye bye. I don't know if there is any offense that teaches a QB to be smarter and not regress after 6 years, but if there is one, let him go find it.

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02-08-2006, 04:15 PM	#16
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Brooks has a bad attitude and he's going to provide neither leadership nor analytical direction for whomever takes over the starting role. He was given 5+ years of unwavering support by Haslett and TWO offensive coordinators plus two quarterback coaches. The AB experiment is an unqualified failure. Cut him now before there's any seed of unrest in the Brave New World lockerrom. Or, if there truly are suckers out there willing to put $6M upfront for a backup, get a trade; If you were a new coach, would YOU put your career on the line for AB? Second chances are becoming harder to come by nowadays.

02-08-2006, 04:24 PM	#17
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Originally Posted by TheDeuce The only problem with that philosophy is that you cannot teach common sense. You either have it or you don't. And Brooks doesn't have it. Though extremely gifted with physical talent, he's about as sharp as a marble. That's true, but you also have to see that other coaches think that the only reason he couldn't "get it" in New Orleans was because of Haslett. They think that they can change this guy into a premiere QB because of all his tools. It's just like Shawn Bradley. The Mavs took on his monster contract because they saw this guy who was so blessed with a natural talent (height) that they figured that they could do what nobody else could: make him better. So.... Why can't we do that? Why can't someone come in and try to make AB a better Quaterback? I'm sorry...I feel AB has the tools....I honestly think AB's talent could not flourish under the offemsive scheme he was under. He is better at short passing and rolling out. That's why I would be curious to see what Payton could do with AB. Hell, he turned Quincy Carter, Vinny Testaverde, and Drew Bledsoe into 3000-yard passers, and none of those guys have half the athletic ability that AB has. This guy is good with QBs, and although its true that you can't teach somebody to be smart, you CAN coach them up and make them comfortable with a system (so they feel like the know it well). That's why I'm opposed to getting Kitna. He's just not that good. ESPN graded him out at a 69, AB is a 73. Although I don't know how much faith I put in those rankings (even though for the most part I believe their pretty accurate), I still think that bringing Kitna here is a short-term fix that wouldn't even be a fix. It would just be making our team worse. But if we draft Leinart and don't keep AB, and we don't want Leinart to start right away (which I don't think would be that bad of a thing), then I guess we'd have to sign a guy like Kitna or Volek to a one-year deal to give Leinart a little learning time. Over and over the argument goes. The essential problem is that NO COACH in history can make Brooks understand that a Football TEAM is composed on more than just Brooks. He has a million dollar arm, a 10 cent brain, and a 2 cent heart. He's not a team player, nor is he coachable. Payton really didn't do that much with Quincy Carter (another QB with "GREAT POTENTIAL) because Carter wouldn't follow the system. When you look at the former players, announcers, newspaper writers, general managers, and coaches the same story comes out about Brooks almost to a man. "Brooks is inconsistent, unreliable and a coach killer." Finney, Triplett, DeShazier, Lagarde, Mickles, Jim Henderson, Hokie Gajan, Bobby Hebert, Buddy Dildoberto, Kevin Foote, Jimmy Johnson, Terry Bradshaw, Phil Simms, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Michael Irwin, Mike Ditka, and numerous others have all said the same thing. Brooks lacks football sense, discipline, and leadership. What does it take for folks to see that Aaron Brooks is not the man for this team any more. Whether or not it was poor coaching, poor managementl, or poor judgement in getting him in the first place, we'll never know. One thing we do know, with Brooks we were never better than 8-8 at best 9-7. I'm for getting Kitna for a year, let Leinhart learn the system under Payton, and cut him loose. While Kitna's "Stats" ain't real great, he did turn Cincy around. He played with a poor Seattle team and wasn't seen as great, but he isn't shabby either. Kitna did drop the ball in the Pitt game, but he also recovered the ball. More that we can say for "Slippery Balls" Brooks. So send "fumbles" on his way to laugh and yuk it up with some other poor coach who believes in his "Potential." I, for one, have had more than enough of Mr. Brooks.
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02-08-2006, 04:33 PM	#18
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	I'd love to take Kitna. Let's get rid of Bouman, too. He's just a clone of AB. We'll draft an awesome rookie , and while he develops, let Kitna be our certainty of atleast having someone that can play the position decently. We also need to continue to develop McPherson.

02-08-2006, 04:41 PM	#19
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	Please place the blame on the entire offense. The QB recievers ofensive line. None of it ran smooth this year or last. there were passes in the dirt and there were a ton of first down drops that were placed in beatifully also. It's funny how the two pro bowlers Horn and Bentley ( I know horn is not there this year by the way but he has been to 4) had come to the support of thier quarterback based upon comments they made at the end of the season. I think Brooks will be here for another season no matter what QB is drafted because of salary and because there is a QB minded coach at the helm. Like him or not he does have the ability to win games on skill, and he does have the ability to lead the team. That has been proven. This year is a wash and is past, I don't care how much people are payed I doubt very much that given the stress of this past season anyone would have performed to a level better than they did.
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02-08-2006, 05:27 PM	#20
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	No one's excusing the rest of the offense. Brooks' resume features too many confounding stories for just one person to claim. He's won a few games on skill, but he's lost far more for lack of brains and inconsistancy. Good for him if he can turn it around, but not in a Saints uniform. If there's anything that I've learned in my life when running a business for success, cash is king. We are due to pay this waste of time $6 million ADDITIONAL as part of his contract. I could see having Leinart or Rothlesberger or Smith or Young as a $6 Million backup, but not Brooks. The team needs so much help at so many positions, it would be criminally stupid to tie it up in one position where your backup is a known failure.