Decision on Brooks Coming Soon

TheDeuce · 02-21-2006, 09:05 PM

Brooks needs to go. It's that simple. If you've seen the Saints play in the lsat four years, then you understand this. Our receivers drop a crap load of balls, but AB also throws a lot of bad balls. Leinart should come in and replace him. He's one of the most accurate QBs ever to play in college... I think Matt Leinart = The Anti-Brooks

Tobias-Reiper · 02-21-2006, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by xan

Hey T-R, I really need an escape goat. Where can I get one?!!! lol! I gotta create an Icon for that....

I'm with you on the assessment of dropped passes. ZH was credited with a dropped pass in the end zone against da bears that he had to literally jump as high as he could just to graze the ball with his middle finger - he was wide open and stationary. It's a shame that there's even a solitary erg of momentum for keeping that dumb bastard AB.

...oh, yeah, make fun of the spic's English...

... I don't see Payton kepping him, though... other than Haslett and Co., and Atlanta (because of Vick's legs ) I don't think there's a coaching staff that wants to go into the season with half the playbook other teams have.

FatiusJeebs · 02-22-2006, 02:22 PM

Ok...FINE!!! I see how it is. You are ALL off my buddy list! LOL. Seriously though you wanna get rid of Brooks? So be it. Personally, I know I am like one of his few defenders but if he needs a fresh start and that Saints need a fresh start then lets do it....but Lienart is not the answer. At least not the right answer.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-22-2006, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by AllSaints

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

I'm sorry guys. I'm just not so quick on the crucifiction bit as far as AB goes.
Pros: Mobile, quick, strong arm.
Cons: Butterfingers, not the best decision maker.

What if Coach payton can work something out and help AB?!?!?!?

My biggest concern, however, is not so much get rid of Brooks as it is keep the 6 million and get rid of Brooks. 6 million in the FA market is huge.

6 years and you still stilllllllllll think that AB can get better omg what have you been smokin? gessshhh

Question: Why do teams have coaches? If players could correct problems on their own, then why are coaches needed?

Brooks has spent his entire career in a single offensive system under two coaches: McCarthy and Sheppard. Both were his QB coach. Finally All of Brooks' starting years were spent under Haslett, who seemed to make it clear that Brooks was his guy no matter what.

Well there are new sherriffs and deputies in town. Payton is a QB coach who has made Testeverde, Collins, and Quicy Carter look like geniuses in the last 5 years. What's not to say that some proper coaching and proper motivation cannot get Brooks to play at a Pro Bowl level again. Put in the system and set your expectations. If Brooks meets them, then play him. If not then bench him, or cut him. See how he responds.

The issue with Brooks isn't about attitude, talent, mistakes, goofyness, or coaching. It's about money. The guy isn't worth $6 million per. The Saints cannot afford to pay him that money and make the changes necessary to make this team better.

At the end of the day, the money is going to determine the committment to Brooks. But I have a strong suspicion that Brooks' ego won't handle it properly. Instead of being humble, restructuring, taking the coaching from the new coaches, and proving he can be the starting QB, he'll trot out his overinflated ego and declare himself the next coming, and expect the Saints to pay the upcoming $6 million.

It won't happen. He'll be cut.

Any ideas what other teams will be offering free agent QBs this coming period?

SFIAH

FatiusJeebs · 02-22-2006, 02:42 PM

Hey SFIAH... are you copying me?!?!? LOL...great post...my thoughts exactly.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-22-2006, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Hey SFIAH... are you copying me?!?!? LOL...great post...my thoughts exactly.

Nope. I wake up and take a more moderate stance on Brooks every offseason.

That's refected here. He could have the opportunity to be the QB here. But not at $6 million. If he won't renegotiate to something cap friendly, then he has to go.

Note that has absolutely nothing to do with talent, fumblitis, throwing behind receivers, or grinning on the sidelines. The Saints can't afford a $8 million cap hit in the QB position.

OTOH if he done renegotiate to something like $3.5 million, then give him an equal shot.

SFIAH

Tobias-Reiper · 02-22-2006, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Originally Posted by AllSaints

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

I'm sorry guys. I'm just not so quick on the crucifiction bit as far as AB goes.
Pros: Mobile, quick, strong arm.
Cons: Butterfingers, not the best decision maker.

What if Coach payton can work something out and help AB?!?!?!?

My biggest concern, however, is not so much get rid of Brooks as it is keep the 6 million and get rid of Brooks. 6 million in the FA market is huge.

6 years and you still stilllllllllll think that AB can get better omg what have you been smokin? gessshhh

Question: Why do teams have coaches? If players could correct problems on their own, then why are coaches neede

Brooks has spent his entire career in a single offensive system under two coaches: McCarthy and Sheppard. Both were his QB coach. Finally All of Brooks' starting years were spent under Haslett, who seemed to make it clear that Brooks was his guy no matter what.

Well there are new sherriffs and deputies in town. Payton is a QB coach who has made Testeverde, Collins, and Quicy Carter look like geniuses in the last 5 years. What's not to say that some proper coaching and proper motivation cannot get Brooks to play at a Pro Bowl level again. Put in the system and set your expectations. If Brooks meets them, then play him. If not then bench him, or cut him. See how he responds.

The issue with Brooks isn't about attitude, talent, mistakes, goofyness, or coaching. It's about money. The guy isn't worth $6 million per. The Saints cannot afford to pay him that money and make the changes necessary to make this team better.

At the end of the day, the money is going to determine the committment to Brooks. But I have a strong suspicion that Brooks' ego won't handle it properly. Instead of being humble, restructuring, taking the coaching from the new coaches, and proving he can be the starting QB, he'll trot out his overinflated ego and declare himself the next coming, and expect the Saints to pay the upcoming $6 million.

It won't happen. He'll be cut.

Any ideas what other teams will be offering free agent QBs this coming period?

SFIAH

.. I think you are reaaaaallllyy stretching those comments about Payton making Testaverde, Carter, and Collins?? - was Payton the QB's coach with the Giants in 2000? - look like geniuses...

... and Payton is not the QB's coach, he is the HC. I really hope he doesn't waste his time trying to "develop" a QB whose been in the league since 1999.

... it just boggles the mind... a strong arm and some mobility a QB do not make...

... so what if he only gets 3 mil? Or 2 mil? How's that going to improve the QB play?

spkb25 · 02-22-2006, 05:38 PM

i wouldn't mind kitna but i could handle another year under aroon if he takes a huge pay cut and we are drafting a guy to take over the next season. maybe under payton he could do a little better. i doubt it to be honest though. the guy just lacks something and i am not even sure what it is because it isn't talent. maybe his mind is just umm...

and hey someone on here after deuce got hurt last year said we should trade for ricky. not sure who but um um glad we didn't

zachsaints52 · 02-22-2006, 09:29 PM

What if Brooks has an unbelieable year next year? Do we keep him, or just wait until he falters a little? I think if we make the O-line awesome, Brooks should stay. I would like to see Brooks begin to be good, because I think he will, if we get Brick in the first. I am not a big fan of Leinhart

Tobias-Reiper · 02-23-2006, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by zachsaints52

What if Brooks has an unbelieable year next year? Do we keep him, or just wait until he falters a little? I think if we make the O-line awesome, Brooks should stay. I would like to see Brooks begin to be good, because I think he will, if we get Brick in the first. I am not a big fan of Leinhart

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Are you going to stay home forever just because there's a chance a truck will run over you ?

02-21-2006, 09:05 PM	#21
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Brooks needs to go. It's that simple. If you've seen the Saints play in the lsat four years, then you understand this. Our receivers drop a crap load of balls, but AB also throws a lot of bad balls. Leinart should come in and replace him. He's one of the most accurate QBs ever to play in college... I think Matt Leinart = The Anti-Brooks
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02-21-2006, 10:41 PM	#22
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by xan Hey T-R, I really need an escape goat. Where can I get one?!!! lol! I gotta create an Icon for that.... I'm with you on the assessment of dropped passes. ZH was credited with a dropped pass in the end zone against da bears that he had to literally jump as high as he could just to graze the ball with his middle finger - he was wide open and stationary. It's a shame that there's even a solitary erg of momentum for keeping that dumb bastard AB. ...oh, yeah, make fun of the spic's English... ... I don't see Payton kepping him, though... other than Haslett and Co., and Atlanta (because of Vick's legs ) I don't think there's a coaching staff that wants to go into the season with half the playbook other teams have.

02-22-2006, 02:22 PM	#23
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Ok...FINE!!! I see how it is. You are ALL off my buddy list! LOL. Seriously though you wanna get rid of Brooks? So be it. Personally, I know I am like one of his few defenders but if he needs a fresh start and that Saints need a fresh start then lets do it....but Lienart is not the answer. At least not the right answer.
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02-22-2006, 02:32 PM	#24
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: RE: Re: RE: Decision on Brooks Coming Soon - Re-Titled Originally Posted by AllSaints Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs I'm sorry guys. I'm just not so quick on the crucifiction bit as far as AB goes. Pros: Mobile, quick, strong arm. Cons: Butterfingers, not the best decision maker. What if Coach payton can work something out and help AB?!?!?!? My biggest concern, however, is not so much get rid of Brooks as it is keep the 6 million and get rid of Brooks. 6 million in the FA market is huge. 6 years and you still stilllllllllll think that AB can get better omg what have you been smokin? gessshhh Question: Why do teams have coaches? If players could correct problems on their own, then why are coaches needed? Brooks has spent his entire career in a single offensive system under two coaches: McCarthy and Sheppard. Both were his QB coach. Finally All of Brooks' starting years were spent under Haslett, who seemed to make it clear that Brooks was his guy no matter what. Well there are new sherriffs and deputies in town. Payton is a QB coach who has made Testeverde, Collins, and Quicy Carter look like geniuses in the last 5 years. What's not to say that some proper coaching and proper motivation cannot get Brooks to play at a Pro Bowl level again. Put in the system and set your expectations. If Brooks meets them, then play him. If not then bench him, or cut him. See how he responds. The issue with Brooks isn't about attitude, talent, mistakes, goofyness, or coaching. It's about money. The guy isn't worth $6 million per. The Saints cannot afford to pay him that money and make the changes necessary to make this team better. At the end of the day, the money is going to determine the committment to Brooks. But I have a strong suspicion that Brooks' ego won't handle it properly. Instead of being humble, restructuring, taking the coaching from the new coaches, and proving he can be the starting QB, he'll trot out his overinflated ego and declare himself the next coming, and expect the Saints to pay the upcoming $6 million. It won't happen. He'll be cut. Any ideas what other teams will be offering free agent QBs this coming period? SFIAH
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02-22-2006, 02:42 PM	#25
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Decision on Brooks Coming Soon - Re-Titl Hey SFIAH... are you copying me?!?!? LOL...great post...my thoughts exactly.
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02-22-2006, 02:49 PM	#26
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Decision on Brooks Coming Soon - Re- Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Hey SFIAH... are you copying me?!?!? LOL...great post...my thoughts exactly. Nope. I wake up and take a more moderate stance on Brooks every offseason. That's refected here. He could have the opportunity to be the QB here. But not at $6 million. If he won't renegotiate to something cap friendly, then he has to go. Note that has absolutely nothing to do with talent, fumblitis, throwing behind receivers, or grinning on the sidelines. The Saints can't afford a $8 million cap hit in the QB position. OTOH if he done renegotiate to something like $3.5 million, then give him an equal shot. SFIAH

02-22-2006, 04:21 PM	#27
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: Decision on Brooks Coming Soon - Re-Titled Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Originally Posted by AllSaints Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs I'm sorry guys. I'm just not so quick on the crucifiction bit as far as AB goes. Pros: Mobile, quick, strong arm. Cons: Butterfingers, not the best decision maker. What if Coach payton can work something out and help AB?!?!?!? My biggest concern, however, is not so much get rid of Brooks as it is keep the 6 million and get rid of Brooks. 6 million in the FA market is huge. 6 years and you still stilllllllllll think that AB can get better omg what have you been smokin? gessshhh Question: Why do teams have coaches? If players could correct problems on their own, then why are coaches neede Brooks has spent his entire career in a single offensive system under two coaches: McCarthy and Sheppard. Both were his QB coach. Finally All of Brooks' starting years were spent under Haslett, who seemed to make it clear that Brooks was his guy no matter what. Well there are new sherriffs and deputies in town. Payton is a QB coach who has made Testeverde, Collins, and Quicy Carter look like geniuses in the last 5 years. What's not to say that some proper coaching and proper motivation cannot get Brooks to play at a Pro Bowl level again. Put in the system and set your expectations. If Brooks meets them, then play him. If not then bench him, or cut him. See how he responds. The issue with Brooks isn't about attitude, talent, mistakes, goofyness, or coaching. It's about money. The guy isn't worth $6 million per. The Saints cannot afford to pay him that money and make the changes necessary to make this team better. At the end of the day, the money is going to determine the committment to Brooks. But I have a strong suspicion that Brooks' ego won't handle it properly. Instead of being humble, restructuring, taking the coaching from the new coaches, and proving he can be the starting QB, he'll trot out his overinflated ego and declare himself the next coming, and expect the Saints to pay the upcoming $6 million. It won't happen. He'll be cut. Any ideas what other teams will be offering free agent QBs this coming period? SFIAH .. I think you are reaaaaallllyy stretching those comments about Payton making Testaverde, Carter, and Collins?? - was Payton the QB's coach with the Giants in 2000? - look like geniuses... ... and Payton is not the QB's coach, he is the HC. I really hope he doesn't waste his time trying to "develop" a QB whose been in the league since 1999. ... it just boggles the mind... a strong arm and some mobility a QB do not make... ... so what if he only gets 3 mil? Or 2 mil? How's that going to improve the QB play?
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02-22-2006, 05:38 PM	#28
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Decision on Brooks Coming Soon - Re-Titl i wouldn't mind kitna but i could handle another year under aroon if he takes a huge pay cut and we are drafting a guy to take over the next season. maybe under payton he could do a little better. i doubt it to be honest though. the guy just lacks something and i am not even sure what it is because it isn't talent. maybe his mind is just umm... and hey someone on here after deuce got hurt last year said we should trade for ricky. not sure who but um um glad we didn't
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02-22-2006, 09:29 PM	#29
zachsaints52 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Abingdon, Virginia Posts: 522	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Decision on Brooks Coming Soon - Re-Titl What if Brooks has an unbelieable year next year? Do we keep him, or just wait until he falters a little? I think if we make the O-line awesome, Brooks should stay. I would like to see Brooks begin to be good, because I think he will, if we get Brick in the first. I am not a big fan of Leinhart

02-23-2006, 06:09 AM	#30
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Decision on Brooks Coming Soon - Re- Originally Posted by zachsaints52 What if Brooks has an unbelieable year next year? Do we keep him, or just wait until he falters a little? I think if we make the O-line awesome, Brooks should stay. I would like to see Brooks begin to be good, because I think he will, if we get Brick in the first. I am not a big fan of Leinhart What if you leave your house today and get run over by a truck? Are you going to stay home forever just because there's a chance a truck will run over you ?