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TheDeuce · 02-23-2006, 04:31 PM

What are you talking about whodi....go to "anything".com and see that Cutler's value has him projected as the third pick now instead of the ninth. Every board I see...SI...ESPN....the list goes on...Cutler's name right now is uber hot. People are realizing that he has the tools and the capacity to do it. To me thats more important that having knowledge of e pro-style offense. QB's can always learn schemes....but natural talents??? You know that you don't just earn those.

Have you been drinking? Cutler is still THIRD. Third does NOT equal first. Show me one draft board where Cutler is ranked higher than Leinart. There's a reason why he's third, and Leinart's first. HE'S NOT AS GOOD. He's not as good mentally, and he's not as good physically. He has worse accuracy and worse decision-making skills. Hmmmm.... bad decisions, that sounds like somebody I know. *cough* *AB* *cough*

If you seriously think Cutler is better than Leinart then there's something seriously wrong with you and your "information." If you actually read ANYTHING about Leinart besides just listening to some of the garbage being posted here, you'd understand that Leinart's arm strength is severly underrated. Besides, his arm trouble never seemed to give him that much trouble in college. I remember him being one of the most accurate deep-ball throwers in college. Hmmmmm.....

TheDeuce · 02-23-2006, 04:34 PM

O and I forgot to mention. The only reason that people are talking about Cutler and not Leinart and Young is because Cutler has been doing things like the Senior Bowl. He's been in the media spotlight because he's doing stuff. Leinart and Young don't need to. Just wait until Leinart and Young do their personal workouts, then you will see less attention on Cutler and more on the best QBs in this draft (Leinart and Young).

By the way, did you by any chance watch the Senior Bowl? Cutler was AWFUL. Yeah, I'm really impressed.

FanNJ · 02-23-2006, 05:08 PM

How do you define awful? I watched the second half of the senior bowl and two consecutive passes were perfectly thrown balls dropped by recievers for first downs. The touchdown pass was a bullet under pressure. Sure he uderthrough a halfback screen but that was it. I did miss the first half so I will not comment on the interception, or any of the first portion of the game, and this is all while working with different recievers than a season of drills will do.
Leinart did not play because he felt he did not have to and ritefuly so, but I also suspect without his oline and recievers he would have fared no better. And I have read Alot on both and seen many games with both to come to a decision that one has more talent and ability than the other, and that good decision making that the other exhibited will be exposed when under real defensive pressure. Floating balls in the NFL and leaving a reciever exposed will not last long in the NFL with safties and corners that can hit and cover.
But your in one camp and thats fine, time will tell.

AllSaints · 02-23-2006, 05:09 PM

mmmmmmmmm Cutler no thanx.........

Leinart yes please..............

LivnaLieTimay · 02-24-2006, 10:48 AM

This whole Cutler situation is reminding me of 2 years ago with Phillip Rivers, Big Ben and Eli. Big Ben and Eli were the two top guys until Rivers impressed some people in the senior bowl and jumped over Ben and into the top 5. Rivers was originally a mid first rounder who became the flavor of the week at the senior bowl and rode that all the way to the #4 pick in the draft. Cutler was originally a mid first rounder who impressed some at the senior bowl and is now a projected top 5 pick. Now let's see here, Eli led his team to the playoffs in his first year as starter and Ben won the super bowl in his second year as starter, while Rivers is still riding the bench. There's no way the chargers would have Eli or Ben on the bench for 2 full years. Rivers wasn't as good as the other 2 and SD realizes they made a mistake cause they got caught up in the hype. Similarly, Cutler isn't nearly as good as Leinart (or Young) and I'm not allowing myself to get caught up in the hype. Cutler was rated a mid first rounder for a reason just like Rivers was, they just aren't top 5 picks. Lets not make that mistake. Draft Leinart and we'll finally have a franchise qb!

FatiusJeebs · 02-24-2006, 10:56 AM

I never said he was first Duece. I did say his name is flying through the ranks. You know why he won't be projected as first or second? Easy....it is still impossible to think that Vanderbilt could have produced such an athelete. In short when you play for Vandy you have to struggle in the all powerful SEC. No Rose Bowl, No Championships, Hiesman my foot. Yet he managed to make that crappy school respectable this year. What I do know is...they had him at 9th. He is now third. Unfortunately he has more to prove than Lienart and Young.

TheDeuce · 02-24-2006, 12:21 PM

Cutler all of a sudden possess just as much value as Leinart

That sounds like saying he's first. Anyways, he still completed only 59% of his passes this year. That's down from his junior year. I'll take Leinart who's "uber" accurate.

02-23-2006, 04:31 PM	#71
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	What are you talking about whodi....go to "anything".com and see that Cutler's value has him projected as the third pick now instead of the ninth. Every board I see...SI...ESPN....the list goes on...Cutler's name right now is uber hot. People are realizing that he has the tools and the capacity to do it. To me thats more important that having knowledge of e pro-style offense. QB's can always learn schemes....but natural talents??? You know that you don't just earn those. Have you been drinking? Cutler is still THIRD. Third does NOT equal first. Show me one draft board where Cutler is ranked higher than Leinart. There's a reason why he's third, and Leinart's first. HE'S NOT AS GOOD. He's not as good mentally, and he's not as good physically. He has worse accuracy and worse decision-making skills. Hmmmm.... bad decisions, that sounds like somebody I know. cough AB cough If you seriously think Cutler is better than Leinart then there's something seriously wrong with you and your "information." If you actually read ANYTHING about Leinart besides just listening to some of the garbage being posted here, you'd understand that Leinart's arm strength is severly underrated. Besides, his arm trouble never seemed to give him that much trouble in college. I remember him being one of the most accurate deep-ball throwers in college. Hmmmmm.....
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02-23-2006, 04:34 PM	#72
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	O and I forgot to mention. The only reason that people are talking about Cutler and not Leinart and Young is because Cutler has been doing things like the Senior Bowl. He's been in the media spotlight because he's doing stuff. Leinart and Young don't need to. Just wait until Leinart and Young do their personal workouts, then you will see less attention on Cutler and more on the best QBs in this draft (Leinart and Young). By the way, did you by any chance watch the Senior Bowl? Cutler was AWFUL. Yeah, I'm really impressed.
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02-23-2006, 05:08 PM	#73
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	How do you define awful? I watched the second half of the senior bowl and two consecutive passes were perfectly thrown balls dropped by recievers for first downs. The touchdown pass was a bullet under pressure. Sure he uderthrough a halfback screen but that was it. I did miss the first half so I will not comment on the interception, or any of the first portion of the game, and this is all while working with different recievers than a season of drills will do. Leinart did not play because he felt he did not have to and ritefuly so, but I also suspect without his oline and recievers he would have fared no better. And I have read Alot on both and seen many games with both to come to a decision that one has more talent and ability than the other, and that good decision making that the other exhibited will be exposed when under real defensive pressure. Floating balls in the NFL and leaving a reciever exposed will not last long in the NFL with safties and corners that can hit and cover. But your in one camp and thats fine, time will tell.
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02-24-2006, 10:56 AM	#76
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	I never said he was first Duece. I did say his name is flying through the ranks. You know why he won't be projected as first or second? Easy....it is still impossible to think that Vanderbilt could have produced such an athelete. In short when you play for Vandy you have to struggle in the all powerful SEC. No Rose Bowl, No Championships, Hiesman my foot. Yet he managed to make that crappy school respectable this year. What I do know is...they had him at 9th. He is now third. Unfortunately he has more to prove than Lienart and Young.
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02-24-2006, 12:21 PM	#77
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Cutler all of a sudden possess just as much value as Leinart That sounds like saying he's first. Anyways, he still completed only 59% of his passes this year. That's down from his junior year. I'll take Leinart who's "uber" accurate.
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LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,498	This whole Cutler situation is reminding me of 2 years ago with Phillip Rivers, Big Ben and Eli. Big Ben and Eli were the two top guys until Rivers impressed some people in the senior bowl and jumped over Ben and into the top 5. Rivers was originally a mid first rounder who became the flavor of the week at the senior bowl and rode that all the way to the #4 pick in the draft. Cutler was originally a mid first rounder who impressed some at the senior bowl and is now a projected top 5 pick. Now let's see here, Eli led his team to the playoffs in his first year as starter and Ben won the super bowl in his second year as starter, while Rivers is still riding the bench. There's no way the chargers would have Eli or Ben on the bench for 2 full years. Rivers wasn't as good as the other 2 and SD realizes they made a mistake cause they got caught up in the hype. Similarly, Cutler isn't nearly as good as Leinart (or Young) and I'm not allowing myself to get caught up in the hype. Cutler was rated a mid first rounder for a reason just like Rivers was, they just aren't top 5 picks. Lets not make that mistake. Draft Leinart and we'll finally have a franchise qb!