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Leinart to the Jet's, food for thought:

Jets | Rumor alert: team moving up to No. 1
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:53:02 -0800

Vic Carucci, of NFL.com, reports one rumor making the rounds at the NFL Combine was the New York Jets trading with the Houston Texans to acquire the No. 1 pick so they can select a quarterback to replace QB Chad Pennington. As the rumor goes, the Jets supposedly covet former USC QB Matt Leinart.

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Texans | Team exploring trading No. 1 pick
Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:54:01 -0800

Cliff Brunt, of the Associated Press, Houston Texans general manager Charley Casserly said Sunday, Feb. 25, that the Texans have been talking to teams about possibly trading the first pick in the 2006 NFL Draft. "There's clearly players at the top of this draft that are marquee players," Casserly said. "Players that are impact players, players that are going to go to the Pro Bowl, players that are going to sell tickets. We're going to get offers for this pick. We've already had discussions with teams. I think there's value in our pick."

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This is the only way I'd be for trading down. If the Texans trade down with the Jets, then the Saints should offer up their pick. This way they can go after Cutler, Ferguson, or Hawk. It would be our luck to get screwed out of Leinart.

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... well, then the Saints get to pick between Reggie Bush, AJ Hawk, or Cutler...
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I've been having a very strong feeling about this... and trading down with the Jets make the most logical sense. Jets need a eventual successor to Martin and Bush is the perfect candidate. Chad is currently re-working his contract to stay with the Jets because the open market isn't going to be great for him. The Texans most important need is a left tackle... Carr, Davis, and Johnson are already set at the skill positions. They need to get someone to protect Carr so he can make plays.

Honestly, I don't like Young going in the top 10... but I'm just going to leave him there anyways. I had him pegged as a 2nd/3rd rounder before the USC game but I'm just going to follow the bandwagon on him. I guess potential outshines a lot of things.

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Been out of the loop, but I do know that free agency will have some talent at the QB position this year.
I know the Jets original plan was to have Jordan replace Martin, but they ran out of time, and Jordan is now showcasing his skills with Oakland. Will they pick his successor with the 1st overall pick, or, secure some talent at the QB, a position where the current starter has 25 games started under his belt.....over the past three years?

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If the Jets ARE going for a Leinart then that'd be a reason to trade up, as would going for Bush. But at the fourth spot one of the "big three" QBs will still be available, so I don't see it happening. The Jets know they have to worry about QB (now) & RB (soon) so go for the QB this draft and look for an RB in the later rounds and/or next year.

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yeah that lil RB out of LSU is impressing the scouts.

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I agree, Martin may have 1-3 years left, but the problem is Bush. A runningback like this does not come along very often. I wish the decision was cut & dry, but I don't think it is.

If we lose out on Lienart, it will be the 4th straight year I will be......I don't want to say disappointed in the 1st round picks, I had the Saints picking Brown in my mock last year, and I thought Smith was the best value the Saints have ever acquired in a 1st round pick (Roaf included).....let's just say I'll be apathetic, losing out on my personal choice.

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I'll be pissed if we don't get Leinart. But, the ONLY way that the Saints could make up for it would be by trading out of #2, getting Hawk, and a couple of other picks. Then I guess we could sign some veteran QB.... but a young rookie franchise QB is so exciting and exactly what this team needs.

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agreed

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If we do miss out on Leinart... I fully expect us to draft Cutler. We NEED a quarterback... having AB for another year without a successor is unacceptable.

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How many years ya think Leinart will be our QB 6 maybe if he can survive concusions because we can't protect him???

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So how about we just draft a LT with our first pick... then a center with our second... a guard with our 4th... a backup right tackle with our 5th, and a couple of guards for depth with the 6th and 7th rounders.

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Getting Brick and then Mongold in the second so you can move Bently to Guard would vastly improve our OL.

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Funny how no has mentioned the possibility of us drafting Bush with the second pick if leinart is gone. Everyone seems to be convinced we'll either go QB or OL. Why not take the best player available and Bush would be filling a "need" position for us. Look at it this way....McAllister has been hurt every year since his rookie year and a high quality RB such as Bush could mean one of the two could become trade bait in another year or so. Is this also a possibility or is everyone here convinced we want a qb.

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I'm not convinced we need a quarterback, infact we need impact players on both sides of the ball. Line backers, a center more than likley, a guard and a left tackle, not to mention a running back as I am in complete agreement that Duce may not be back to form(God I hope he is), a kicker and a quarterback that can push out the incumbent.

The question is will Reggie last long in the NFL as a full time running back? He is not built like Barry Sanders, although Warrick Dunn has lasted a few years??? Good Question.

This years draft is pretty deep with backs and if we trade down to aquire more picks I'm sure we take a back, but if Bush is availible at number 2 do the Saints take him. I'm not certain they do.

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I agree with Fan. Truth is QB is not our top priority. It is a priority...but not tops.

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Up here in New York all the talk shows are talking about the Jets trading up to #1 to get Leinart. This would really piss me off and give me another reason to hate the Jets. However, the Jets want to unload Abraham and it seems more likely they'll trade Abraham to Washington for Ramsey. Wait till the end of the week to see what the Jets do with Pennington, they have till Friday to decide his future with the team. If we don't get Leinart, then we have to trade down and pick up either Brick or Hawk.

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Are you serious? Did you see the guy at the combine? He's already put on over 10 pounds of muscle since the college season ended. He's easily going to put on 10 more... the guy is ripped out the a-hole. He's has a better physique than Barry and is bigger than Dunn... and Dunn has been in this league for quite some time, not just a few... and he's still performing at a top level.

Heck I wouldn't mind having Bush on this team... it's going to put a lot of people in the seats. He's going to be great and will be exciting to see every Sunday. But, it does not make sense to take him. We gave Deuce a 50 million dollar contract... are yall suggesting we cut him? If we draft Bush with the #2 pick, we are going to throw a lot of money his way because of the slot he's being selected in. This is in no way similiar to the Ricky/Deuce selection. Deuce was a low 1st round pick which means we didn't throw millions and millions at the guy. So unless we cut Deuce, which I'm not in favor of (at least this upcoming season), Bush wouldn't make sense here... just those two would eat up all our cap space.

Ahman Green is an unrestricted free agent... if we want insurance for Deuce, give Green an incentative heavy deal. I hear he's considering going to play for Saban as Ronnie Brown's backup... he'll have a better chance getting more carries here.

... on the NFL network's Total Access , it was reported that Coach Payton was "'enamoured" with Cutler - their word - so it may be very well that the Saints are aiming at Cutler instead of Leinart...

YES!!!!!!

ESPN.com's Todd McShay said Clemson's Charlie Whitehurst threw better than anyone at the NFL Combine not named Cutler. Whitehurst, Brodie Croyle, and Omar Jacobs are all vying to be the fourth quarterback drafted. Feb. 27 - 1:42 pm et

Many teams have reportedly already taken Marcus Vick off their draft boards.
Vick did quite well on the field this weekend, but he didn't impress in his press conference or interviews. ESPN.com says he came across as "arrogant" and "smug" in interviews. Feb. 27 - 1:44 pm et

Maryland TE Vernon Davis ran a 4.38 forty at the NFL Scouting Combine.
At 6'3 and 254 pounds, that is simply freakish speed. He also put up 225 pounds 33 times. Davis was already seen as a top ten pick and this should cement that status. His college production was excellent and the kid can block. Expect his fantasy hype to be through the roof. Feb. 27 - 11:47 am et

Just some tid bits off rotoworld... thought it was intersting. Davis' numbers at the combine are SICK.

Not disagreeing just throwing out the question, not to mention there are quite a few quality backs availible in FA, and will be some fine backs availible in the low MIddle Rounds of the draft. Would not be against him, but isn't he comming off some major injuries too?

Yup... that's why he could be a low risk high reward signing.

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yes, because I do not expect the Saints to move on any offensive linemen over the next 6 years. We'll keep everything we have, Lienart will be bloody as hell, and not able to walk by year 2, and then you can come here, wag your finger in everyone's face, and tell them, "I told you so."

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The two teams in the SB had an OL and DL better than any in the NFL.

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why waste picks on a position that is not a glaring need. qb and lb are glaring needs. o line and d line are needs, but not nearly as great as our need for a starting qb and a lb.

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I can think of ten other teams off the top of my head, that I would rather have their defensive lines than Seattle.

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OL and D periord are our glaring needs. Brooks is an above average QB. We are not above average on our lines which would improve the whole team as a whole, if you want to address QB fine but lets build from the lines and you can put most anyone in at key positions even a Pitts QB

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I would agree that our O-Line is below average and with Bentley leaving more than likley, we really only have Brown, Riley and Jacox that seem to play more consistant than the rest of the line. That being said.
I would argue that the D line is above average and has been and if Sully plays this year and finnally gets it (I think he will) than the D-Line will be one of the top 5 in the NFL. However we are weak in the Line backer position. We have athletic LB's, but they do not make the right reads and are not sure tacklers or just cant tackle. Our defensive backfield is also above average, However an upgrade at corner for Brown is needed.

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Correction my brain shut down for a moment I meant Holland not false start Reiley who was sent backing last year (thank god)

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If Brooks is an above average QB, some team would be seeking his services. Ok, so where are all the trade rumors surrounding AB??? What? He'll be a backup this fall???

I think you have that ass-backwards, personally. Not sure why you're so dead set on addressing the offensive and defensive lines, only. Not that I have a problem with picking up a few key players, but can we not address more than two poistions, or is that some NFL by-law I'm unaware of?

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Brooks is an L.D. student blessed with a strong arm, nothing more. Hardly above average.

:o :o

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Because blaming the O-line (which isn't all that bad) would take the blame off of Brooks' stupid play at QB. :wink: :wink:

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Perfect if houston trades out and Matt is taken, trade value wise. for us to drop out of the top 5 will cost alot for the team moving up. But After Verons combine numbers I would love to see him and Hilton in a double TE set. Talk about problems for a defense that puts 8 in the box to stop the run as they have done in the past. Duce and the WR ( if they do not drop the ball) would Run wild with the threat those two would pose.

Now the Jets could go either way RB/QB. All depends on F/A and what they do with the cap problems they have. Houston could go either way with a DE Willaims or OT Ferguson at 4.
Hey NJ I agree with you.

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Hagen glad I make sense some times.

Vernon Davis is an animal, and we do need a tight end to compliment Hilton, but we also need a blocking tight end, maybe he fits that mold, I don't see the Saints picking him up though, to many glaring holes. I think at this point the pick will be either D'Brick, (Cutler/Leinart although I make no bones I'd Rather see Cutler) or Hawk depending on what happens on Draft day. It should be fun to watch.

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Yeah I agree NJ if we trade down no later than 5 in the draft. but i still think the raiders will make move up the board hardest of all the teams to #2. So if we end up as low as 7 i think it is a good pick. It would help the offensive line greatly. CB, LB, and S would have to stay home more and limit the blitz options with two TE that can catch.
There is no knock on davis and his blocking skills. He is the best all around TE in the draft and he has sold me with his workout. 4.38 in the 40 fastest ever of the combine, hands, and has a nasty 33 at 225lbs.

HILTON STINCHCOMB MAYBERRY JACOX HOLLAND BROWN DAVIS

STINCHCOMB MAYBERRY JACOX - alot of ?? So upgrade is needed in F/A and draft

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Hands down Davis is awsome. And he has the size andf strenght to block, I'm just not too sure how much blocking he did at college. He would not be a disappointing pick by any stretch and would be an instant upgrade at tight end. Those two tight end sets scare me without having the full back back there. I remember we tried that and got duce killed. two years ago, but davis is like a big second reciever. so you may be able to keep the FB in. Just my thoughts

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Only three players I would like Saints t get in the first. Hawk, Brick, or Davis. I dont like the double TE set, because I am a Karney fan. I don't see how our O-line is just a need, not a NEED. When we can't get near the endzone because of mistakes made by the O-line, its a NEED. Not saying Brooks doesn't do dumb plays (he definately does), I would just like to see what he can do with an awesome line, before we ship him out. Brick and Brown would be set at OT's for the next 5 years or more, and our QB will be healthier for another 3 at least haha.