Payton interested in Cutler?

BJSim · 02-28-2006, 04:07 PM

Fatius, please try to compare like talented players in this arguement. I'll give you that Cutler will be a first rounder and possibly even a top three. BUT don't use names like Toretta, Walsh, and Dorsey to compare QBs from good teams doing poorly in the NFL. None of those QBs was even picked prior to the 7th round!

Toretta and Dorsey were both picked in the 7th, and Walsh wasn't even picked in the standard draft. He was the first player picked in 1989's Supplimental Draft (to back up Troy Aikman in Dallas). Now I know they came from good college squads, but even NFL scouts recognised that it wasn't them.

FatiusJeebs · 02-28-2006, 04:13 PM

I hear you loud and clear BJ. My point is that there are peple here who feel that Leinart will do well in the NFL because of his collegiate success. I am saying that I don't buy it. Ok....lol how about Shuler? ;0)

FatiusJeebs · 02-28-2006, 04:15 PM

Ghandi...I understand you completely. But..my opinion is that I simply feel that even though Leinart has proven that he can...there is something special about a guy who can take a lousy program and make it respectable.

wheelman · 02-28-2006, 04:16 PM

Just to update my last post, Vandy gave up four sacks against Georgia the very next game after LSU. I'm going to keep going. I have no idea why, but I am.

FatiusJeebs · 02-28-2006, 04:22 PM

I like the avatar wheelman...very memorable...;0)

BJSim · 02-28-2006, 04:33 PM

Fatius, you can make an arguement either way... good players coming in and doing poorly (Shuler, Akili Smith, etc), or good players excelling (Manning(s), McNabb, etc). But no matter what you pick the best player on the board. And by almost all scouts thats Matt Lienart.

If he's gone I'm not oppossed to taking Cutler, but no way if Leinart's still on the board do I take Cutler.

FatiusJeebs · 02-28-2006, 04:40 PM

You say tomato...I say tomato (its hard to sing that song when you type it eh?)

Im out for now....I'll try to check in tonite but for the most part....I'll see you guys tomorrow. Another great day of bickering and arguing for one common cause...the good of the Saints. You guys have a good night.

wheelman · 02-28-2006, 04:41 PM

like the avatar wheelman...very memorable...;0)

Thanks jeeebs.

Stupid Sportsline and ESPN, neither show the defensive stats for the South Carolina game.

BlackandBlue · 02-28-2006, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

BnB... its not an issue of talent at hand vs. no talent at hand Its an issue of maximizing the talent you don't have. THAT....takes talent. Cutler has proven he has it.

That's great. If you want to base your opinions off this, that is your perogative. I prefer to judge the individual performances by what I see on the field, and come to a conclusion from there.

Been doing this for 5 years now, and my picks are pretty dead on- ask any of the regulars here.

wheelman · 02-28-2006, 05:17 PM

I give up. I swear looking up some statistics on the Internet is a pain in the ***. Anyway, it's safe to say that Vanderbilt's line was not very good over the past two years. That being said, I did notice something a little disturbing about Cutler's statistics. He doesn't turn the ball over much, but opposing teams seemed to be able to score points off of them. However, after I saw Vanderbilt's defensive stats, I realized why. However, again, those turnovers did seem to happen at inopportune times.

02-28-2006, 04:13 PM	#72
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	I hear you loud and clear BJ. My point is that there are peple here who feel that Leinart will do well in the NFL because of his collegiate success. I am saying that I don't buy it. Ok....lol how about Shuler? ;0)
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973

02-28-2006, 04:15 PM	#73
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Ghandi...I understand you completely. But..my opinion is that I simply feel that even though Leinart has proven that he can...there is something special about a guy who can take a lousy program and make it respectable.
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02-28-2006, 04:16 PM	#74
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Just to update my last post, Vandy gave up four sacks against Georgia the very next game after LSU. I'm going to keep going. I have no idea why, but I am.
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02-28-2006, 04:22 PM	#75
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	I like the avatar wheelman...very memorable...;0)
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02-28-2006, 04:40 PM	#77
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	You say tomato...I say tomato (its hard to sing that song when you type it eh?) Im out for now....I'll try to check in tonite but for the most part....I'll see you guys tomorrow. Another great day of bickering and arguing for one common cause...the good of the Saints. You guys have a good night.
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02-28-2006, 04:07 PM	#71
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	Fatius, please try to compare like talented players in this arguement. I'll give you that Cutler will be a first rounder and possibly even a top three. BUT don't use names like Toretta, Walsh, and Dorsey to compare QBs from good teams doing poorly in the NFL. None of those QBs was even picked prior to the 7th round! Toretta and Dorsey were both picked in the 7th, and Walsh wasn't even picked in the standard draft. He was the first player picked in 1989's Supplimental Draft (to back up Troy Aikman in Dallas). Now I know they came from good college squads, but even NFL scouts recognised that it wasn't them.

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02-28-2006, 04:33 PM	#76
BJSim 500+ posts Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Centreville, VA Posts: 577	Fatius, you can make an arguement either way... good players coming in and doing poorly (Shuler, Akili Smith, etc), or good players excelling (Manning(s), McNabb, etc). But no matter what you pick the best player on the board. And by almost all scouts thats Matt Lienart. If he's gone I'm not oppossed to taking Cutler, but no way if Leinart's still on the board do I take Cutler.

02-28-2006, 04:41 PM	#78
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	like the avatar wheelman...very memorable...;0) Thanks jeeebs. Stupid Sportsline and ESPN, neither show the defensive stats for the South Carolina game.
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02-28-2006, 05:11 PM	#79
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs BnB... its not an issue of talent at hand vs. no talent at hand Its an issue of maximizing the talent you don't have. THAT....takes talent. Cutler has proven he has it. That's great. If you want to base your opinions off this, that is your perogative. I prefer to judge the individual performances by what I see on the field, and come to a conclusion from there. Been doing this for 5 years now, and my picks are pretty dead on- ask any of the regulars here.

02-28-2006, 05:17 PM	#80
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	I give up. I swear looking up some statistics on the Internet is a pain in the ***. Anyway, it's safe to say that Vanderbilt's line was not very good over the past two years. That being said, I did notice something a little disturbing about Cutler's statistics. He doesn't turn the ball over much, but opposing teams seemed to be able to score points off of them. However, after I saw Vanderbilt's defensive stats, I realized why. However, again, those turnovers did seem to happen at inopportune times.
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