A good read for Cutler fans.

spkb25 · 03-02-2006, 11:31 AM

will he be there at 7 whodi? i did here that the titans might let volek go

spkb25 · 03-02-2006, 11:35 AM

kiper makes me laugh. cutler is caught up in the hype machine he says. and young isn't? what. dude i will be happy with whatever we do as long as what we do is not pick vince young

saintswhodi · 03-02-2006, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

will he be there at 7 whodi? i did here that the titans might let volek go

I don't see why he wouldn't be. The Titans are blowing smoke. If they don't get Leinart, they will take Young. And so what if he isn't? That means AJ Hawk prob fell to seven, or Jimmy williams from Va Tech, I am not gonna be mad at that. But unless we trade the number two pick before the draft, or get jumped before we get to take Leinart, we should not even be worrying about that. There is no doubt in my mind if we are sitting at two, and Leinart is there to be picked, we are taking him. The only changes come if something disrupts that scenario. I am not gonna be mad if we don't get Leinart by events beyond our control, I am gonna be mad if we PASS on him to trade down, or simply don't draft him. But believe me, all this Cutler talk is just hype. EVERY year players jump up cause of the combine. Phillip Rivers last year, Kyle Boller a year or two ago, Ryan Leaf back in the day, and other positions as well, Mike Mamula, Tony Mandarich, the list goes on and on. I guess in the end, we'll see what happens.

FanNJ · 03-02-2006, 11:58 AM

But believe me, all this Cutler talk is just hype. EVERY year players jump up cause of the combine

Hey I agree that there is alot of Hype being talked right now about Cutler, but there has been quite a bit of talk about him well before the Senior bowl. I actually joined this post because I got tiered or hearing all the Leinart Vs Young crap flying around. At big name school he would have been a cut above the two, but flew under the radar at Vandy for most accounts. I'd be willing to wager on who goes on to have a better NFL carrer. Hey lets keep it simple first two years as a starter, as long as they go to what can be agreed to as comparable teams.

jrmllb · 03-02-2006, 12:20 PM

I think that NO could trade down and take Cutler, problem is if they trade too far down he is gone when our turn comes, we need to trade to the 7 or 8 spot at the most...With the salary cap and free agency shaping up the way it is I think there will be teams jumping to get a good qb back after theirs have gone to free agency as a salry cap casualty

FanNJ · 03-02-2006, 12:25 PM

I think he'll be off the board by #4 5 latest

TheDeuce · 03-02-2006, 01:10 PM

Deuce I understand you trust Kiper's word and why not the guy seems to have the authority on the matter but he is not in fallable. I wish I could see what he said about a guy like Heath Shuler when he left Tenn. The Redskins picked him with their third pick in the first round. I can assume that the reports on the guy were extremely positive and all. But in the end....well...you know. My deal here is character. I simply like Cutler's attitude a lot more than the others. Outside of the fact that he has the tools to succeed... with what I saw him do in Vandy (which wasn't much but it looked good to me.) and how he has approached the NFL situation makes me feel like this guy has the leadership skills needed to succeed. Especially with the Saints.

One more thing...I will not by any means be upset if we do get Leinart. Good for us if we do....he has proven that he knows how to win. The deal for me is that the NFL is different and I just feel that Cutler's character would benefit the Saints more. Remember this is New Orleans...the fans here are loyal but after so many years of futility...they also expect results. Cutler seems like the type of guy that can handle the pressure this city imposes on the team. Again, this is obviously my opinion.

Fatius, I respect that opinion and I guess only time will tell whether or not Cutler has "it." I just honestly think he doesn't. I think the guy is very athletic as can be seen from his respectable 40-time, and his impressive bench press numbers, but there's a lot more to being a quarterback than having a good attitude and athletic skills. A quarterback still has to be able to throw the ball, and that's where I think Cutler falls short of the others. He just isn't a very accurate QB. The biggest knocks on him are that he has poor footwork, makes poor decisions, and is not as accurate as some scouts would like. Sure he's got a big arm, but if he can't actually hit his WRs with his big throws, then what good is he?

Yes, I know Mel Kiper is not God, I just respect his opinion more than any other analyst because I believe he's studied more draft stuff than anybody else. I mean that's his whole job, and he does it for the premiere sports company in the nation. But yes, he is fallible. I'm sure he's made a lot of mistakes with his predictions. However, one thing I can tell you is that Heath Shuler probably wasn't as highly rated as Peyton Manning, but Leinart is. And I'm sure Cutler has "a good attitude" and everything, but what's to say that Leinart's isn't as good or better? Here's a guy who has said in an interview that he would be excited and honored to be the face of this franchise and their rebuilding process. That sounds like the kind of attitude that I want from my QB.

I also believe that a good attitude in the game of football is built through winning. Cutler has never had a winning season, Leinart has only lost two games in college. I believe that this team needs a guy who has a winning attitude, somebody who is used to winning, and that's all that Leinart does.

TheDeuce · 03-02-2006, 01:14 PM

However, even though I don't think he isn't worthy of a #2 pick, that's not to say I wouldn't like to see him in Black and Gold. I think if we traded out of #2 to somewhere from 5-7, then he might be deserving of the pick. He's a good player, and I think with Payton's guidance he could become a pretty good QB in the NFL. I just don't think there's any way that we can pass up on Leinart. A QB this highly touted only comes out 3-4 years. WHo knows where we're going to be in that time period? We need to draft the future of this franchise in Leinart with the #2, but if Leinart isn't there, then we need to trade down and, in my opinion, we should go defense, and defense only. Our OLine is pretty good, and our D has some more glaring holes than our OLine.

saintswhodi · 03-02-2006, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by FanNJ

But believe me, all this Cutler talk is just hype. EVERY year players jump up cause of the combine

Hey I agree that there is alot of Hype being talked right now about Cutler, but there has been quite a bit of talk about him well before the Senior bowl. I actually joined this post because I got tiered or hearing all the Leinart Vs Young crap flying around. At big name school he would have been a cut above the two, but flew under the radar at Vandy for most accounts. I'd be willing to wager on who goes on to have a better NFL carrer. Hey lets keep it simple first two years as a starter, as long as they go to what can be agreed to as comparable teams.

I'll make that wager. Whatever you want. And don't give me this comparable teams BS, cause both are being picked at the top of the draft, which generally means both will go to sucky teams. So what's you bet? I will bet whatever you want Leinart will have a better pro career than Cutler.

TheDeuce · 03-02-2006, 01:28 PM

I'll take it too

03-02-2006, 11:31 AM	#41
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	RE: A good read for Cutler fans. will he be there at 7 whodi? i did here that the titans might let volek go

03-02-2006, 11:35 AM	#42
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	RE: A good read for Cutler fans. kiper makes me laugh. cutler is caught up in the hype machine he says. and young isn't? what. dude i will be happy with whatever we do as long as what we do is not pick vince young

03-02-2006, 11:46 AM	#43
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Re: RE: A good read for Cutler fans. Originally Posted by spkb25 will he be there at 7 whodi? i did here that the titans might let volek go I don't see why he wouldn't be. The Titans are blowing smoke. If they don't get Leinart, they will take Young. And so what if he isn't? That means AJ Hawk prob fell to seven, or Jimmy williams from Va Tech, I am not gonna be mad at that. But unless we trade the number two pick before the draft, or get jumped before we get to take Leinart, we should not even be worrying about that. There is no doubt in my mind if we are sitting at two, and Leinart is there to be picked, we are taking him. The only changes come if something disrupts that scenario. I am not gonna be mad if we don't get Leinart by events beyond our control, I am gonna be mad if we PASS on him to trade down, or simply don't draft him. But believe me, all this Cutler talk is just hype. EVERY year players jump up cause of the combine. Phillip Rivers last year, Kyle Boller a year or two ago, Ryan Leaf back in the day, and other positions as well, Mike Mamula, Tony Mandarich, the list goes on and on. I guess in the end, we'll see what happens.

03-02-2006, 11:58 AM	#44
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	RE: Re: RE: A good read for Cutler fans. But believe me, all this Cutler talk is just hype. EVERY year players jump up cause of the combine Hey I agree that there is alot of Hype being talked right now about Cutler, but there has been quite a bit of talk about him well before the Senior bowl. I actually joined this post because I got tiered or hearing all the Leinart Vs Young crap flying around. At big name school he would have been a cut above the two, but flew under the radar at Vandy for most accounts. I'd be willing to wager on who goes on to have a better NFL carrer. Hey lets keep it simple first two years as a starter, as long as they go to what can be agreed to as comparable teams.
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03-02-2006, 12:25 PM	#46
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03-02-2006, 12:20 PM	#45
jrmllb 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Posts: 665	I think that NO could trade down and take Cutler, problem is if they trade too far down he is gone when our turn comes, we need to trade to the 7 or 8 spot at the most...With the salary cap and free agency shaping up the way it is I think there will be teams jumping to get a good qb back after theirs have gone to free agency as a salry cap casualty

03-02-2006, 01:10 PM	#47
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Deuce I understand you trust Kiper's word and why not the guy seems to have the authority on the matter but he is not in fallable. I wish I could see what he said about a guy like Heath Shuler when he left Tenn. The Redskins picked him with their third pick in the first round. I can assume that the reports on the guy were extremely positive and all. But in the end....well...you know. My deal here is character. I simply like Cutler's attitude a lot more than the others. Outside of the fact that he has the tools to succeed... with what I saw him do in Vandy (which wasn't much but it looked good to me.) and how he has approached the NFL situation makes me feel like this guy has the leadership skills needed to succeed. Especially with the Saints. One more thing...I will not by any means be upset if we do get Leinart. Good for us if we do....he has proven that he knows how to win. The deal for me is that the NFL is different and I just feel that Cutler's character would benefit the Saints more. Remember this is New Orleans...the fans here are loyal but after so many years of futility...they also expect results. Cutler seems like the type of guy that can handle the pressure this city imposes on the team. Again, this is obviously my opinion. Fatius, I respect that opinion and I guess only time will tell whether or not Cutler has "it." I just honestly think he doesn't. I think the guy is very athletic as can be seen from his respectable 40-time, and his impressive bench press numbers, but there's a lot more to being a quarterback than having a good attitude and athletic skills. A quarterback still has to be able to throw the ball, and that's where I think Cutler falls short of the others. He just isn't a very accurate QB. The biggest knocks on him are that he has poor footwork, makes poor decisions, and is not as accurate as some scouts would like. Sure he's got a big arm, but if he can't actually hit his WRs with his big throws, then what good is he? Yes, I know Mel Kiper is not God, I just respect his opinion more than any other analyst because I believe he's studied more draft stuff than anybody else. I mean that's his whole job, and he does it for the premiere sports company in the nation. But yes, he is fallible. I'm sure he's made a lot of mistakes with his predictions. However, one thing I can tell you is that Heath Shuler probably wasn't as highly rated as Peyton Manning, but Leinart is. And I'm sure Cutler has "a good attitude" and everything, but what's to say that Leinart's isn't as good or better? Here's a guy who has said in an interview that he would be excited and honored to be the face of this franchise and their rebuilding process. That sounds like the kind of attitude that I want from my QB. I also believe that a good attitude in the game of football is built through winning. Cutler has never had a winning season, Leinart has only lost two games in college. I believe that this team needs a guy who has a winning attitude, somebody who is used to winning, and that's all that Leinart does.
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03-02-2006, 01:14 PM	#48
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	However, even though I don't think he isn't worthy of a #2 pick, that's not to say I wouldn't like to see him in Black and Gold. I think if we traded out of #2 to somewhere from 5-7, then he might be deserving of the pick. He's a good player, and I think with Payton's guidance he could become a pretty good QB in the NFL. I just don't think there's any way that we can pass up on Leinart. A QB this highly touted only comes out 3-4 years. WHo knows where we're going to be in that time period? We need to draft the future of this franchise in Leinart with the #2, but if Leinart isn't there, then we need to trade down and, in my opinion, we should go defense, and defense only. Our OLine is pretty good, and our D has some more glaring holes than our OLine.
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03-02-2006, 01:23 PM	#49
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Re: RE: Re: RE: A good read for Cutler fans. Originally Posted by FanNJ But believe me, all this Cutler talk is just hype. EVERY year players jump up cause of the combine Hey I agree that there is alot of Hype being talked right now about Cutler, but there has been quite a bit of talk about him well before the Senior bowl. I actually joined this post because I got tiered or hearing all the Leinart Vs Young crap flying around. At big name school he would have been a cut above the two, but flew under the radar at Vandy for most accounts. I'd be willing to wager on who goes on to have a better NFL carrer. Hey lets keep it simple first two years as a starter, as long as they go to what can be agreed to as comparable teams. I'll make that wager. Whatever you want. And don't give me this comparable teams BS, cause both are being picked at the top of the draft, which generally means both will go to sucky teams. So what's you bet? I will bet whatever you want Leinart will have a better pro career than Cutler.

03-02-2006, 01:28 PM	#50
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