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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by wheelman Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Originally Posted by wheelman Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Originally Posted by wheelman TR; He was asking a hypothetical question about Mannjng having the same injury, not comparing their talent. ..since you put ...

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Old 03-12-2006, 09:33 PM   #31
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Re: RE: Re: RE: One more thing on Brees

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
Originally Posted by wheelman
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TR; He was asking a hypothetical question about Mannjng having the same injury, not comparing their talent.
..since you put it nicely:

..allow me then to ask you a hypotetical question first:

If it were Ryan Leaf instead of Drew Brees, do you think there would be a discussion?

To a man everyone in this forum would say "hell no!!!"
Right?
Why?
On what would you base your argument against Leaf?

You would base it on what each player brings to the table, right?
Isn't that a comparison of both players?

See what I am saying?
No I would not consider Leaf, but there in lyes the flaw of your argument. We are not talking about bad quarterbacks. Both Brees and Manning are good, not on an even level, but both are good nonetheless.
No, wheelman.. we are talking about what each QB brings to the table...

If you had to make a decision between Leaf and Brees given the same circumstances, you would probably base your decision of taking Brees over Leaf on knowing that Leaf is a bust and Brees is a good QB - i.e., compare them as players: one's good, one's bad - and you would more readily risk your money on Brees and take the chance that Brees shoulder is going to hold up...

By the same token, if you had to make a decision between Brees and Manning given the same circumstances, you would probably base your decision on which player brings more to the table, and that player would be Manning, because compared to Brees, Manning is by far the superior QB, therefore you would more readily risk your money on Manning and take the chance that Manning's shoulder is going to hold up.

The point is, given the same circumstances, how would you make a decision whether you would take Manning and not Brees? You would have to compare what both players bring to the table... simple as that... and obviously, Manning brings oh so much to the table as a QB as comapred to Brees that I would definitely take the chance on Manning's shoulder haeling right before I take the chance on Brees' shoulder healing right.
Well TR that is true according to the question you asked me. According to mighty's question, however, Brees and Manning are not both free agents. What he is suggesting is a role reversal. What if Manning were the FA coming off major surgery on his throwing arm, and Brees was still in SD?

... after this one, I am going to stop, because I don't think my English - being that is only my 3rd language - is good enough...

If Peyton were a free agent coming off shoulder surgery, I would be willing to take the risk and throw that kind of cash at him and his bum shoulder AND pass on Leinart because Peyton's a future HoF'er, and the biggest payoff on the gamble that he'll eventually be 100% is having a future HoF'er in his prime at QB.

Drew Brees is a decent QB who's coming off shoulder surgery... I wouldn't take the risk of throwing that kind of cash at him AND passing on Leinart because the biggest payoff on the gamble that he' will eventually be 100% is merely a good QB.

..any time you ask "what if it were this instead of that?" you are comparing this and that.. if there wasn't a difference between this and that, you wouldn't be asking the question to begin with...

..hypothetical means suppositional... the fact that Manning is not a free agent and Brees is a free agent has nothing to do with how you respond to the question because, again, the question is hypothetical....

..and don't worry about Billy... he gets excited sometimes...

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Old 03-13-2006, 09:39 AM   #32
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Re: RE: Re: RE: One more thing on Brees

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First of all don't even try to think that you know me, because when it is all said and done you know nothing. Now to make you look like a complete idiot.............How is asking if they were coming off of the same injury would effect how people Peyton as a viable pickup comparing their talent?????Really tell me, because it isn't comparing them it is forcing people to think about why we are hesitent to get a GREAT QB because he is recovering from an injury ahead of schedule. You, however, in your other post, made my point perfectly clear. It matters not because of the injury, like most people are saying, but because he isn't Matt Leinart. Thank you for making my point. I wish arguing with TheDeuce were this simple.
... affect...
... hesitant...
... grammar is your friend...
... Drew Brees is not a great QB...
... "what if A instead of B" IS a comparison...

..what took you so long?
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Old 03-13-2006, 09:43 AM   #33
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I have to go along with that "...Brees is not a great QB". He has a great D and a great RB far supior to ours. Fans here aren't all that in love with him and most want him to go/move on.
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Old 03-13-2006, 11:40 AM   #34
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He's just asking for too much money. He's gonna get more than we can afford if we are seriously considering getting any other good FAs.
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Old 03-13-2006, 11:57 AM   #35
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even if his legs fell off, tore both rotator cuffs, and dislocated his hips, he would still be a step up from where we are now. pick up brees and then draft for defense.
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Old 03-13-2006, 12:00 PM   #36
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Nicely put Saintbuck. I have always felt that if we need a QB we get one through FA. Draft for defense and o-line.
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Old 03-13-2006, 12:11 PM   #37
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Hey mighty...don't fret. Certain posters in this forum have always had a difficult time looking at things hypothetically. I understand your point. They always call it a comparison and then they claim their English skills are like second to none and that we are idiots.
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Old 03-13-2006, 12:11 PM   #38
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Are you that stupid, hey you attacked me personally so it only felt right to ask.
you weren't attacked, so don't use that as a crutch, either.

Now to make you look like a complete idiot
take the tone out of your posts, or i'll do it for you.
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Old 03-13-2006, 01:13 PM   #39
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Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs
Hey mighty...don't fret. Certain posters in this forum have always had a difficult time looking at things hypothetically. I understand your point. They always call it a comparison and then they claim their English skills are like second to none and that we are idiots.
... you are funny... "they".. good one...

... speaking of skills, "hypothetical" does not mean "I'm right because I threw in a big word in my post"... hypothetical means "what if", "suppose that" ....

...and I will ask you too, when someone asks you "what if B instead of A", what's the basis for your response? ...

..speaking of comparisons, here's an analogy for you

I will label each instance to allow everyone to join in the fun:

Actual Situation Analogy
Saints need a QB You need a woman
There are 3 available now There are 3 available now
Brees, McCown, Kitna Julia Roberts, Kathy Bates, Bea Arthur
You can get Leinart in a month You can get Jill Arrington in a month
If you get Bress now, no Leinart later if you get Julia now, no Jill later
Brees can't throw now, and not sure Julia is on the rebound, and wants just friends
when he is going to return for now, you don't know when she'll be in the
mood

...while you try making a decision, ...while you try making a decision,
someone asks you: what if instead of someone asks you: what if instead of
Brees, you had a chance at Mannning? Julia, you had a chance at a 3-some with
Milla Jovovich and Jessica Alba?

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Old 03-13-2006, 01:29 PM   #40
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WTF was that? lol
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