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spkb25 · 03-22-2006, 02:03 PM

hey wheelman that is the same shiit ii heard about steve smith when i drafted him to my fantasy team last year. the guy will be back

foreverfan · 03-22-2006, 03:09 PM

Packers | Team comments on Walker's status
Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:58:22 -0800

Updating ongoing reports, Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson, in a statement released by the team, said, "During his time as a Green Bay Packer, Javon Walker has been well thought of by everyone here. I like Javon, certainly as a person and as a player. That said, Javon is under contract, which he signed as a 2002 first-round draft choice. That contract is governed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which was negotiated between the National Football League and the National Football League Players' Association, and we expect him to honor it." Thompson added he does not anticipate the team making any concessions in the matter and they will not make any further comments on the situation. Walker, as reported, wants to be traded to another team and has threatened retiring rather than playing for Green Bay again

AllSaints · 03-22-2006, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by wheelman

I would love to have Walker, but I hate this trade. Green Bay is over valuing him too much. After all, the guy is coming off of a serious leg injury.

Hey so what the serious leg injury we are going after the injured guysa anyway Brees,Simmons why not Javon.......lol but i would rather draft Ferguson!!

wheelman · 03-22-2006, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by AllSaints

Originally Posted by wheelman

I would love to have Walker, but I hate this trade. Green Bay is over valuing him too much. After all, the guy is coming off of a serious leg injury.

Hey so what the serious leg injury we are going after the injured guysa anyway Brees,Simmons why not Javon.......lol but i would rather draft Ferguson!!

but I see a big difference between the situations of our free agent signings, and this possible trade. With Drew Brees we were in a bidding war and Anthony Simmons was picked up at a cheap price. If we trade with Green Bay, we would be in complete control. We wouldn't have to worry about competition because we are the only team with the second overall pick in the draft. At that point we can determine how much Walker is worth, not them.

Hey LK, how many points is Walker worth if we only got Green Bay's first and second round picks with him?

BrooksMustGo · 03-22-2006, 04:16 PM

we would be in complete control. We wouldn't have to worry about competition because we are the only team with the second overall pick in the draft. At that point we can determine how much Walker is worth, not them.

Exactly, in this position the chart is helpful but becomes a bit like the Pirate's Code.

Aargh, They're more like ... guidelines.

I'm open to a Walker deal, but our WRs are going to get pretty crowded already. Devery is going to have a breakout year and Chase "the 6 million dollar man" Lyman is going to be a rampaging beast.

wheelman · 03-22-2006, 05:20 PM

Ok, I figured out the numbers. The second overall pick is worth 2600 points. If we were to get green Bay's first and second round pick this year, that would only equal 2230 points. That means Walker is worth 370 points, which equals to the 53rd pick in the draft. Of course, that 2600 point total is for an average year. In my opinion the second pick is worth more than that this year. This year I believe it will be worth a normal years No. 1 overall pick, which would be 3000 points. This would then make Walker worth 770 points, which is between the 22nd and the 23rd pick. Walker has only had one good season. And he missed last season with an injury. There is no way he is worth a first-round pick.

xan · 03-22-2006, 06:35 PM

Please please please please please let's not sign yet ANOTHER severely injured FA who's only got ONE year of decent play. How many injured WR's does this team need to carry anyway?

saintswhodi · 03-22-2006, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by FanNJ

Daunte Culpepper tore all three ligaments in his knee, and he will be fine for the season

He'll play, but I doubt he'll be mobile.

James took two seasons to return to form, But TO Steve Smith you are on the money

James took two seasons, cause he is a running back that touched the ball 30 times a game. Walker is a WR. I would put money on him being fine this year. Another bet? lol

saintswhodi · 03-22-2006, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by wheelman

Ok, I figured out the numbers. The second overall pick is worth 2600 points. If we were to get green Bay's first and second round pick this year, that would only equal 2230 points. That means Walker is worth 370 points, which equals to the 53rd pick in the draft. Of course, that 2600 point total is for an average year. In my opinion the second pick is worth more than that this year. This year I believe it will be worth a normal years No. 1 overall pick, which would be 3000 points. This would then make Walker worth 770 points, which is between the 22nd and the 23rd pick. Walker has only had one good season. And he missed last season with an injury. There is no way he is worth a first-round pick.

I said this before, that the number two pick is worth more than any value chart this year, because of the caliber of players who are there. So I agree with you there. But here's the thing: Walker was a first round pick, and is a pro bowl receiver. To you, that isn't worth the #23 pick? Donte is in the last year of his deal. What if he wants to roll like LeCharles? Then we have old Joe and Devery? We are not gonna draft another WR this year and Horn, Walker, Stallworth sounds a hell of a lot better to me than Horn, Stallworth, Hakim or Henderson, although at some point, I believe Devery will stud out. If they offerd Walker, plus their 1 and 2, i'd have to take a good long hard look at that, cause basically, you would be getting Walker plus Hawk Brick or Ngata plus Wroten or Carpenter or Hodge, plus Mangold if we don't get a center by trade or through FA, and if we do, Justice or McNeil or hell, too many possibilitiesd to mention. Maybe we make them throw in a second next year or something, but it's a trde i'd do.

wheelman · 03-22-2006, 06:57 PM

Culpeper was traded for a second round pick. Two years ago, TO was traded for a second round pick. Last off season, both Seattle and Indianapolis were only asking for second round picks for both Alexander and James. Those guys have had consistent success. If you're going to ask me if a wide receiver that has only had one good season, no matter how much upside he has, is worth a first or second round pick, then I'm going to have to say no. Agree to disagree

03-22-2006, 03:09 PM	#22
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Packers \| Team comments on Walker's status Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:58:22 -0800 Updating ongoing reports, Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson, in a statement released by the team, said, "During his time as a Green Bay Packer, Javon Walker has been well thought of by everyone here. I like Javon, certainly as a person and as a player. That said, Javon is under contract, which he signed as a 2002 first-round draft choice. That contract is governed by the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which was negotiated between the National Football League and the National Football League Players' Association, and we expect him to honor it." Thompson added he does not anticipate the team making any concessions in the matter and they will not make any further comments on the situation. Walker, as reported, wants to be traded to another team and has threatened retiring rather than playing for Green Bay again
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03-22-2006, 04:12 PM	#24
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Originally Posted by AllSaints Originally Posted by wheelman I would love to have Walker, but I hate this trade. Green Bay is over valuing him too much. After all, the guy is coming off of a serious leg injury. Hey so what the serious leg injury we are going after the injured guysa anyway Brees,Simmons why not Javon.......lol but i would rather draft Ferguson!! but I see a big difference between the situations of our free agent signings, and this possible trade. With Drew Brees we were in a bidding war and Anthony Simmons was picked up at a cheap price. If we trade with Green Bay, we would be in complete control. We wouldn't have to worry about competition because we are the only team with the second overall pick in the draft. At that point we can determine how much Walker is worth, not them. Hey LK, how many points is Walker worth if we only got Green Bay's first and second round picks with him?
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03-22-2006, 05:20 PM	#26
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Ok, I figured out the numbers. The second overall pick is worth 2600 points. If we were to get green Bay's first and second round pick this year, that would only equal 2230 points. That means Walker is worth 370 points, which equals to the 53rd pick in the draft. Of course, that 2600 point total is for an average year. In my opinion the second pick is worth more than that this year. This year I believe it will be worth a normal years No. 1 overall pick, which would be 3000 points. This would then make Walker worth 770 points, which is between the 22nd and the 23rd pick. Walker has only had one good season. And he missed last season with an injury. There is no way he is worth a first-round pick.
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Proponents of higher-order theories of consciousness argue that consciousness is explained by the relation between two levels of mental states in which a higher-order mental state takes another mental state. If you mention this to Chuck Norris, expect an explosive roundhouse kick to the face for spouting too much fancy-talk.

03-22-2006, 06:38 PM	#28
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FanNJ Daunte Culpepper tore all three ligaments in his knee, and he will be fine for the season He'll play, but I doubt he'll be mobile. James took two seasons to return to form, But TO Steve Smith you are on the money James took two seasons, cause he is a running back that touched the ball 30 times a game. Walker is a WR. I would put money on him being fine this year. Another bet? lol

03-22-2006, 06:43 PM	#29
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by wheelman Ok, I figured out the numbers. The second overall pick is worth 2600 points. If we were to get green Bay's first and second round pick this year, that would only equal 2230 points. That means Walker is worth 370 points, which equals to the 53rd pick in the draft. Of course, that 2600 point total is for an average year. In my opinion the second pick is worth more than that this year. This year I believe it will be worth a normal years No. 1 overall pick, which would be 3000 points. This would then make Walker worth 770 points, which is between the 22nd and the 23rd pick. Walker has only had one good season. And he missed last season with an injury. There is no way he is worth a first-round pick. I said this before, that the number two pick is worth more than any value chart this year, because of the caliber of players who are there. So I agree with you there. But here's the thing: Walker was a first round pick, and is a pro bowl receiver. To you, that isn't worth the #23 pick? Donte is in the last year of his deal. What if he wants to roll like LeCharles? Then we have old Joe and Devery? We are not gonna draft another WR this year and Horn, Walker, Stallworth sounds a hell of a lot better to me than Horn, Stallworth, Hakim or Henderson, although at some point, I believe Devery will stud out. If they offerd Walker, plus their 1 and 2, i'd have to take a good long hard look at that, cause basically, you would be getting Walker plus Hawk Brick or Ngata plus Wroten or Carpenter or Hodge, plus Mangold if we don't get a center by trade or through FA, and if we do, Justice or McNeil or hell, too many possibilitiesd to mention. Maybe we make them throw in a second next year or something, but it's a trde i'd do.

03-22-2006, 02:03 PM	#21
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	hey wheelman that is the same shiit ii heard about steve smith when i drafted him to my fantasy team last year. the guy will be back

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03-22-2006, 03:15 PM	#23
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Originally Posted by wheelman I would love to have Walker, but I hate this trade. Green Bay is over valuing him too much. After all, the guy is coming off of a serious leg injury. Hey so what the serious leg injury we are going after the injured guysa anyway Brees,Simmons why not Javon.......lol but i would rather draft Ferguson!!

03-22-2006, 04:16 PM	#25
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	we would be in complete control. We wouldn't have to worry about competition because we are the only team with the second overall pick in the draft. At that point we can determine how much Walker is worth, not them. Exactly, in this position the chart is helpful but becomes a bit like the Pirate's Code. Aargh, They're more like ... guidelines. I'm open to a Walker deal, but our WRs are going to get pretty crowded already. Devery is going to have a breakout year and Chase "the 6 million dollar man" Lyman is going to be a rampaging beast.

03-22-2006, 06:35 PM	#27
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	Please please please please please let's not sign yet ANOTHER severely injured FA who's only got ONE year of decent play. How many injured WR's does this team need to carry anyway?

03-22-2006, 06:57 PM	#30
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Culpeper was traded for a second round pick. Two years ago, TO was traded for a second round pick. Last off season, both Seattle and Indianapolis were only asking for second round picks for both Alexander and James. Those guys have had consistent success. If you're going to ask me if a wide receiver that has only had one good season, no matter how much upside he has, is worth a first or second round pick, then I'm going to have to say no. Agree to disagree
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