Is anybody still hoping we still draft Lienart?

foreverfan · 03-31-2006, 01:15 AM

ANOTHER INTERESTING THOUGHT.... maybe we haven't signed a backup QB so people will think that we may still draft Lienart. This might keep people guessing.

Saint_LB · 03-31-2006, 08:35 AM

[quote="papz]

Take the best available player if you do not trade down and that player's name is Matt Leinart. In all seriousness... am I the only one that thinks Brees will only be here for one year?

I agree with taking the BPA in most cases, however, I don't think Leinart is that guy. I probably wouldn't even put him in the top 5. If I were forced to pick a QB at that spot, it would probably be Cutler. I feel that drafting any player is a gamble, but even more so for the QB position, because of everything you ask him to do. There are more things that can go wrong. A perfect example of that would be AB. The guy has more talent in his finger than a lot of people, but who knew he was going to come with all these mental quirks?

Getting back to Cutler...he, IMO, is very similar to Eli in that he took a horrible team and made them somewhat repectable. If I'm gambling, I have to look for anything that might give me an edge. In the case of Leinart, you look at the fact that the #1 draft pick, most likely, will be his teammate, Bush. This makes me wonder if Leinart succeeded by his merit alone, or if one or probably more people had a lot to do with his success. Taking it one step further, Cutler succeeded enough to throw him somewhere in the first round based mostly on his ability alone, even though you know that when people played Vandy that they said, "If you beat us, you are going to have to run on us, because you are not going to pass!" Defenses didn't know who the hell to defend when they played USC, which had to make it easier to play the QB position.

FanNJ · 03-31-2006, 08:35 AM

do not include the combine workouts and the Senior Bowl...

Can't he did not work out at either

papz · 03-31-2006, 04:53 PM

[quote="FanNJ"]

Can't he did not work out at either

I'm sorry you missed it but try www.google.com or nfl.com. Don't be surprised.

xan · 04-01-2006, 01:01 AM

If it is a choice between AMac and Lienart, Lienart in a heartbeat as he has vastly more experience in all aspects.

If it is a choice between Lienart and any of the remaining FA qb's out there as backup, Lienart because all of them have proven either too incompetent or too feeble.

If it is a choice between Lienart and Cutler or Young, that might be a tough call. Lienart is less risky than the other two, but may have less upside.

foreverfan · 04-01-2006, 01:03 AM

I would take Lienart just to mess with people who think they will get him anyway.

ssmitty · 04-01-2006, 03:03 AM

am I the only one that thinks Brees will only be here for one year?

that's a tough one papz..........let me ask you this.........what if payton likes what he sees in amac?
maybe amac is the future qb of the saints..........in which case, your question.........
how long to develope amac? smitty

papz · 04-01-2006, 02:50 PM

As long as it will take to develop Vince Young... probably another 2 years IMO. I like Amac don't get me wrong... but I think we're all looking for a cinderella type story with him. It's like me and my support of Chase Lyman. I know he's probably never going to make any type of impact on this team but I can't stop rooting for him because I know he's talented.

GoldRush26 · 04-01-2006, 03:36 PM

Well if BPA is the route to go it certainly isn't Leinart. There isn't even an overall consensus that he's the best QB in the draft...how can he possibly be BPA?

Oh and I'm an LSU fan so I personally HAVE seen Cutler a couple times.

BPA in the draft is Reggie Bush. If he's there we pick him. If he's not the D'Brick is the next BPA. He's in such an elite class that no one here can even name the second rated tackle prospect after him. As far as the lack of a backup QB that doesn't need to be addressed until the summer at the latest. Leinart would be nice to have but we stand to gain a lot by trading that pick to a team like the Jets. An adequate backup can be had at any time. In addition to that we still have AMac.

papz · 04-01-2006, 03:50 PM

How can you say its certainly not Leinart? No one knows that... it may or may not be. Next to Bush in my opinion, it's Leinart... same with you and D'Brick.

What does being an LSU fan and seeing Cutler play have to do with anything? Because if you are implying you were impressed with him by seeing him play against us, you've got to be on something. Check out the links underneath.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=252810238
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243040099

Umm... Winston Justice?

03-31-2006, 08:35 AM	#12
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: RE: Is anybody still hoping we still draft Lienart? [quote="papz] Take the best available player if you do not trade down and that player's name is Matt Leinart. In all seriousness... am I the only one that thinks Brees will only be here for one year? I agree with taking the BPA in most cases, however, I don't think Leinart is that guy. I probably wouldn't even put him in the top 5. If I were forced to pick a QB at that spot, it would probably be Cutler. I feel that drafting any player is a gamble, but even more so for the QB position, because of everything you ask him to do. There are more things that can go wrong. A perfect example of that would be AB. The guy has more talent in his finger than a lot of people, but who knew he was going to come with all these mental quirks? Getting back to Cutler...he, IMO, is very similar to Eli in that he took a horrible team and made them somewhat repectable. If I'm gambling, I have to look for anything that might give me an edge. In the case of Leinart, you look at the fact that the #1 draft pick, most likely, will be his teammate, Bush. This makes me wonder if Leinart succeeded by his merit alone, or if one or probably more people had a lot to do with his success. Taking it one step further, Cutler succeeded enough to throw him somewhere in the first round based mostly on his ability alone, even though you know that when people played Vandy that they said, "If you beat us, you are going to have to run on us, because you are not going to pass!" Defenses didn't know who the hell to defend when they played USC, which had to make it easier to play the QB position.
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03-31-2006, 08:35 AM	#13
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	do not include the combine workouts and the Senior Bowl... Can't he did not work out at either
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03-31-2006, 04:53 PM	#14
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	[quote="FanNJ"] Can't he did not work out at either I'm sorry you missed it but try www.google.com or nfl.com. Don't be surprised.

04-01-2006, 03:03 AM	#17
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	am I the only one that thinks Brees will only be here for one year? that's a tough one papz..........let me ask you this.........what if payton likes what he sees in amac? maybe amac is the future qb of the saints..........in which case, your question......... how long to develope amac? smitty
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04-01-2006, 03:36 PM	#19
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Well if BPA is the route to go it certainly isn't Leinart. There isn't even an overall consensus that he's the best QB in the draft...how can he possibly be BPA? Oh and I'm an LSU fan so I personally HAVE seen Cutler a couple times. BPA in the draft is Reggie Bush. If he's there we pick him. If he's not the D'Brick is the next BPA. He's in such an elite class that no one here can even name the second rated tackle prospect after him. As far as the lack of a backup QB that doesn't need to be addressed until the summer at the latest. Leinart would be nice to have but we stand to gain a lot by trading that pick to a team like the Jets. An adequate backup can be had at any time. In addition to that we still have AMac.
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03-31-2006, 01:15 AM	#11
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	ANOTHER INTERESTING THOUGHT.... maybe we haven't signed a backup QB so people will think that we may still draft Lienart. This might keep people guessing.

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04-01-2006, 01:01 AM	#15
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	If it is a choice between AMac and Lienart, Lienart in a heartbeat as he has vastly more experience in all aspects. If it is a choice between Lienart and any of the remaining FA qb's out there as backup, Lienart because all of them have proven either too incompetent or too feeble. If it is a choice between Lienart and Cutler or Young, that might be a tough call. Lienart is less risky than the other two, but may have less upside.

04-01-2006, 01:03 AM	#16
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	I would take Lienart just to mess with people who think they will get him anyway.

04-01-2006, 02:50 PM	#18
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	As long as it will take to develop Vince Young... probably another 2 years IMO. I like Amac don't get me wrong... but I think we're all looking for a cinderella type story with him. It's like me and my support of Chase Lyman. I know he's probably never going to make any type of impact on this team but I can't stop rooting for him because I know he's talented.

04-01-2006, 03:50 PM	#20
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	How can you say its certainly not Leinart? No one knows that... it may or may not be. Next to Bush in my opinion, it's Leinart... same with you and D'Brick. What does being an LSU fan and seeing Cutler play have to do with anything? Because if you are implying you were impressed with him by seeing him play against us, you've got to be on something. Check out the links underneath. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=252810238 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=243040099 Umm... Winston Justice?