Charles Grant Trade

GoldRush26 · 04-11-2006, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by xan

why trade a proven top 10 DE for anything less than someone of equal caliber. Walker certainly isn't a top 10 receiver, and Williams will take time to develop. I'm with everyone that thinks this is a profoundly stupid idea.

This is the deja vu part. Same people were saying the same thing about Howard last year...how is was a proven top 10 DE and how it woulda been stupid to trade him for the Eagles draft pick, yet letting him walk for absolutely no compensation this year somehow was a better idea. Yep i get your logic.

saintswhodi · 04-11-2006, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Boogro

So, how many sacks does Williams have next year, since you are able to see in the future? It was also said Kijana Carter was the next Eric Dickerson. We don't know what Williams is cause he hasn't played a down. He was also at best, average the two years prior to this last one. No way I throw Grant away for that.

So, you must be a psychic then. How many sacks will Grant have next year? Your guess is as good as mine. You can sit the and say so and so is the next coming of who ever you want to choose. Charles Grant has been average at best.

I don't need to be psychic with Grant. He has played in the NFL, at a high level. Williams hasn't taken a snap. See the difference?

saintswhodi · 04-11-2006, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by GoldRush26

Originally Posted by xan

why trade a proven top 10 DE for anything less than someone of equal caliber. Walker certainly isn't a top 10 receiver, and Williams will take time to develop. I'm with everyone that thinks this is a profoundly stupid idea.

This is the deja vu part. Same people were saying the same thing about Howard last year...how is was a proven top 10 DE and how it woulda been stupid to trade him for the Eagles draft pick, yet letting him walk for absolutely no compensation this year somehow was a better idea. Yep i get your logic.

Who said that? I was ALL for trading Howard last year. I was one of the biggest pushers. Here's the difference though. When people wanted to trade Howard, we had Grant AND Smith, who the majority felt were better. If we tarde Grant, we just have Smith. Not quite the same.

GoldRush26 · 04-11-2006, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by GoldRush26

Originally Posted by xan

why trade a proven top 10 DE for anything less than someone of equal caliber. Walker certainly isn't a top 10 receiver, and Williams will take time to develop. I'm with everyone that thinks this is a profoundly stupid idea.

This is the deja vu part. Same people were saying the same thing about Howard last year...how is was a proven top 10 DE and how it woulda been stupid to trade him for the Eagles draft pick, yet letting him walk for absolutely no compensation this year somehow was a better idea. Yep i get your logic.

Who said that? I was ALL for trading Howard last year. I was one of the biggest pushers. Here's the difference though. When people wanted to trade Howard, we had Grant AND Smith, who the majority felt were better. If we tarde Grant, we just have Smith. Not quite the same.

It's not exactly the same, and all of this is pure speculation anyway. However if the team knows that Grant wont be in their plans in the future it makes sense to get SOMETHING for him, regardless of what DEs we have on the roster.

Boogro · 04-11-2006, 06:11 PM

Obviously there are many pros and cons. If you are willing to pay Grant 5 mil./yr then keep him. Is he worth 5 mil? Absolutely not. Walker is not an elite wr. I feel he was on his way until he got hurt. I guarantee you, that last year (if you plyed FF) that you had him as a top 10 wr if not top six. He played in every game but one, up until last year.

saintbuck · 04-11-2006, 06:14 PM

They both suck ass, it really doesn't matter to me. Trade Grant for a punter then tell Walker eat our ass. We dont need either one.

Boogro · 04-11-2006, 06:20 PM

[/quote]I don't need to be psychic with Grant. He has played in the NFL, at a high level. Williams hasn't taken a snap. See the difference?[quote]

Yes, I see the difference. Well, 2.5 sacks last year doesn't really intrigue me. I think Williams can come in and get that. You can point to every proven player in the draft and say how unproven they are. Bush, Brick, Hawk, Williams and every other person coming to the draft in the future is unproven. So why don't we trade all our picks for proven players?

saintbuck · 04-11-2006, 06:23 PM

I don't need to be psychic with Grant. He has played in the NFL, at a high level. Williams hasn't taken a snap. See the difference?

Yes, I see the difference. Well, 2.5 sacks last year doesn't really intrigue me. I think Williams can come in and get that. You can point to every proven player in the draft and say how unproven they are. Bush, Brick, Hawk, Williams and every other person coming to the draft in the future is unproven. So why don't we trade all our picks for proven players?

Good point Boogro. Cant get any worse than last year.

Tobias-Reiper · 04-11-2006, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by saintbuck

They both suck ass, it really doesn't matter to me. Trade Grant for a punter then tell Walker eat our ass. We dont need either one.

... I prefer syrup...

But seriously, folks... I don't see the infatuation with Walker either... another over-hyped 1-year wonder... guess coming from Green Bay... If I wanted a receiver, I would've gone for Moulds.. The Texans got him for a 5th...

Boogro · 04-11-2006, 06:29 PM

... I prefer syrup...

But seriously, folks... I don't see the infatuation with Walker either... another over-hyped 1-year wonder... guess coming from Green Bay... If I wanted a receiver, I would've gone for Moulds.. The Texans got him for a 5th...

Good Point. Moulds would have been a good addition. I am still shaky about our wr's though. Past Horn and Stallworth we have nothing. Any decent FA'S or players on the block left?

04-11-2006, 06:00 PM	#31
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Originally Posted by xan why trade a proven top 10 DE for anything less than someone of equal caliber. Walker certainly isn't a top 10 receiver, and Williams will take time to develop. I'm with everyone that thinks this is a profoundly stupid idea. This is the deja vu part. Same people were saying the same thing about Howard last year...how is was a proven top 10 DE and how it woulda been stupid to trade him for the Eagles draft pick, yet letting him walk for absolutely no compensation this year somehow was a better idea. Yep i get your logic.
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04-11-2006, 06:03 PM	#32
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by Boogro So, how many sacks does Williams have next year, since you are able to see in the future? It was also said Kijana Carter was the next Eric Dickerson. We don't know what Williams is cause he hasn't played a down. He was also at best, average the two years prior to this last one. No way I throw Grant away for that. So, you must be a psychic then. How many sacks will Grant have next year? Your guess is as good as mine. You can sit the and say so and so is the next coming of who ever you want to choose. Charles Grant has been average at best. I don't need to be psychic with Grant. He has played in the NFL, at a high level. Williams hasn't taken a snap. See the difference?

04-11-2006, 06:06 PM	#33
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by GoldRush26 Originally Posted by xan why trade a proven top 10 DE for anything less than someone of equal caliber. Walker certainly isn't a top 10 receiver, and Williams will take time to develop. I'm with everyone that thinks this is a profoundly stupid idea. This is the deja vu part. Same people were saying the same thing about Howard last year...how is was a proven top 10 DE and how it woulda been stupid to trade him for the Eagles draft pick, yet letting him walk for absolutely no compensation this year somehow was a better idea. Yep i get your logic. Who said that? I was ALL for trading Howard last year. I was one of the biggest pushers. Here's the difference though. When people wanted to trade Howard, we had Grant AND Smith, who the majority felt were better. If we tarde Grant, we just have Smith. Not quite the same.

04-11-2006, 06:10 PM	#34
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by GoldRush26 Originally Posted by xan why trade a proven top 10 DE for anything less than someone of equal caliber. Walker certainly isn't a top 10 receiver, and Williams will take time to develop. I'm with everyone that thinks this is a profoundly stupid idea. This is the deja vu part. Same people were saying the same thing about Howard last year...how is was a proven top 10 DE and how it woulda been stupid to trade him for the Eagles draft pick, yet letting him walk for absolutely no compensation this year somehow was a better idea. Yep i get your logic. Who said that? I was ALL for trading Howard last year. I was one of the biggest pushers. Here's the difference though. When people wanted to trade Howard, we had Grant AND Smith, who the majority felt were better. If we tarde Grant, we just have Smith. Not quite the same. It's not exactly the same, and all of this is pure speculation anyway. However if the team knows that Grant wont be in their plans in the future it makes sense to get SOMETHING for him, regardless of what DEs we have on the roster.
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04-11-2006, 06:23 PM	#38
saintbuck 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mamou, LA. Posts: 313	I don't need to be psychic with Grant. He has played in the NFL, at a high level. Williams hasn't taken a snap. See the difference? Yes, I see the difference. Well, 2.5 sacks last year doesn't really intrigue me. I think Williams can come in and get that. You can point to every proven player in the draft and say how unproven they are. Bush, Brick, Hawk, Williams and every other person coming to the draft in the future is unproven. So why don't we trade all our picks for proven players? Good point Boogro. Cant get any worse than last year.

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04-11-2006, 06:11 PM	#35
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	Obviously there are many pros and cons. If you are willing to pay Grant 5 mil./yr then keep him. Is he worth 5 mil? Absolutely not. Walker is not an elite wr. I feel he was on his way until he got hurt. I guarantee you, that last year (if you plyed FF) that you had him as a top 10 wr if not top six. He played in every game but one, up until last year.

04-11-2006, 06:14 PM	#36
saintbuck 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mamou, LA. Posts: 313	They both suck ass, it really doesn't matter to me. Trade Grant for a punter then tell Walker eat our ass. We dont need either one.

04-11-2006, 06:20 PM	#37
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	[/quote]I don't need to be psychic with Grant. He has played in the NFL, at a high level. Williams hasn't taken a snap. See the difference?[quote] Yes, I see the difference. Well, 2.5 sacks last year doesn't really intrigue me. I think Williams can come in and get that. You can point to every proven player in the draft and say how unproven they are. Bush, Brick, Hawk, Williams and every other person coming to the draft in the future is unproven. So why don't we trade all our picks for proven players?

04-11-2006, 06:23 PM	#39
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by saintbuck They both suck ass, it really doesn't matter to me. Trade Grant for a punter then tell Walker eat our ass. We dont need either one. ... I prefer syrup... But seriously, folks... I don't see the infatuation with Walker either... another over-hyped 1-year wonder... guess coming from Green Bay... If I wanted a receiver, I would've gone for Moulds.. The Texans got him for a 5th...

04-11-2006, 06:29 PM	#40
Boogro Nose Digger Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 341	... I prefer syrup... But seriously, folks... I don't see the infatuation with Walker either... another over-hyped 1-year wonder... guess coming from Green Bay... If I wanted a receiver, I would've gone for Moulds.. The Texans got him for a 5th... Good Point. Moulds would have been a good addition. I am still shaky about our wr's though. Past Horn and Stallworth we have nothing. Any decent FA'S or players on the block left?