Is it okay to talk about Javon now?

BrooksMustGo · 04-17-2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

how about Stallworth and a 6th?

No.

even though you hate me.....

Diva's been a great influence on you B&B, I do believe you've mellowed.

I'm still in your corner about Grant for Walker by the way. The crushing grip of logic has me. I might even give them Joe Horn and Onome Ojo if they'd give us Walker and their #5.

papz · 04-17-2006, 04:50 PM

Who is this Javon Walker guy we speak of? Never heard of him... pass.

8)

SAINTSFAN834 · 04-17-2006, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

I would not give up a second for him. I like him, but he's only had one good season-injured the rest of the time. T.O. was traded for a 3rd (much better receiver than Walker) & Eric Moulds was traded for a 5th (more Pro Bowl seasons than Walker-w/ crappy QBs throwing him the ball I might add). As much as I like Walker, a second is too much considering what he's proved so far. Stallworth had the same type rookie season as Walker w/ less I.R. time in the last 3 seasons. Do you guys think we could get a second for him? I could warm up to giving up a 3rd for him though.

A second next year is too much? Not to me it isn't.

WAY too much. The guy is coming off of a serious injury and has had one good season.

saintswhodi · 04-17-2006, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by SAINTSFAN834

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

I would not give up a second for him. I like him, but he's only had one good season-injured the rest of the time. T.O. was traded for a 3rd (much better receiver than Walker) & Eric Moulds was traded for a 5th (more Pro Bowl seasons than Walker-w/ crappy QBs throwing him the ball I might add). As much as I like Walker, a second is too much considering what he's proved so far. Stallworth had the same type rookie season as Walker w/ less I.R. time in the last 3 seasons. Do you guys think we could get a second for him? I could warm up to giving up a 3rd for him though.

A second next year is too much? Not to me it isn't.

WAY too much. The guy is coming off of a serious injury and has had one good season.

What?? To each his own I guess.

xan · 04-17-2006, 05:07 PM

Who's the guy we drafted last year and got injured 1st day of training camp? Chase Lyman? Trade them straight up. Otherwise, why bother.

saintswhodi · 04-17-2006, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by xan

Who's the guy we drafted last year and got injured 1st day of training camp? Chase Lyman? Trade them straight up. Otherwise, why bother.

Papz is gonna shoot you for that. lol

gandhi1007 · 04-17-2006, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

I would not give up a second for him. I like him, but he's only had one good season-injured the rest of the time. T.O. was traded for a 3rd (much better receiver than Walker) & Eric Moulds was traded for a 5th (more Pro Bowl seasons than Walker-w/ crappy QBs throwing him the ball I might add). As much as I like Walker, a second is too much considering what he's proved so far. Stallworth had the same type rookie season as Walker w/ less I.R. time in the last 3 seasons. Do you guys think we could get a second for him? I could warm up to giving up a 3rd for him though.

A second next year is too much? Not to me it isn't.

YES. He has not proven himself to garnish a second round pick. There are much more proven receivers being traded for 3rd-6th rounders. No offense whodi. I like Walker, but it's not worth it when you think of the receivers we could have got for far less in trade.

papz · 04-17-2006, 05:32 PM

LOL! Chase Lyman... are you crazy?! He's a stud in the making man... though we might be getting fair value in return.

saintswhodi · 04-17-2006, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

I would not give up a second for him. I like him, but he's only had one good season-injured the rest of the time. T.O. was traded for a 3rd (much better receiver than Walker) & Eric Moulds was traded for a 5th (more Pro Bowl seasons than Walker-w/ crappy QBs throwing him the ball I might add). As much as I like Walker, a second is too much considering what he's proved so far. Stallworth had the same type rookie season as Walker w/ less I.R. time in the last 3 seasons. Do you guys think we could get a second for him? I could warm up to giving up a 3rd for him though.

A second next year is too much? Not to me it isn't.

YES. He has not proven himself to garnish a second round pick. There are much more proven receivers being traded for 3rd-6th rounders. No offense whodi. I like Walker, but it's not worth it when you think of the receivers we could have got for far less in trade.

Um, you do realize this would be a second for NEXT YEAR right? A second for NEXT YEAR is worth about as much as, or less than, a third THIS YEAR. A second for NEXT YEAR is not too much to give up for Walker. I strongly have to disagree there. And what is your examples of receivers getting picks this year? Eric Moulds? On his last legs. Brandon Lloyd? Walker is worth about 10 of that guy. Walker is in his prime. A second for NEXT YEAR would be right about perfect. And the great thing about picks for NEXT YEAR, is they can be conditional, based on playing time and stats and such.

TheDeuce · 04-17-2006, 05:44 PM

No way Walker is worthy of a trade for Grant. WR is not a need for us right now. If we made this trade, we'd be opening up a HUGE hole at DE, and would force us to take Mario Williams in the draft. Meanwhile, we wouldn't be able to use that pick to fill one of the REAL holes that we have RIGHT NOW. It's just dumb and not worth it, especially when Stallworth seems to be emerging as a potential #1 receiver and we have Horn wrapped up.

04-17-2006, 04:49 PM	#11
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by BlackandBlue how about Stallworth and a 6th? No. even though you hate me..... Diva's been a great influence on you B&B, I do believe you've mellowed. I'm still in your corner about Grant for Walker by the way. The crushing grip of logic has me. I might even give them Joe Horn and Onome Ojo if they'd give us Walker and their #5.

04-17-2006, 05:04 PM	#13
SAINTSFAN834 Registered Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 70	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I would not give up a second for him. I like him, but he's only had one good season-injured the rest of the time. T.O. was traded for a 3rd (much better receiver than Walker) & Eric Moulds was traded for a 5th (more Pro Bowl seasons than Walker-w/ crappy QBs throwing him the ball I might add). As much as I like Walker, a second is too much considering what he's proved so far. Stallworth had the same type rookie season as Walker w/ less I.R. time in the last 3 seasons. Do you guys think we could get a second for him? I could warm up to giving up a 3rd for him though. A second next year is too much? Not to me it isn't. WAY too much. The guy is coming off of a serious injury and has had one good season.
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04-17-2006, 05:05 PM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by SAINTSFAN834 Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I would not give up a second for him. I like him, but he's only had one good season-injured the rest of the time. T.O. was traded for a 3rd (much better receiver than Walker) & Eric Moulds was traded for a 5th (more Pro Bowl seasons than Walker-w/ crappy QBs throwing him the ball I might add). As much as I like Walker, a second is too much considering what he's proved so far. Stallworth had the same type rookie season as Walker w/ less I.R. time in the last 3 seasons. Do you guys think we could get a second for him? I could warm up to giving up a 3rd for him though. A second next year is too much? Not to me it isn't. WAY too much. The guy is coming off of a serious injury and has had one good season. What?? To each his own I guess.

04-17-2006, 05:16 PM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by xan Who's the guy we drafted last year and got injured 1st day of training camp? Chase Lyman? Trade them straight up. Otherwise, why bother. Papz is gonna shoot you for that. lol

04-17-2006, 05:25 PM	#17
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I would not give up a second for him. I like him, but he's only had one good season-injured the rest of the time. T.O. was traded for a 3rd (much better receiver than Walker) & Eric Moulds was traded for a 5th (more Pro Bowl seasons than Walker-w/ crappy QBs throwing him the ball I might add). As much as I like Walker, a second is too much considering what he's proved so far. Stallworth had the same type rookie season as Walker w/ less I.R. time in the last 3 seasons. Do you guys think we could get a second for him? I could warm up to giving up a 3rd for him though. A second next year is too much? Not to me it isn't. YES. He has not proven himself to garnish a second round pick. There are much more proven receivers being traded for 3rd-6th rounders. No offense whodi. I like Walker, but it's not worth it when you think of the receivers we could have got for far less in trade.

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04-17-2006, 04:50 PM	#12
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Who is this Javon Walker guy we speak of? Never heard of him... pass. 8)

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xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	Who's the guy we drafted last year and got injured 1st day of training camp? Chase Lyman? Trade them straight up. Otherwise, why bother.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	LOL! Chase Lyman... are you crazy?! He's a stud in the making man... though we might be getting fair value in return.

04-17-2006, 05:37 PM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by gandhi1007 I would not give up a second for him. I like him, but he's only had one good season-injured the rest of the time. T.O. was traded for a 3rd (much better receiver than Walker) & Eric Moulds was traded for a 5th (more Pro Bowl seasons than Walker-w/ crappy QBs throwing him the ball I might add). As much as I like Walker, a second is too much considering what he's proved so far. Stallworth had the same type rookie season as Walker w/ less I.R. time in the last 3 seasons. Do you guys think we could get a second for him? I could warm up to giving up a 3rd for him though. A second next year is too much? Not to me it isn't. YES. He has not proven himself to garnish a second round pick. There are much more proven receivers being traded for 3rd-6th rounders. No offense whodi. I like Walker, but it's not worth it when you think of the receivers we could have got for far less in trade. Um, you do realize this would be a second for NEXT YEAR right? A second for NEXT YEAR is worth about as much as, or less than, a third THIS YEAR. A second for NEXT YEAR is not too much to give up for Walker. I strongly have to disagree there. And what is your examples of receivers getting picks this year? Eric Moulds? On his last legs. Brandon Lloyd? Walker is worth about 10 of that guy. Walker is in his prime. A second for NEXT YEAR would be right about perfect. And the great thing about picks for NEXT YEAR, is they can be conditional, based on playing time and stats and such.

04-17-2006, 05:44 PM	#20
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	No way Walker is worthy of a trade for Grant. WR is not a need for us right now. If we made this trade, we'd be opening up a HUGE hole at DE, and would force us to take Mario Williams in the draft. Meanwhile, we wouldn't be able to use that pick to fill one of the REAL holes that we have RIGHT NOW. It's just dumb and not worth it, especially when Stallworth seems to be emerging as a potential #1 receiver and we have Horn wrapped up.
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