i pose a ? to you guys

blackwidows · 04-18-2006, 07:37 PM

I will be glad when all this speculation is over i'm all drafted out if yeah know what I mean.

JimBone · 04-18-2006, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo

Let me see if I have this right then....

Mario Williams > Reggie Bush

but somehow

Mario Williams < Charles Grant?

One college player could be better than another college player. Grant is a proven NFL player. Next issue. Houston actually has no need for a RB. They could use a defender like Williams. Any other issue, i'd gladly clear them up for you. 8)

I need to understand something. Is your infatuation with Charles Grant or is it with all proven NFL players? Ernie Conwell is a proven NFL player. Does that make him better than Vernon Davis?

TheDeuce · 04-18-2006, 10:07 PM

I need to understand something. Is your infatuation with Charles Grant or is it with all proven NFL players? Ernie Conwell is a proven NFL player. Does that make him better than Vernon Davis?

That makes no sense. Conwell blows, Grant is very very good. There is a good chance that Mario Williams will never live up to how good Charles Grant is. There's also a possibility that he'll become one of the best DEs ever to play the game. The point, I believe, that whodi is trying to make is that every player in the draft is a crap shoot. There's no guarantee that any of them will ever turn out to be anything in the NFL. That being said, a player like Charles Grant, has already proven that he can excel in the NFL. Grant is the sure thing, while Williams is the guy with a lot of upside, but some risk too.

pakowitz · 04-18-2006, 10:14 PM

and there is also a chance that grant wont be around next year either... he is in a contract year... and do you really think he wants to come back to NO... or even that the new coaching staff wants him around...

gandhi1007 · 04-18-2006, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

and there is also a chance that grant wont be around next year either... he is in a contract year... and do you really think he wants to come back to NO... or even that the new coaching staff wants him around...

Good point Pak. It seems that with the old regime gone, Payton is slowly weeding out the remaining players from it. I would not be surprised if Grant were to go after this year.

JimBone · 04-19-2006, 12:04 AM

That makes no sense. Conwell blows, Grant is very very good. There is a good chance that Mario Williams will never live up to how good Charles Grant is. There's also a possibility that he'll become one of the best DEs ever to play the game. The point, I believe, that whodi is trying to make is that every player in the draft is a crap shoot. There's no guarantee that any of them will ever turn out to be anything in the NFL. That being said, a player like Charles Grant, has already proven that he can excel in the NFL. Grant is the sure thing, while Williams is the guy with a lot of upside, but some risk too.

Then do this for me, explain to me what makes him a "sure thing"? Is it the 10 sacks one year, or is the 3 sacks the next year? Is it the fact that he is a team leader or is it the fact that he disappears in games? I think Conwell is every bit as inconsistent as Grant. Conwell had 2 good seasons in St. Louis. Not much since. Conwell and Grant both had phenominal games in the opener versus Carolina, and i never heard from them thereafter. Are they really that different? All that being said, i hate Conwell...I like Grant...but i love to make you think that there are some similarities.

GoldRush26 · 04-19-2006, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by TheDeuce

I need to understand something. Is your infatuation with Charles Grant or is it with all proven NFL players? Ernie Conwell is a proven NFL player. Does that make him better than Vernon Davis?

That makes no sense. Conwell blows, Grant is very very good. There is a good chance that Mario Williams will never live up to how good Charles Grant is. There's also a possibility that he'll become one of the best DEs ever to play the game. The point, I believe, that whodi is trying to make is that every player in the draft is a crap shoot. There's no guarantee that any of them will ever turn out to be anything in the NFL. That being said, a player like Charles Grant, has already proven that he can excel in the NFL. Grant is the sure thing, while Williams is the guy with a lot of upside, but some risk too.

It's not that cut and dried. Like many have already stated. Grant is now in his contract year, just as Howard was a couple of years back. We may very well have a situation where we get nothing and Grant walks just as Howard did. No player on this team is indispensable, including Grant. It actually has not a lot to do with how good Mario Williams may or may not be, but more to do with the fact that we may need an adequate replacement to fill in for Charles Grant. And if we are getting a replacement for Grant, then I think Williams more than fits the bill. So trading Grant this year would be the time to do it, because we would have to franchise him after this season to trade him, which would put us at a huge disadvantage in bargaining.

saintswhodi · 04-19-2006, 09:48 AM

Someone post ONE article where Charles Grant says he does not wanna be here next year. Just one. If you can't, you can push along with that BS "he may not be here next year" crap. We HAD the chance to trade Howard, we didn't. Howard MADE IT CLEAR WHEN WE FRANCHISED HIM, he did not want to be franchised, he did not want to play DT any more, and he did not want to be here. Guess what? We franchised him, made him play DT, and didn't trade him. The situations aren't even similar except they both play DE. If you can't find an article with grant saying he won't be here, it's simply stupid to keep saying "well, he might not be here." Ya know what, he might be here as well, and might wanna be here. I guess noone thought of that.

JimBone · 04-19-2006, 09:53 AM

Well, maybe he does want to be here, and maybe the Saints want him here...but maybe, just maybe, he and his agent want to be paid like a top 10 DE like whodi thinks he is...but Mr. Benson and Mr. Loomis think he is only a top25 DE and they cant come together on the money. Then he walks for nothing. Not because he didnt want to be here, but because of a difference of opinion...(MONEY)

Now i guess whodi will say "Charles Grant doesnt play the game for money, he plays for pride!"

saintswhodi · 04-19-2006, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by JimBone

Well, maybe he does want to be here, and maybe the Saints want him here...but maybe, just maybe, he and his agent want to be paid like a top 10 DE like whodi thinks he is...but Mr. Benson and Mr. Loomis think he is only a top25 DE and they cant come together on the money. Then he walks for nothing. Not because he didnt want to be here, but because of a difference of opinion...(MONEY)

Now i guess whodi will say "Charles Grant doesnt play the game for money, he plays for pride!"

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04-18-2006, 07:37 PM	#31
blackwidows 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 245	I will be glad when all this speculation is over i'm all drafted out if yeah know what I mean.
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04-18-2006, 09:26 PM	#32
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Originally Posted by saintswhodi Originally Posted by BrooksMustGo Let me see if I have this right then.... Mario Williams > Reggie Bush but somehow Mario Williams < Charles Grant? One college player could be better than another college player. Grant is a proven NFL player. Next issue. Houston actually has no need for a RB. They could use a defender like Williams. Any other issue, i'd gladly clear them up for you. 8) I need to understand something. Is your infatuation with Charles Grant or is it with all proven NFL players? Ernie Conwell is a proven NFL player. Does that make him better than Vernon Davis?

04-18-2006, 10:07 PM	#33
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	I need to understand something. Is your infatuation with Charles Grant or is it with all proven NFL players? Ernie Conwell is a proven NFL player. Does that make him better than Vernon Davis? That makes no sense. Conwell blows, Grant is very very good. There is a good chance that Mario Williams will never live up to how good Charles Grant is. There's also a possibility that he'll become one of the best DEs ever to play the game. The point, I believe, that whodi is trying to make is that every player in the draft is a crap shoot. There's no guarantee that any of them will ever turn out to be anything in the NFL. That being said, a player like Charles Grant, has already proven that he can excel in the NFL. Grant is the sure thing, while Williams is the guy with a lot of upside, but some risk too.
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04-18-2006, 10:17 PM	#35
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by pakowitz and there is also a chance that grant wont be around next year either... he is in a contract year... and do you really think he wants to come back to NO... or even that the new coaching staff wants him around... Good point Pak. It seems that with the old regime gone, Payton is slowly weeding out the remaining players from it. I would not be surprised if Grant were to go after this year.

04-19-2006, 02:27 AM	#37
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Originally Posted by TheDeuce I need to understand something. Is your infatuation with Charles Grant or is it with all proven NFL players? Ernie Conwell is a proven NFL player. Does that make him better than Vernon Davis? That makes no sense. Conwell blows, Grant is very very good. There is a good chance that Mario Williams will never live up to how good Charles Grant is. There's also a possibility that he'll become one of the best DEs ever to play the game. The point, I believe, that whodi is trying to make is that every player in the draft is a crap shoot. There's no guarantee that any of them will ever turn out to be anything in the NFL. That being said, a player like Charles Grant, has already proven that he can excel in the NFL. Grant is the sure thing, while Williams is the guy with a lot of upside, but some risk too. It's not that cut and dried. Like many have already stated. Grant is now in his contract year, just as Howard was a couple of years back. We may very well have a situation where we get nothing and Grant walks just as Howard did. No player on this team is indispensable, including Grant. It actually has not a lot to do with how good Mario Williams may or may not be, but more to do with the fact that we may need an adequate replacement to fill in for Charles Grant. And if we are getting a replacement for Grant, then I think Williams more than fits the bill. So trading Grant this year would be the time to do it, because we would have to franchise him after this season to trade him, which would put us at a huge disadvantage in bargaining.
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04-18-2006, 10:14 PM	#34
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	and there is also a chance that grant wont be around next year either... he is in a contract year... and do you really think he wants to come back to NO... or even that the new coaching staff wants him around...

04-19-2006, 12:04 AM	#36
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	That makes no sense. Conwell blows, Grant is very very good. There is a good chance that Mario Williams will never live up to how good Charles Grant is. There's also a possibility that he'll become one of the best DEs ever to play the game. The point, I believe, that whodi is trying to make is that every player in the draft is a crap shoot. There's no guarantee that any of them will ever turn out to be anything in the NFL. That being said, a player like Charles Grant, has already proven that he can excel in the NFL. Grant is the sure thing, while Williams is the guy with a lot of upside, but some risk too. Then do this for me, explain to me what makes him a "sure thing"? Is it the 10 sacks one year, or is the 3 sacks the next year? Is it the fact that he is a team leader or is it the fact that he disappears in games? I think Conwell is every bit as inconsistent as Grant. Conwell had 2 good seasons in St. Louis. Not much since. Conwell and Grant both had phenominal games in the opener versus Carolina, and i never heard from them thereafter. Are they really that different? All that being said, i hate Conwell...I like Grant...but i love to make you think that there are some similarities.

04-19-2006, 09:48 AM	#38
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Someone post ONE article where Charles Grant says he does not wanna be here next year. Just one. If you can't, you can push along with that BS "he may not be here next year" crap. We HAD the chance to trade Howard, we didn't. Howard MADE IT CLEAR WHEN WE FRANCHISED HIM, he did not want to be franchised, he did not want to play DT any more, and he did not want to be here. Guess what? We franchised him, made him play DT, and didn't trade him. The situations aren't even similar except they both play DE. If you can't find an article with grant saying he won't be here, it's simply stupid to keep saying "well, he might not be here." Ya know what, he might be here as well, and might wanna be here. I guess noone thought of that.

04-19-2006, 09:53 AM	#39
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Well, maybe he does want to be here, and maybe the Saints want him here...but maybe, just maybe, he and his agent want to be paid like a top 10 DE like whodi thinks he is...but Mr. Benson and Mr. Loomis think he is only a top25 DE and they cant come together on the money. Then he walks for nothing. Not because he didnt want to be here, but because of a difference of opinion...(MONEY) Now i guess whodi will say "Charles Grant doesnt play the game for money, he plays for pride!"

04-19-2006, 10:00 AM	#40
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by JimBone Well, maybe he does want to be here, and maybe the Saints want him here...but maybe, just maybe, he and his agent want to be paid like a top 10 DE like whodi thinks he is...but Mr. Benson and Mr. Loomis think he is only a top25 DE and they cant come together on the money. Then he walks for nothing. Not because he didnt want to be here, but because of a difference of opinion...(MONEY) Now i guess whodi will say "Charles Grant doesnt play the game for money, he plays for pride!" this message removed for content.. mods note: if your going to reply to the man... do it with some information... not by talking about him...