Davis?????

whodatsaintsfan26 · 04-22-2006, 02:09 PM

Kellen Winslow Jr was a cant miss prospect 3 years ago. He was the next great thing. Hurt his first two years. There is no such thing as a cant miss prospect.

hagan714 · 04-22-2006, 02:18 PM

Kellen Winslow Jr = stupidity that does not count
none of the above mention even came close to doing the things he did with much less offensive support or at the combine. keep trying to convience me otherwise. his up side is only overshadowed by bush. nothing is sure but he is such a good weapon all over the field

dwiley21 · 04-22-2006, 03:29 PM

Shockey has been a staple with the giants, Gates (though undrafted) has done wonders in SD, Shannon Sharpe was the MAN in Denver, and Gonzalez is a great weapon in KC! Davis would definitaly give Brees a "Gates" type option in NO. Add Hilton for a 2 TE set and that is a major mismatch for any D to contend with. While I think Hawk or D'brick would be the better pick I don't think I'd complain if the Saints draft Davis.

pakowitz · 04-22-2006, 03:32 PM

i wouldnt complain about it if we are at #7...

dwiley21 · 04-22-2006, 03:36 PM

I guess I should Clarify that!

ONLY IF THEY TRADE DOWN!!!

gandhi1007 · 04-22-2006, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

i wouldnt complain about it if we are at #7...

Me either, but I would prefer Haloti Ngata. It is our biggest need & at that point Ngata, Vernon Davis, & Michael Huff would be the best available players. I still want Hawk though, so I hope we don't go down that far unless Ditka makes the deal for Oakland.

pakowitz · 04-22-2006, 03:47 PM

see the problem i have with taking ngata is that DTs taken in the first round are more likely to bust in my opinion... i might be wrong i havent really checked the % of first round DTs who arent but they seem more often then not to me...

gandhi1007 · 04-22-2006, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

see the problem i have with taking ngata is that DTs taken in the first round are more likely to bust in my opinion... i might be wrong i havent really checked the % of first round DTs who arent but they seem more often then not to me...

Funny... I just heard Mel Kiper say today on ESPN that the biggest 1st round bust percentages are from defensive linemen.

Guess what position had the next highest bust percentage? Yep, Tight Ends.

saintswhodi · 04-22-2006, 03:54 PM

Davis in the first? Um, no thanks. How many playoff wins Gates, Gonzales, Shockey etc. have? Pittsburgh won with a rookie TE playing, who isn't even considered in the same league as Vernon Davis. I will admit Davis is a freak, but he's not a freak for this team. I just jeep wondering why noone is willing to give our offensive players a chance with a good QB. I don't think ANYONE on this offense can be judged fully coming from having Brooks as a QB, except Joe Horn, who had the benefit of 85% of the passes going his way. LEt's see how Hilton does with a QB who knows what touch is, and knows a 6'8" TE can't catch fastballs low and away. I know we don't have a lot of depth, but you don't spend a top 10 pick in the draft on depth, that's what the second day is for. No thanks on Davis.

pakowitz · 04-22-2006, 04:04 PM

ok so at 7 who do you take whodi?

04-22-2006, 03:29 PM	#13
dwiley21 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 216	Shockey has been a staple with the giants, Gates (though undrafted) has done wonders in SD, Shannon Sharpe was the MAN in Denver, and Gonzalez is a great weapon in KC! Davis would definitaly give Brees a "Gates" type option in NO. Add Hilton for a 2 TE set and that is a major mismatch for any D to contend with. While I think Hawk or D'brick would be the better pick I don't think I'd complain if the Saints draft Davis.
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04-22-2006, 03:36 PM	#15
dwiley21 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 216	I guess I should Clarify that! ONLY IF THEY TRADE DOWN!!!
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gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by pakowitz i wouldnt complain about it if we are at #7... Me either, but I would prefer Haloti Ngata. It is our biggest need & at that point Ngata, Vernon Davis, & Michael Huff would be the best available players. I still want Hawk though, so I hope we don't go down that far unless Ditka makes the deal for Oakland.

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gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by pakowitz see the problem i have with taking ngata is that DTs taken in the first round are more likely to bust in my opinion... i might be wrong i havent really checked the % of first round DTs who arent but they seem more often then not to me... Funny... I just heard Mel Kiper say today on ESPN that the biggest 1st round bust percentages are from defensive linemen. Guess what position had the next highest bust percentage? Yep, Tight Ends.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Kellen Winslow Jr = stupidity that does not count none of the above mention even came close to doing the things he did with much less offensive support or at the combine. keep trying to convience me otherwise. his up side is only overshadowed by bush. nothing is sure but he is such a good weapon all over the field

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pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	i wouldnt complain about it if we are at #7...

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pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	see the problem i have with taking ngata is that DTs taken in the first round are more likely to bust in my opinion... i might be wrong i havent really checked the % of first round DTs who arent but they seem more often then not to me...

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Davis in the first? Um, no thanks. How many playoff wins Gates, Gonzales, Shockey etc. have? Pittsburgh won with a rookie TE playing, who isn't even considered in the same league as Vernon Davis. I will admit Davis is a freak, but he's not a freak for this team. I just jeep wondering why noone is willing to give our offensive players a chance with a good QB. I don't think ANYONE on this offense can be judged fully coming from having Brooks as a QB, except Joe Horn, who had the benefit of 85% of the passes going his way. LEt's see how Hilton does with a QB who knows what touch is, and knows a 6'8" TE can't catch fastballs low and away. I know we don't have a lot of depth, but you don't spend a top 10 pick in the draft on depth, that's what the second day is for. No thanks on Davis.

04-22-2006, 04:04 PM	#20
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	ok so at 7 who do you take whodi?