Davis?????

pakowitz · 04-22-2006, 05:03 PM

Davis in the first? Um, no thanks. How many playoff wins Gates, Gonzales, Shockey etc. have? Pittsburgh won with a rookie TE playing, who isn't even considered in the same league as Vernon Davis. I will admit Davis is a freak, but he's not a freak for this team. I just jeep wondering why noone is willing to give our offensive players a chance with a good QB. I don't think ANYONE on this offense can be judged fully coming from having Brooks as a QB, except Joe Horn, who had the benefit of 85% of the passes going his way. LEt's see how Hilton does with a QB who knows what touch is, and knows a 6'8" TE can't catch fastballs low and away. I know we don't have a lot of depth, but you don't spend a top 10 pick in the draft on depth, that's what the second day is for. No thanks on Davis

didnt todd heap win a SB? he is a pretty good TE i must say.. what about moose johnson? hmmm.. mark chamura?.... oh... and that rookie TE from pittsburg? oh he graded out at 92...

and id bet that 90% of NFL GMs would tell you that you draft BPA, not for need...

gandhi1007 · 04-22-2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

.. what about moose johnson?

Pak, Darryl "Moose" Johnston was a FB, not a tight end. Jay Novacek was the Cowboys' tight end during their dynasty years. But hey, what about Shannon Sharpe, huh? He was pretty darn good.

pakowitz · 04-22-2006, 05:37 PM

yup ur right... novacek... it was one of them damn cowboys....

saintswhodi · 04-22-2006, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

ok so at 7 who do you take whodi?

Bunkley, Ngata, Huff. If Hawk is not there.

wheelman · 04-22-2006, 06:09 PM

Don't forget the Patriots' stable of tight ends.

saintswhodi · 04-22-2006, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

Davis in the first? Um, no thanks. How many playoff wins Gates, Gonzales, Shockey etc. have? Pittsburgh won with a rookie TE playing, who isn't even considered in the same league as Vernon Davis. I will admit Davis is a freak, but he's not a freak for this team. I just jeep wondering why noone is willing to give our offensive players a chance with a good QB. I don't think ANYONE on this offense can be judged fully coming from having Brooks as a QB, except Joe Horn, who had the benefit of 85% of the passes going his way. LEt's see how Hilton does with a QB who knows what touch is, and knows a 6'8" TE can't catch fastballs low and away. I know we don't have a lot of depth, but you don't spend a top 10 pick in the draft on depth, that's what the second day is for. No thanks on Davis

didnt todd heap win a SB? he is a pretty good TE i must say.. what about moose johnson? hmmm.. mark chamura?.... oh... and that rookie TE from pittsburg? oh he graded out at 92...

and id bet that 90% of NFL GMs would tell you that you draft BPA, not for need...

*sigh* God I hate when people arguing without knowing their facts. First, as ghnadi pointed out, Johnston was a FB. Second, Heap was not even with the Ravens when they won the Superbowl. Wow. Mark Chmura? Played with a HOF QB. I guarantee you if you ask ANY Green Bay fan how much Chmura had to do with them winning the Superbowl and I bet they would say very little. Besides the fact that NONE of these were the TEs who were mentioned. As far as Heath Miller from Pittsburgh, Davis rates out at a 98. If 98 higher than 92? Back to the drawing board.

JimBone · 04-22-2006, 06:37 PM

Well, if we fo go back to 7, i think Davis is the only playmaker left on the board. I am weary of Ngata and Bunkley is one of those Florida State boys so you never know what kind of trouble he is gonna get into. At least Davis gives us another guy to make plays. I say Davis or Huff at 7.

saintswhodi · 04-22-2006, 07:52 PM

I could go with Huff there, depending on what the plan is for Dwight Smith. I am so much more for us taking a defensive star with our first pick over any offensive player, with the excpetion of D'Brick.

JimBone · 04-22-2006, 07:55 PM

I could live with Huff only if the Saints see him as a corner. I know some teams see him differently, but if they feel he can come in a play right away at corner, that eliminates a huge hole in the secondary. I know it wouldnt be ideal, but at least i am not counting on Fred Thomas and Jason Craft every Sunday.

saintswhodi · 04-22-2006, 07:59 PM

Huff has the size and speed to play corner, so it may not be out of the question, but as a rookie, i'd rather keep him at safety and move Dwight Smith back to corner, where he had played extensively with Tampa Bay, and where he wanted to play as a FA until he decided to pull a beebee gun in a drive thru and took the first offer that came, which was us and a safety job.

04-22-2006, 05:20 PM	#22
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by pakowitz .. what about moose johnson? Pak, Darryl "Moose" Johnston was a FB, not a tight end. Jay Novacek was the Cowboys' tight end during their dynasty years. But hey, what about Shannon Sharpe, huh? He was pretty darn good.

04-22-2006, 06:08 PM	#24
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by pakowitz ok so at 7 who do you take whodi? Bunkley, Ngata, Huff. If Hawk is not there.

04-22-2006, 06:09 PM	#25
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Don't forget the Patriots' stable of tight ends.
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04-22-2006, 06:12 PM	#26
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by pakowitz Davis in the first? Um, no thanks. How many playoff wins Gates, Gonzales, Shockey etc. have? Pittsburgh won with a rookie TE playing, who isn't even considered in the same league as Vernon Davis. I will admit Davis is a freak, but he's not a freak for this team. I just jeep wondering why noone is willing to give our offensive players a chance with a good QB. I don't think ANYONE on this offense can be judged fully coming from having Brooks as a QB, except Joe Horn, who had the benefit of 85% of the passes going his way. LEt's see how Hilton does with a QB who knows what touch is, and knows a 6'8" TE can't catch fastballs low and away. I know we don't have a lot of depth, but you don't spend a top 10 pick in the draft on depth, that's what the second day is for. No thanks on Davis didnt todd heap win a SB? he is a pretty good TE i must say.. what about moose johnson? hmmm.. mark chamura?.... oh... and that rookie TE from pittsburg? oh he graded out at 92... and id bet that 90% of NFL GMs would tell you that you draft BPA, not for need... sigh God I hate when people arguing without knowing their facts. First, as ghnadi pointed out, Johnston was a FB. Second, Heap was not even with the Ravens when they won the Superbowl. Wow. Mark Chmura? Played with a HOF QB. I guarantee you if you ask ANY Green Bay fan how much Chmura had to do with them winning the Superbowl and I bet they would say very little. Besides the fact that NONE of these were the TEs who were mentioned. As far as Heath Miller from Pittsburgh, Davis rates out at a 98. If 98 higher than 92? Back to the drawing board.

04-22-2006, 05:03 PM	#21
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Davis in the first? Um, no thanks. How many playoff wins Gates, Gonzales, Shockey etc. have? Pittsburgh won with a rookie TE playing, who isn't even considered in the same league as Vernon Davis. I will admit Davis is a freak, but he's not a freak for this team. I just jeep wondering why noone is willing to give our offensive players a chance with a good QB. I don't think ANYONE on this offense can be judged fully coming from having Brooks as a QB, except Joe Horn, who had the benefit of 85% of the passes going his way. LEt's see how Hilton does with a QB who knows what touch is, and knows a 6'8" TE can't catch fastballs low and away. I know we don't have a lot of depth, but you don't spend a top 10 pick in the draft on depth, that's what the second day is for. No thanks on Davis didnt todd heap win a SB? he is a pretty good TE i must say.. what about moose johnson? hmmm.. mark chamura?.... oh... and that rookie TE from pittsburg? oh he graded out at 92... and id bet that 90% of NFL GMs would tell you that you draft BPA, not for need...

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04-22-2006, 05:37 PM	#23
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	yup ur right... novacek... it was one of them damn cowboys....

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JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Well, if we fo go back to 7, i think Davis is the only playmaker left on the board. I am weary of Ngata and Bunkley is one of those Florida State boys so you never know what kind of trouble he is gonna get into. At least Davis gives us another guy to make plays. I say Davis or Huff at 7.

04-22-2006, 07:52 PM	#28
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I could go with Huff there, depending on what the plan is for Dwight Smith. I am so much more for us taking a defensive star with our first pick over any offensive player, with the excpetion of D'Brick.

04-22-2006, 07:55 PM	#29
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	I could live with Huff only if the Saints see him as a corner. I know some teams see him differently, but if they feel he can come in a play right away at corner, that eliminates a huge hole in the secondary. I know it wouldnt be ideal, but at least i am not counting on Fred Thomas and Jason Craft every Sunday.

04-22-2006, 07:59 PM	#30
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Huff has the size and speed to play corner, so it may not be out of the question, but as a rookie, i'd rather keep him at safety and move Dwight Smith back to corner, where he had played extensively with Tampa Bay, and where he wanted to play as a FA until he decided to pull a beebee gun in a drive thru and took the first offer that came, which was us and a safety job.