Stallworth Jacksonville

gandhi1007 · 05-15-2006, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

You only highlighted the good parts. Now, like I told Kelley, if we were getting a Sheppard or Brown, I could see parting with Donte. But not just for the sake of getting rid of him, and definitely not cause of some rookies.

I think you missed my point, Whodi. I like Stallworth. I would not even ponder trading him just for the sake of trading. My point from the beginning of this thread is that we have need areas I think we could address by trading him (CB, LB, DT, or heck-even another safety

. The last one was a joke by the way). Now if we could get a talent for him at one of those needs positions, I'm all for it. If not, no way do I want to trade him. His stock is high on the trade market now & this could be our chance to bolster the defense. I'm not saying Haas or Colston can be Stallworth right away (although something about Colston makes my hair stand up when I think of his upside). And...yes, I read the part about Colston having to learn different routes. The guy played at Hofstra for Christ's sakes. I doubt very seriously that they had a complex offense.
Here's a quote from West coach Dennis Franchione after the East-West Shrine Game.......

"The best player on the East side was Hofstra WR Marques Colston. Colston has tremendous size for the WR position, and has excellent body control. He knows how to use his size, and his ability to go up and get the ball is very impressive. He had five catches for 82 yards and a touchdown on the game, and came within a yard of winning the game for the East with eight seconds left. He caught a jump ball at the one yard line and gave his team one more shot to win the game, but the East was stopped at the two and the game was over. Colston may have improved his stock as much as anyone in this game. His size and body control are definitely NFL caliber. If he can post some impressive workout numbers, he will be a big riser come April."

saintswhodi · 05-15-2006, 02:21 PM

That quote is against college guys, but point taken. Still, I don't really wanna go into the season counting too heavily on some undrafted guy. I can't get too excited about that no matter how much good stuff I read. I can get excited about Stallworth catching balls from Brees though. I do dig what you are saying, and I have said the same thing, if we get a starter caliber player at a need position for Stallworth, we may have to go for it. I am a big Devery fan as well and I hope he can step in and be the deep threat we need. But basing trading Donte on Colston's "potential," ugh. I like Haas though. And I am not trying to knock Colston. Hopefully we just keep Donte and don't have to worry about it, but if we trade him, the player we get in return must be starter quality. And hopefully will be on defense. And won't be a DE or safety.

gandhi1007 · 05-15-2006, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

I don't really wanna go into the season counting too heavily on some undrafted guy.

Haas & Colston were both drafted players. Haas in the 6th & Colston in the 7th, but I do understand your point.

saintswhodi · 05-15-2006, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

I don't really wanna go into the season counting too heavily on some undrafted guy.

Haas & Colston were both drafted players. Haas in the 6th & Colston in the 7th, but I do understand your point.

I knew we drafted Haas but Colston was our second 7th round pick? Good as undrafted.

gandhi1007 · 05-15-2006, 04:56 PM

I knew we drafted Haas but Colston was our second 7th round pick? Good as undrafted.

You're just hatin' on my boy aren't you?

It's o.k......in a couple of years, he'll have you converted into a believer. No kool-aid needed.

9thWardDesire · 05-15-2006, 07:14 PM

I WAS HOPING STALLWORTH FOR DIET PEPSI MACHINE!! (just a thought)

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GoldRush26 · 05-15-2006, 11:19 PM

I really don't understand this love affair with Stallworth. Geez he's not irreplaceable talent. I don't want him to go but if he does I won't lose any sleep over it. Could he have a breakout season next season? Absolutely, but I could name about 5 other recievers on the cusp of "breaking out" themselves that could easily come in and replace Stallworth and the team would do no worse. He's not a special talent, not a #1 talent IMO. I've never seen him make any spectacular catches, and he doesn't go up the middle at all. Again....so you guys don't misunderstand me, I'm not in favor of trading him at all costs, but he's absolutely replaceable. As far as #2 recievers go, he's probably near the middle of the pack, maybe a little better. I counted 12 #2 recievers that I would take over him and at least 2 #3s.

I can't think of many recievers in recent memory that were mediocre with one QB and were outstanding with another. I think what we've seen from Stallworth thus far is more or less what we're gonna get.

ssmitty · 05-16-2006, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by GoldRush26

I really don't understand this love affair with Stallworth. Geez he's not irreplaceable talent. I don't want him to go but if he does I won't lose any sleep over it. Could he have a breakout season next season? Absolutely, but I could name about 5 other recievers on the cusp of "breaking out" themselves that could easily come in and replace Stallworth and the team would do no worse. He's not a special talent, not a #1 talent IMO. I've never seen him make any spectacular catches, and he doesn't go up the middle at all. Again....so you guys don't misunderstand me, I'm not in favor of trading him at all costs, but he's absolutely replaceable. As far as #2 recievers go, he's probably near the middle of the pack, maybe a little better. I counted 12 #2 recievers that I would take over him and at least 2 #3s.

I can't think of many recievers in recent memory that were mediocre with one QB and were outstanding with another. I think what we've seen from Stallworth thus far is more or less what we're gonna get.

nor can i. i don't recall horn having too many problems catching balls from ab.........
a good reciever is suppose to catch the ball, if it is catchable, and in a lot of cases, catch it if it's not catchable.........why did we draft donte in the first place?
because he was a burner with the threat to score from anywhere on the field. however, donte is not a possession reciever.........
and lord knows, we need some........horn, who is a possession reciever and probably the best reciever the saints have ever had, has lost a step, but would i trade him? no........but the times they are a changing.........we will have new faces everywhere and this includes the recievers position...............smitty

BoudinSandwich · 05-16-2006, 06:43 AM

2 Points

1) I do not consider Brooks a legit NFL QB, so my verdict on Stallworth is still out.

2) I wouldn't mind D.P. MACHINE on our team, either.

saintswhodi · 05-16-2006, 09:05 AM

Excellent points ghandi. Well, at least the first one.

2 more points:

1) Horn got 90% of ABs passes thrown his way

2) Horn led the team in drops the last couple of seasons, and just being hurt last year prob prevented him from doing it again. Now, being the recipient of so many balls his way, is Horn just butter fingers or could a garbage QB have had anything to do with his drops? Take your pick.

Anyone who says Donte hasn't done anything special is not watching Saints games or something. River City Relay? It was Donte making THREE defendes miss to get that started. Guess who has the Saints rookie record for receiving TDs? Donte, in a season cut short by injury. Stop hatin.

05-15-2006, 01:58 PM	#41
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by saintswhodi You only highlighted the good parts. Now, like I told Kelley, if we were getting a Sheppard or Brown, I could see parting with Donte. But not just for the sake of getting rid of him, and definitely not cause of some rookies. I think you missed my point, Whodi. I like Stallworth. I would not even ponder trading him just for the sake of trading. My point from the beginning of this thread is that we have need areas I think we could address by trading him (CB, LB, DT, or heck-even another safety . The last one was a joke by the way). Now if we could get a talent for him at one of those needs positions, I'm all for it. If not, no way do I want to trade him. His stock is high on the trade market now & this could be our chance to bolster the defense. I'm not saying Haas or Colston can be Stallworth right away (although something about Colston makes my hair stand up when I think of his upside). And...yes, I read the part about Colston having to learn different routes. The guy played at Hofstra for Christ's sakes. I doubt very seriously that they had a complex offense. Here's a quote from West coach Dennis Franchione after the East-West Shrine Game....... "The best player on the East side was Hofstra WR Marques Colston. Colston has tremendous size for the WR position, and has excellent body control. He knows how to use his size, and his ability to go up and get the ball is very impressive. He had five catches for 82 yards and a touchdown on the game, and came within a yard of winning the game for the East with eight seconds left. He caught a jump ball at the one yard line and gave his team one more shot to win the game, but the East was stopped at the two and the game was over. Colston may have improved his stock as much as anyone in this game. His size and body control are definitely NFL caliber. If he can post some impressive workout numbers, he will be a big riser come April."
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05-15-2006, 04:11 PM	#43
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Originally Posted by saintswhodi I don't really wanna go into the season counting too heavily on some undrafted guy. Haas & Colston were both drafted players. Haas in the 6th & Colston in the 7th, but I do understand your point.

05-15-2006, 04:22 PM	#44
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Originally Posted by saintswhodi I don't really wanna go into the season counting too heavily on some undrafted guy. Haas & Colston were both drafted players. Haas in the 6th & Colston in the 7th, but I do understand your point. I knew we drafted Haas but Colston was our second 7th round pick? Good as undrafted.

05-15-2006, 11:19 PM	#47
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	I really don't understand this love affair with Stallworth. Geez he's not irreplaceable talent. I don't want him to go but if he does I won't lose any sleep over it. Could he have a breakout season next season? Absolutely, but I could name about 5 other recievers on the cusp of "breaking out" themselves that could easily come in and replace Stallworth and the team would do no worse. He's not a special talent, not a #1 talent IMO. I've never seen him make any spectacular catches, and he doesn't go up the middle at all. Again....so you guys don't misunderstand me, I'm not in favor of trading him at all costs, but he's absolutely replaceable. As far as #2 recievers go, he's probably near the middle of the pack, maybe a little better. I counted 12 #2 recievers that I would take over him and at least 2 #3s. I can't think of many recievers in recent memory that were mediocre with one QB and were outstanding with another. I think what we've seen from Stallworth thus far is more or less what we're gonna get.
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05-16-2006, 03:59 AM	#48
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	Originally Posted by GoldRush26 I really don't understand this love affair with Stallworth. Geez he's not irreplaceable talent. I don't want him to go but if he does I won't lose any sleep over it. Could he have a breakout season next season? Absolutely, but I could name about 5 other recievers on the cusp of "breaking out" themselves that could easily come in and replace Stallworth and the team would do no worse. He's not a special talent, not a #1 talent IMO. I've never seen him make any spectacular catches, and he doesn't go up the middle at all. Again....so you guys don't misunderstand me, I'm not in favor of trading him at all costs, but he's absolutely replaceable. As far as #2 recievers go, he's probably near the middle of the pack, maybe a little better. I counted 12 #2 recievers that I would take over him and at least 2 #3s. I can't think of many recievers in recent memory that were mediocre with one QB and were outstanding with another. I think what we've seen from Stallworth thus far is more or less what we're gonna get. nor can i. i don't recall horn having too many problems catching balls from ab......... a good reciever is suppose to catch the ball, if it is catchable, and in a lot of cases, catch it if it's not catchable.........why did we draft donte in the first place? because he was a burner with the threat to score from anywhere on the field. however, donte is not a possession reciever......... and lord knows, we need some........horn, who is a possession reciever and probably the best reciever the saints have ever had, has lost a step, but would i trade him? no........but the times they are a changing.........we will have new faces everywhere and this includes the recievers position...............smitty
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05-15-2006, 02:21 PM	#42
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	That quote is against college guys, but point taken. Still, I don't really wanna go into the season counting too heavily on some undrafted guy. I can't get too excited about that no matter how much good stuff I read. I can get excited about Stallworth catching balls from Brees though. I do dig what you are saying, and I have said the same thing, if we get a starter caliber player at a need position for Stallworth, we may have to go for it. I am a big Devery fan as well and I hope he can step in and be the deep threat we need. But basing trading Donte on Colston's "potential," ugh. I like Haas though. And I am not trying to knock Colston. Hopefully we just keep Donte and don't have to worry about it, but if we trade him, the player we get in return must be starter quality. And hopefully will be on defense. And won't be a DE or safety.

05-15-2006, 04:56 PM	#45
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	I knew we drafted Haas but Colston was our second 7th round pick? Good as undrafted. You're just hatin' on my boy aren't you? It's o.k......in a couple of years, he'll have you converted into a believer. No kool-aid needed.

05-15-2006, 07:14 PM	#46
9thWardDesire The Owner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New Orleans, LA (10/1/13) Posts: 791	I WAS HOPING STALLWORTH FOR DIET PEPSI MACHINE!! (just a thought) JOHNNY CAGE WINS!!

05-16-2006, 06:43 AM	#49
BoudinSandwich OldiesDJ Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 951 Blog Entries: 12	2 Points 1) I do not consider Brooks a legit NFL QB, so my verdict on Stallworth is still out. 2) I wouldn't mind D.P. MACHINE on our team, either.

05-16-2006, 09:05 AM	#50
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Excellent points ghandi. Well, at least the first one. 2 more points: 1) Horn got 90% of ABs passes thrown his way 2) Horn led the team in drops the last couple of seasons, and just being hurt last year prob prevented him from doing it again. Now, being the recipient of so many balls his way, is Horn just butter fingers or could a garbage QB have had anything to do with his drops? Take your pick. Anyone who says Donte hasn't done anything special is not watching Saints games or something. River City Relay? It was Donte making THREE defendes miss to get that started. Guess who has the Saints rookie record for receiving TDs? Donte, in a season cut short by injury. Stop hatin.