Stallworth Jacksonville

saintswhodi · 05-16-2006, 07:55 PM

Hey Goldrush, my bad bro. Believe what you want. I don't want this to go on forever. We have different opinions of Stallworth. It's all good.

JimBone · 05-21-2006, 02:50 AM

I have been gone for 4 days and i see this discussion sort of got out of hand. Some valid points, some questionable points...but the one that i pointed out that cannot be disputed...is that he has been in the league for 4 YEARS and has NEVER had back to back games with 70 yards receiving...thats not even a hard number to reach. I would love to hear someone make sense of that. My only negative on Donte is that he isnt consistent enough to be counted on.

Shroomdaddy · 05-21-2006, 10:38 AM

INCONCEIVABLE

pretty sporty article on donte

http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/2841741.html

mikesaintfan · 05-21-2006, 10:49 AM

if donte gets traded...so be it
until then he is still a saint and he can only get better with brees in and AB out
go saints

saintswhodi · 05-21-2006, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Shroomdaddy

INCONCEIVABLE

pretty sporty article on donte

http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/2841741.html

GREAT article Shrrom, and just what I have been saying. Stall expressed his frustration with an offense the coaching staff tried to FORCE on the players(Haslett), as opposed to tailoring their offense to the talent they had(Payton). Also good was:

StallworthÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s agent expressed concern to Payton and Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis about his clientÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s future.

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“They brought me to the office and assured me they had no interest in trading me,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Stallworth said. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢m happy here in New Orleans. But it is a business and if they did IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢d understand. Everybody has a price, but I definitely want to be here. I think it would have benefited both sides to do it before or during the draft.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬?

Can the speculation please end?

saintswhodi · 05-21-2006, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by JimBone

I have been gone for 4 days and i see this discussion sort of got out of hand. Some valid points, some questionable points...but the one that i pointed out that cannot be disputed...is that he has been in the league for 4 YEARS and has NEVER had back to back games with 70 yards receiving...thats not even a hard number to reach. I would love to hear someone make sense of that. My only negative on Donte is that he isnt consistent enough to be counted on.

Inconsistent QB? Three TDs one game 4 INTs the next? Focused on Joe Horn WAY too much? Possibly effects the WRs? I dunno....................

papz · 05-21-2006, 01:42 PM

We'll all find out when the season is over with. My prediction is he catches 75 balls and racks up 1100 yards. I can definately see him making that Javon Walker type leap this year... a breakout year which will make the release of Horn down the road for cap purposes much easier.

JimBone · 05-21-2006, 01:49 PM

OK, you mean to tell me that it is ok for someone to be in the league for that long and still never have back to back productive games because of his QB. Horn did it game in and game out for years. And as much as i couldnt stand him, not counting last year, AB's numbers were respectable. He hit some high numbers in yards and TD's so he wasnt all bad all the time. You cannot blame all of it on him. Stallworth is more than partly responsible for his lack of production.

saintswhodi · 05-21-2006, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by JimBone

OK, you mean to tell me that it is ok for someone to be in the league for that long and still never have back to back productive games because of his QB. Horn did it game in and game out for years. And as much as i couldnt stand him, not counting last year, AB's numbers were respectable. He hit some high numbers in yards and TD's so he wasnt all bad all the time. You cannot blame all of it on him. Stallworth is more than partly responsible for his lack of production.

Partly resposible? Yes. He was injured A LOT in his first and second years. He personally worked to get over that about the same time his QB decided to start regressing. As far as Joe Horn, again, 90% of the balls going his way says it all. Even if it wasn't that high a %, I don't think you will find anyone who would say AB didn't focus most of the time on Joe. This dude does not know the meaning of the word progression, on the field or off. And when were AB's numbers respectable? A QB who has NEVER in his career completed 60% of his passes does not earn a "respectable" characterizaion from me. I again point to the example of Santana Moss. He leaves the Jets and BLOWS up, different QB, and a system that fits him. Donte now has a different QB, and he is praising the system they are bringing in. Watch the difference.

Shroomdaddy · 05-21-2006, 02:12 PM

no way stallworth catches 75 this coming year. there's just too many people to spread the ball around to.
would be a good over/under poll, though. i'd take under.

05-21-2006, 10:38 AM	#73
Shroomdaddy Rookie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8	INCONCEIVABLE pretty sporty article on donte http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/2841741.html
Shroomdaddy Rookie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8

05-21-2006, 01:03 PM	#75
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by Shroomdaddy INCONCEIVABLE pretty sporty article on donte http://www.2theadvocate.com/sports/2841741.html GREAT article Shrrom, and just what I have been saying. Stall expressed his frustration with an offense the coaching staff tried to FORCE on the players(Haslett), as opposed to tailoring their offense to the talent they had(Payton). Also good was: StallworthÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s agent expressed concern to Payton and Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis about his clientÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s future. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“They brought me to the office and assured me they had no interest in trading me,ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Stallworth said. ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã…Â“IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢m happy here in New Orleans. But it is a business and if they did IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢d understand. Everybody has a price, but I definitely want to be here. I think it would have benefited both sides to do it before or during the draft.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Can the speculation please end?

05-21-2006, 01:03 PM	#76
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by JimBone I have been gone for 4 days and i see this discussion sort of got out of hand. Some valid points, some questionable points...but the one that i pointed out that cannot be disputed...is that he has been in the league for 4 YEARS and has NEVER had back to back games with 70 yards receiving...thats not even a hard number to reach. I would love to hear someone make sense of that. My only negative on Donte is that he isnt consistent enough to be counted on. Inconsistent QB? Three TDs one game 4 INTs the next? Focused on Joe Horn WAY too much? Possibly effects the WRs? I dunno....................

05-21-2006, 01:53 PM	#79
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by JimBone OK, you mean to tell me that it is ok for someone to be in the league for that long and still never have back to back productive games because of his QB. Horn did it game in and game out for years. And as much as i couldnt stand him, not counting last year, AB's numbers were respectable. He hit some high numbers in yards and TD's so he wasnt all bad all the time. You cannot blame all of it on him. Stallworth is more than partly responsible for his lack of production. Partly resposible? Yes. He was injured A LOT in his first and second years. He personally worked to get over that about the same time his QB decided to start regressing. As far as Joe Horn, again, 90% of the balls going his way says it all. Even if it wasn't that high a %, I don't think you will find anyone who would say AB didn't focus most of the time on Joe. This dude does not know the meaning of the word progression, on the field or off. And when were AB's numbers respectable? A QB who has NEVER in his career completed 60% of his passes does not earn a "respectable" characterizaion from me. I again point to the example of Santana Moss. He leaves the Jets and BLOWS up, different QB, and a system that fits him. Donte now has a different QB, and he is praising the system they are bringing in. Watch the difference.

05-21-2006, 02:12 PM	#80
Shroomdaddy Rookie Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 8	no way stallworth catches 75 this coming year. there's just too many people to spread the ball around to. would be a good over/under poll, though. i'd take under.
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05-16-2006, 07:55 PM	#71
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Hey Goldrush, my bad bro. Believe what you want. I don't want this to go on forever. We have different opinions of Stallworth. It's all good.

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05-21-2006, 02:50 AM	#72
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	I have been gone for 4 days and i see this discussion sort of got out of hand. Some valid points, some questionable points...but the one that i pointed out that cannot be disputed...is that he has been in the league for 4 YEARS and has NEVER had back to back games with 70 yards receiving...thats not even a hard number to reach. I would love to hear someone make sense of that. My only negative on Donte is that he isnt consistent enough to be counted on.

05-21-2006, 10:49 AM	#74
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	if donte gets traded...so be it until then he is still a saint and he can only get better with brees in and AB out go saints

05-21-2006, 01:42 PM	#77
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	We'll all find out when the season is over with. My prediction is he catches 75 balls and racks up 1100 yards. I can definately see him making that Javon Walker type leap this year... a breakout year which will make the release of Horn down the road for cap purposes much easier.

05-21-2006, 01:49 PM	#78
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	OK, you mean to tell me that it is ok for someone to be in the league for that long and still never have back to back productive games because of his QB. Horn did it game in and game out for years. And as much as i couldnt stand him, not counting last year, AB's numbers were respectable. He hit some high numbers in yards and TD's so he wasnt all bad all the time. You cannot blame all of it on him. Stallworth is more than partly responsible for his lack of production.