Anybody got anything they wanna debate?

hagan714 · 06-07-2006, 10:54 AM

okay a drop pass is a pass that that hits you in the hands not to hard and still finds it way to the ground.
they are like Errors in baseball and there is a set standard. the are not opion based as much as you think.That does not count those alot of those passes as a pro you should have caught. You know the ones sliding and trying to catch a ball thrown behind you. It is the ones were you want to kick the TV and yell how inn the hel# did you miss that you fuc bumb. those are the ones we are talking about. the others are errors against the QB. Now I have to dig up the definition of dropped pass. gezzzz QB has nothing to do with it.
eddie just drop I would not take him back for nothing besides he had a total of 16 catches. Antonio is a TE.
You can not leave the QB out ofd this much less the hearts trump either. I do not see 4 strikes you are missing the outside of the plate and a bit low.
As far as the Pats go I have been here 8 years now and know what Bill looks for. He comes out and says it.
Just admit it he is over hyped and an underachiever. he is like that kitty. time to stand up be a man. He can do it and the only one to blame is himself. If payton rides him to hard he will not sign here next year.
So now I have to dig up the definition of a dropped pass in the NFL for you. talk about force feeding

saintswhodi · 06-07-2006, 11:06 AM

If you dig up anything, it should probably be a better argument. Until that happens, good luck with your opinions, i'll stick to reality. I noticed how your argument went from using other receivers, to being wholly about dropped passes once I killed that noise with the FACT, every one of those receivers had better QBs, and the FACT this whole team was a mess due to the disaster.

As far as the Pats go I have been here 8 years now and know what Bill looks for. He comes out and says it.

Um, this is called opinion. Unless you golf with Belichek and he told you personally that Stallworth is not the type of player he would want, it's an OPINION. See how that works? Who knows where Stallworth could be with good coaches and a great QB? I know on this horrible team last year, he put up stats similar to #2 receivers in better offenses, with better QBs, on teams not destroyed by hurricanes. Separate your OPINION from FACT, and your argument may come into focus. Until then, you're just a hater.

hagan714 · 06-07-2006, 11:32 AM

lol you are killing me. here
I have seen bill pull any reciever for dropping a pass time and time again. that is his SOP.
I am looking for that def for you.
Keep me lol dude

NewMexSaint · 06-07-2006, 11:40 AM

YOU GUYS DONT GET ALONG VERY WELL...... ARE YOU HUSBAND AND WIFE?

JUST KIDDING FELLAS, JUST KIDDING CALMATE, CHILLLLLLL

NOSaints · 06-07-2006, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by NewMexSaint

YOU GUYS DONT GET ALONG VERY WELL......

It keeps the threads interesting. I almost enjoy their rants and raves as much as i enjoy watching Payton get rid of dead wood.

JimBone · 06-07-2006, 02:03 PM

I could have told you a long time ago...say what you want about anything, but the minute you question Charles Grant or Stallworth, whodi whips out the death stick and brings it to you.

JimBone · 06-07-2006, 02:08 PM

The fact is in the last 4 years, there have been some bad QB's that started a lot of games. There have been some great WR's and some average WR's play for those QB's. Now, if you are going to make an arguement that Donte has played as well as alot of #1's, then i have to disagree. I think Donte has all the talent in the world. I think Donte can be the best WR the Saints have ever had. But the image he puts out is that he is satisfied with being average. he hasnt done anything to make himself better. He hasnt endeared himself to the new coach. He should be on his knees begging for things to do to have a breakout year and cash it in with a 12 million dollar signing bonus this offseason. This should be the year he puts his best effort forward, but boy is he starting on the wrong foot. I would love Donte to stay with the Saints, have a great year, get a huge deal, and continue to get better but reality says thats not how its gonna be. thats another reason why you cant consider him great because he doesnt want to be great.

mikesaintfan · 06-07-2006, 02:14 PM

not to bring up AB but when donte was wide open he had his eyes locked on horn

saintswhodi · 06-07-2006, 02:16 PM

I don't think anyone has made the argument Donte has played as well as a lot of #1s. I even said:

Um, Donte isn't a #1 receiver yet.

Now, as far as his attitude, I can;t argue with that. By all accounts, he may not have the will to get better, and he has seemed to have gone out of his way to get the coach's attention in a negative way. Maybe his attitude will keep him from taking that next step here. I am not gonna argue that at all. I will say this, this is it for Donte, if he is with us this season, as far as the Saints go. He has a consistent, pro bowl QB running the show, better coaching from what we have seem and heard thus far, he is in a contract year, and there are loads of weapons on offense. If he can't do it now, whatever the it is some people want him to do, he won't do it.

JimBone · 06-07-2006, 02:19 PM

I dont think anyone can argue that...no one wants him to go now, but he has no more excuses. He is in the right system to utilize his talent, he has talent around him, and he is in a contract year...so if he doesnt do it this year, he will never do it and we can all move on. Do it!! Do It!!

06-07-2006, 10:54 AM	#31
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	okay a drop pass is a pass that that hits you in the hands not to hard and still finds it way to the ground. they are like Errors in baseball and there is a set standard. the are not opion based as much as you think.That does not count those alot of those passes as a pro you should have caught. You know the ones sliding and trying to catch a ball thrown behind you. It is the ones were you want to kick the TV and yell how inn the hel# did you miss that you fuc bumb. those are the ones we are talking about. the others are errors against the QB. Now I have to dig up the definition of dropped pass. gezzzz QB has nothing to do with it. eddie just drop I would not take him back for nothing besides he had a total of 16 catches. Antonio is a TE. You can not leave the QB out ofd this much less the hearts trump either. I do not see 4 strikes you are missing the outside of the plate and a bit low. As far as the Pats go I have been here 8 years now and know what Bill looks for. He comes out and says it. Just admit it he is over hyped and an underachiever. he is like that kitty. time to stand up be a man. He can do it and the only one to blame is himself. If payton rides him to hard he will not sign here next year. So now I have to dig up the definition of a dropped pass in the NFL for you. talk about force feeding
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

06-07-2006, 11:06 AM	#32
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	If you dig up anything, it should probably be a better argument. Until that happens, good luck with your opinions, i'll stick to reality. I noticed how your argument went from using other receivers, to being wholly about dropped passes once I killed that noise with the FACT, every one of those receivers had better QBs, and the FACT this whole team was a mess due to the disaster. As far as the Pats go I have been here 8 years now and know what Bill looks for. He comes out and says it. Um, this is called opinion. Unless you golf with Belichek and he told you personally that Stallworth is not the type of player he would want, it's an OPINION. See how that works? Who knows where Stallworth could be with good coaches and a great QB? I know on this horrible team last year, he put up stats similar to #2 receivers in better offenses, with better QBs, on teams not destroyed by hurricanes. Separate your OPINION from FACT, and your argument may come into focus. Until then, you're just a hater.

06-07-2006, 01:56 PM	#35
NOSaints 100th Post Join Date: May 2005 Location: Lakewood, California Posts: 113	Originally Posted by NewMexSaint YOU GUYS DONT GET ALONG VERY WELL...... It keeps the threads interesting. I almost enjoy their rants and raves as much as i enjoy watching Payton get rid of dead wood.

06-07-2006, 02:08 PM	#37
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	The fact is in the last 4 years, there have been some bad QB's that started a lot of games. There have been some great WR's and some average WR's play for those QB's. Now, if you are going to make an arguement that Donte has played as well as alot of #1's, then i have to disagree. I think Donte has all the talent in the world. I think Donte can be the best WR the Saints have ever had. But the image he puts out is that he is satisfied with being average. he hasnt done anything to make himself better. He hasnt endeared himself to the new coach. He should be on his knees begging for things to do to have a breakout year and cash it in with a 12 million dollar signing bonus this offseason. This should be the year he puts his best effort forward, but boy is he starting on the wrong foot. I would love Donte to stay with the Saints, have a great year, get a huge deal, and continue to get better but reality says thats not how its gonna be. thats another reason why you cant consider him great because he doesnt want to be great.
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06-07-2006, 02:16 PM	#39
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I don't think anyone has made the argument Donte has played as well as a lot of #1s. I even said: Um, Donte isn't a #1 receiver yet. Now, as far as his attitude, I can;t argue with that. By all accounts, he may not have the will to get better, and he has seemed to have gone out of his way to get the coach's attention in a negative way. Maybe his attitude will keep him from taking that next step here. I am not gonna argue that at all. I will say this, this is it for Donte, if he is with us this season, as far as the Saints go. He has a consistent, pro bowl QB running the show, better coaching from what we have seem and heard thus far, he is in a contract year, and there are loads of weapons on offense. If he can't do it now, whatever the it is some people want him to do, he won't do it.

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06-07-2006, 11:32 AM	#33
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	lol you are killing me. here I have seen bill pull any reciever for dropping a pass time and time again. that is his SOP. I am looking for that def for you. Keep me lol dude

06-07-2006, 11:40 AM	#34
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06-07-2006, 02:03 PM	#36
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	I could have told you a long time ago...say what you want about anything, but the minute you question Charles Grant or Stallworth, whodi whips out the death stick and brings it to you.

06-07-2006, 02:14 PM	#38
mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	not to bring up AB but when donte was wide open he had his eyes locked on horn

06-07-2006, 02:19 PM	#40
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	I dont think anyone can argue that...no one wants him to go now, but he has no more excuses. He is in the right system to utilize his talent, he has talent around him, and he is in a contract year...so if he doesnt do it this year, he will never do it and we can all move on. Do it!! Do It!!