Anybody got anything they wanna debate?

saintswhodi · 06-06-2006, 01:32 PM

It's the REAL slow time of the off-season, and I was just wondering if anyone had any burning issues they wanted to debate. Anything at all.

Tobias-Reiper · 06-06-2006, 01:33 PM

... does it have to be football?

There are other forums that you can put to use, like The Big Easy Forum or Politics With A Punch forum.

JimBone · 06-06-2006, 01:45 PM

Here are some things that i will debate with anyone:

Stinchcomb does not look like a starter at right tackle we can depend on. He is still favoring his knee and he has never played RT in the NFL...that scares me.

The Saints have a lot of depth at WR, meaning some good ones arent going to make the team, but we dont have anyone to jump in and start if Stallworth gets traded.

The Saints are still a big DT, and a starting CB away from having a respectable defense. Adding Polley helps, but the LB's are average at best and the CB's and DT's are below average.

Best case scenario for the Saints this year is they win 9 games. I would love for the Saints to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl, but being objective, if they win 7 i will be happy, and if they win 9 they caught some breaks.

Stallworth may be here this year, but he will not be resigned by the Saints unless he changes his attitude drastically...he needs to show more desire to be great because he has the tools and he seems set on being mediocre.

saintswhodi · 06-06-2006, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

... does it have to be football?

There are other forums that you can put to use, like The Big Easy Forum or Politics With A Punch forum.

I guess it doesn't, but I don't see why it'd have to be just about football when nothing is going ont his time of year. It could be about anything, then when football stuff starts again, they can move it. :P

NewMexSaint · 06-06-2006, 01:58 PM

Id like to debate why so many people seem to think that the panthers have Meshaun, is going to make them the best team in the NFC S. I mean WTF, hes not explosive, I think stall pepper drew more DT than he did, its not going to free steve smith up any more than he all ready got !!!!

saintswhodi · 06-06-2006, 02:04 PM

Okay Jim, some of that I am gonna defer to you on, cause you were at the mini-camp:

Stinchcomb does not look like a starter at right tackle we can depend on. He is still favoring his knee and he has never played RT in the NFL...that scares me.

This is one i'll defer. I did read where Stinch said he knew he was favoring his knee, but he is still working to get his strength back, and he hasn't really played in 3 years. I'm still giving him a 50/50 chance of working out. But you saw him, and I didn't.

The Saints have a lot of depth at WR, meaning some good ones arent going to make the team, but we dont have anyone to jump in and start if Stallworth gets traded.

Agree there, and you know Stall's my boy. Given Horn's age and injury history, I don't see how they could trade Donte anyway. But anything's possible. Hopefully with all the guys we have, someone will step up.

The Saints are still a big DT, and a starting CB away from having a respectable defense. Adding Polley helps, but the LB's are average at best and the CB's and DT's are below average.

Well, the D was middle of the pack last year, did not play an aggressive style, and had an offense that turned the ball over the most in the league. We still got ran on pretty hard though. I think an upgrade at LB will help our weakness at DB somewhat, and expect us to at least be middle of the road on D again. A big DT and a solid #2 CB are still big on my wish list though.

Best case scenario for the Saints this year is they win 9 games. I would love for the Saints to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl, but being objective, if they win 7 i will be happy, and if they win 9 they caught some breaks.

I will be happy if they win 6, and it's about what I am expecting. This year is about growing pians for me, and out with the old, in with the new. But with some breaks, I agree, they could hit 9.

Stallworth may be here this year, but he will not be resigned by the Saints unless he changes his attitude drastically...he needs to show more desire to be great because he has the tools and he seems set on being mediocre.

Agree 100%. It's time to grow up for Stall. He takes a step forward, then takes a step right back.

saintswhodi · 06-06-2006, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by NewMexSaint

Id like to debate why so many people seem to think that the panthers have Meshaun, is going to make them the best team in the NFC S. I mean WTF, hes not explosive, I think stall pepper drew more DT than he did, its not going to free steve smith up any more than he all ready got !!!!

Well, the Panthers had ZERO reliable options outside of Steve Smith last year, and they made it all the way to the NFC champ game. Keyshawn may not be the player he once was, but I read an article about him that said something like 70% or more of his catches from last year went for first downs. That is huge to a team that likes ball possession as a key to getting down field. Plus he is bigger than most CBs in the league. And he is a great downfield blocker on the run. It will be like they have Smith and Muhsin all over again. They are a team to fear.

NewMexSaint · 06-06-2006, 02:10 PM

Thats a negative lil buddy, he is NO threat, nor will he ever be, Witten was the main threat whcih allowed Keyshaun to get open, and theres no way Steve Smith will stand there and let that twirp get a 1/2 or even a 1/3 of his air time.

NewMexSaint · 06-06-2006, 02:11 PM

I dont know if Im right I could just tell you wanted to debate something !! They will be better I just thought I would stir up some #$^@

saintswhodi · 06-06-2006, 02:15 PM

You made me defend a rival. you suck. lol

06-06-2006, 01:32 PM	#1
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06-06-2006, 01:45 PM	#3
JimBone 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Thibodaux, La Posts: 614	Here are some things that i will debate with anyone: Stinchcomb does not look like a starter at right tackle we can depend on. He is still favoring his knee and he has never played RT in the NFL...that scares me. The Saints have a lot of depth at WR, meaning some good ones arent going to make the team, but we dont have anyone to jump in and start if Stallworth gets traded. The Saints are still a big DT, and a starting CB away from having a respectable defense. Adding Polley helps, but the LB's are average at best and the CB's and DT's are below average. Best case scenario for the Saints this year is they win 9 games. I would love for the Saints to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl, but being objective, if they win 7 i will be happy, and if they win 9 they caught some breaks. Stallworth may be here this year, but he will not be resigned by the Saints unless he changes his attitude drastically...he needs to show more desire to be great because he has the tools and he seems set on being mediocre.
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06-06-2006, 01:58 PM	#4
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper ... does it have to be football? There are other forums that you can put to use, like The Big Easy Forum or Politics With A Punch forum. I guess it doesn't, but I don't see why it'd have to be just about football when nothing is going ont his time of year. It could be about anything, then when football stuff starts again, they can move it. :P

06-06-2006, 02:04 PM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Okay Jim, some of that I am gonna defer to you on, cause you were at the mini-camp: Stinchcomb does not look like a starter at right tackle we can depend on. He is still favoring his knee and he has never played RT in the NFL...that scares me. This is one i'll defer. I did read where Stinch said he knew he was favoring his knee, but he is still working to get his strength back, and he hasn't really played in 3 years. I'm still giving him a 50/50 chance of working out. But you saw him, and I didn't. The Saints have a lot of depth at WR, meaning some good ones arent going to make the team, but we dont have anyone to jump in and start if Stallworth gets traded. Agree there, and you know Stall's my boy. Given Horn's age and injury history, I don't see how they could trade Donte anyway. But anything's possible. Hopefully with all the guys we have, someone will step up. The Saints are still a big DT, and a starting CB away from having a respectable defense. Adding Polley helps, but the LB's are average at best and the CB's and DT's are below average. Well, the D was middle of the pack last year, did not play an aggressive style, and had an offense that turned the ball over the most in the league. We still got ran on pretty hard though. I think an upgrade at LB will help our weakness at DB somewhat, and expect us to at least be middle of the road on D again. A big DT and a solid #2 CB are still big on my wish list though. Best case scenario for the Saints this year is they win 9 games. I would love for the Saints to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl, but being objective, if they win 7 i will be happy, and if they win 9 they caught some breaks. I will be happy if they win 6, and it's about what I am expecting. This year is about growing pians for me, and out with the old, in with the new. But with some breaks, I agree, they could hit 9. Stallworth may be here this year, but he will not be resigned by the Saints unless he changes his attitude drastically...he needs to show more desire to be great because he has the tools and he seems set on being mediocre. Agree 100%. It's time to grow up for Stall. He takes a step forward, then takes a step right back.

06-06-2006, 02:06 PM	#7
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by NewMexSaint Id like to debate why so many people seem to think that the panthers have Meshaun, is going to make them the best team in the NFC S. I mean WTF, hes not explosive, I think stall pepper drew more DT than he did, its not going to free steve smith up any more than he all ready got !!!! Well, the Panthers had ZERO reliable options outside of Steve Smith last year, and they made it all the way to the NFC champ game. Keyshawn may not be the player he once was, but I read an article about him that said something like 70% or more of his catches from last year went for first downs. That is huge to a team that likes ball possession as a key to getting down field. Plus he is bigger than most CBs in the league. And he is a great downfield blocker on the run. It will be like they have Smith and Muhsin all over again. They are a team to fear.

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06-06-2006, 01:33 PM	#2
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06-06-2006, 01:58 PM	#5
NewMexSaint 100th Post Join Date: May 2006 Location: Farmington, NM Posts: 141	Id like to debate why so many people seem to think that the panthers have Meshaun, is going to make them the best team in the NFC S. I mean WTF, hes not explosive, I think stall pepper drew more DT than he did, its not going to free steve smith up any more than he all ready got !!!!

06-06-2006, 02:10 PM	#8
NewMexSaint 100th Post Join Date: May 2006 Location: Farmington, NM Posts: 141	Thats a negative lil buddy, he is NO threat, nor will he ever be, Witten was the main threat whcih allowed Keyshaun to get open, and theres no way Steve Smith will stand there and let that twirp get a 1/2 or even a 1/3 of his air time.

06-06-2006, 02:11 PM	#9
NewMexSaint 100th Post Join Date: May 2006 Location: Farmington, NM Posts: 141	I dont know if Im right I could just tell you wanted to debate something !! They will be better I just thought I would stir up some #$^@

06-06-2006, 02:15 PM	#10
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	You made me defend a rival. you suck. lol