Leave The Extra 4th Out of It.

D24pick · 08-17-2006, 06:52 PM

Good points

Craver is still playing but for the FA's team

He was bad, he just was the best player off the field getting into trouble

thib82 · 08-18-2006, 09:01 AM

I have to agree with Bobs take on this, Edwards can do more good than I think some guys are thinking. He is a proven Veteran player, would could help mold our Defense into being better all around. He has been around for a while, and could really teach our younger sub-par LBs (namely Fincher) alot about the game. Especially with our MLBs being so weak right now. Hagan is right, he won't get us to the promise land, but he will help long term in terms of knowlege, which this teams defense lacks alot of. IMO, 4th round picks are not that important. Yes, they are the most important picks on day 2 of the draft, but how many players are drafted in the 4th that are real impact players. I know some of you guys can spout out a few names, but their are 32 players drafted in this round every year, only 2 or 3 actually make a big difference. If they get lucky, they get a quality player, but I'm not big on taking chances with late-drafted rookies. Give me a veteran who can help the team right away, instead of a rookie who takes time to mold, and still is a long shot to make it in the NFL(talking about 4th round picks here).

nedly · 08-18-2006, 09:38 AM

To ask if it is worth it to pick up Edwards and lose a fourth, is to ask would you have done it for Sam Mills. This team desperately needs a leader on defense. Edwards would give them that. One man can make a difference. As long as he's in shape and ready to play, I don't have a problem with it. Also, when have the saint's ever had a high pick being a linebacker? It wasn't recently that's for sure. They've had their chances to pick up some quality backs in the last few draft's and blown it big time' drafting Cie Grant instead of Brady James, and this year they passed on a lot of talent through the first four rounds of this draft. If we pick up Edwards this year, we can draft a linebacker in next years draft, or perhaps search for some talented, proven younger free agents. Anyway, linebackers is still our weakest position on the team, even weaker than offensive line, which I believe will be much better than people expect, especially after getting a few games under their belts. Go Saints!

Bobaganoosh · 08-18-2006, 10:31 PM

I am glad you brought up Sam Mills...now before i say this, i am in no way comparing Edwards to Mills...but it is somewhat similar...the Saints gave up on Mills and thought he couldnt play anymore...then he goes on to Carolina and they end up building a statue of him outside the stadium...age is a factor but i do believe it gets blown out of proportion in the NFL...apparently, once you hit 30, you are damaged goods...but there are a lot of guys who played well into their 30's and played well. Junior Seau is still in the league and announcers revel in his presence. I think the moves makes too much sense not to do it.

chRxis · 08-19-2006, 10:34 AM

i agree that age gets blown out of proportion... i mean since when is 35 or 36 "old"? players today take good care of their bodies, much more so than even 10 years ago... that being said, i still don't see edwards as a clear- cut, end-of-discussion solution to the problems we have on defense.... last time i checked he played LB, not DT or CB, which is where we really need help on the defense.... edwards would help, don't get me wrong, but only to a certain extent... i believe that if we improve the front 4, then the linebackers we currently have would be more than adequate to fill our need....

Bobaganoosh · 08-19-2006, 09:17 PM

I was clear when i said the addition of Edwards makes us a better team, but not a playoff team. It has been said the whole offseason that you cant patch all the holes on a 3-13 team. Not to mention the fact that the coaches hadnt seen hardly any of these players in person, in live games, or even in practice, so they had no idea what they had. LB is our weakest spot on this team by far. It doesnt matter how the DT's play if the LB's cant play...same goes for the CB's. Adding Edwards takes us from 4-12 to 6-10.

08-18-2006, 09:38 AM	#13
nedly Registered Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 72	To ask if it is worth it to pick up Edwards and lose a fourth, is to ask would you have done it for Sam Mills. This team desperately needs a leader on defense. Edwards would give them that. One man can make a difference. As long as he's in shape and ready to play, I don't have a problem with it. Also, when have the saint's ever had a high pick being a linebacker? It wasn't recently that's for sure. They've had their chances to pick up some quality backs in the last few draft's and blown it big time' drafting Cie Grant instead of Brady James, and this year they passed on a lot of talent through the first four rounds of this draft. If we pick up Edwards this year, we can draft a linebacker in next years draft, or perhaps search for some talented, proven younger free agents. Anyway, linebackers is still our weakest position on the team, even weaker than offensive line, which I believe will be much better than people expect, especially after getting a few games under their belts. Go Saints!
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08-18-2006, 10:31 PM	#14
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	I am glad you brought up Sam Mills...now before i say this, i am in no way comparing Edwards to Mills...but it is somewhat similar...the Saints gave up on Mills and thought he couldnt play anymore...then he goes on to Carolina and they end up building a statue of him outside the stadium...age is a factor but i do believe it gets blown out of proportion in the NFL...apparently, once you hit 30, you are damaged goods...but there are a lot of guys who played well into their 30's and played well. Junior Seau is still in the league and announcers revel in his presence. I think the moves makes too much sense not to do it.
	It's all in the reflexes.

08-19-2006, 09:17 PM	#16
Bobaganoosh PorkchopExpress Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 608 Blog Entries: 2	I was clear when i said the addition of Edwards makes us a better team, but not a playoff team. It has been said the whole offseason that you cant patch all the holes on a 3-13 team. Not to mention the fact that the coaches hadnt seen hardly any of these players in person, in live games, or even in practice, so they had no idea what they had. LB is our weakest spot on this team by far. It doesnt matter how the DT's play if the LB's cant play...same goes for the CB's. Adding Edwards takes us from 4-12 to 6-10.
	It's all in the reflexes.

08-17-2006, 06:52 PM	#11
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08-18-2006, 09:01 AM	#12
thib82 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Carencro, LA Posts: 211	I have to agree with Bobs take on this, Edwards can do more good than I think some guys are thinking. He is a proven Veteran player, would could help mold our Defense into being better all around. He has been around for a while, and could really teach our younger sub-par LBs (namely Fincher) alot about the game. Especially with our MLBs being so weak right now. Hagan is right, he won't get us to the promise land, but he will help long term in terms of knowlege, which this teams defense lacks alot of. IMO, 4th round picks are not that important. Yes, they are the most important picks on day 2 of the draft, but how many players are drafted in the 4th that are real impact players. I know some of you guys can spout out a few names, but their are 32 players drafted in this round every year, only 2 or 3 actually make a big difference. If they get lucky, they get a quality player, but I'm not big on taking chances with late-drafted rookies. Give me a veteran who can help the team right away, instead of a rookie who takes time to mold, and still is a long shot to make it in the NFL(talking about 4th round picks here).

08-19-2006, 10:34 AM	#15
chRxis 500th Post Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 690	i agree that age gets blown out of proportion... i mean since when is 35 or 36 "old"? players today take good care of their bodies, much more so than even 10 years ago... that being said, i still don't see edwards as a clear- cut, end-of-discussion solution to the problems we have on defense.... last time i checked he played LB, not DT or CB, which is where we really need help on the defense.... edwards would help, don't get me wrong, but only to a certain extent... i believe that if we improve the front 4, then the linebackers we currently have would be more than adequate to fill our need....