Favre to get destroyed

Euphoria · 09-15-2006, 12:18 PM

Whats ridiculous about pointing out just because we beat the Browns doesn't mean we are going to the Super Bowl this year. Sure go ahead take the Packers lightly...

saintswhodi · 09-15-2006, 12:53 PM

And we did not BARELY win...we dominated and the score was closer than it should have been. Go look at the stats. We played a hell of a game and kicked too many field goals.

Isn't your last sentence what directly led to us BARELY WINNING.?Make no mistake about it, we barely won. If not for some Browns mistakes, we may have lost. Did we dominate them? We sure did. But we still barely won. And I don't care what anyone on here is saying trying to thump up the Browns, they suck. They were playing with their 4th or 5th center, on a line that isn't that good to begin with. Charlie Frye IS NOT an elite NFL QB, or even close, and Reuben Droughns is a former FB turned serviceable RB by a stint in Denver. Winslow is coming off being out two straight years with injury, and Braylon one year with injury. I am damn happy with the win, make no mistake about it, cause that is the kinda game we may have pissed away in the past. But for pete's sake, let's not make it more than it was. We will get better, our young guys will get more experience, and we will continue to grow as a team. But it was just the Browns, a bottom feeding team. We have the big boys coming up after GB so we will know for sure where we are then. Not much to be learned from beating the scrubs except we are definitely more focused, have a leader on O, have some serious talent, and seem to be cutting out a lot of the mental errors. We will be tested soon enough.

iceshack149 · 09-15-2006, 01:22 PM

If I may play the part of mediator here, I'd like to say that I understand both sides of the issue here.

Shackney, I appreciate your enthusiasm. I love the Saints as much as you. I'm guessing that Euph is of the idea of 39 times bitten 38 times shy. Show me some consistency and wins and I'll believe it when I see it. I'm excited that there have been some changes made on this team that apparently go in the right direction. I, like Euphoria, keep my expectations low and hope to be surprised by the end result. It doesn't make him less of a fan. Just a trepidous one.

All that said, this site appeals to most of us as a sort of gentlemans site. We've seen our share of idiots try to ruin it with name calling and angry tirades and, speaking for myself, it's nice to have an informative site with arguments that make points without attempting to piss each other off with belittling statements.

I enjoy your input, Shack. So understand that I'm not attacking you.

On a lighter note, why IS your name Euphoria? Do you get high after all the losses to quell the pain?

yasoon · 09-15-2006, 01:54 PM

Isn't your last sentence what directly led to us BARELY WINNING.?Make no mistake about it, we barely won.

my point is that we played an all around good game and saying that we barely won makes it sounds flukey. we outplayed them in every facet. we could have played better and gotten in the endzone. we were fortunate to win given the way the game went, i'll give you that. but at some point your preachy tone gets out of hand. you and i have been on here for years and i still marvel at your ability to jump in on one point of a 2 paragraph post and talk to me like i'm f%%king stupid

i am not heralding the browns as a great team. i would say that we are a relatively equal team. vegas thought so too. nobody here is saying the freaking browns are great.

i love when people downplay wins in this league when they have seen this team consistently sleepwalk for entire halves of games and lose to lesser NFL teams.

we went on the road and won a damn football game against one of the lesser opponents on our schedule, like we hoped we would. we played a good game and the defense took the ball away to preserve a shaky lead.

GoldRush26 · 09-15-2006, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Whats ridiculous about pointing out just because we beat the Browns doesn't mean we are going to the Super Bowl this year. Sure go ahead take the Packers lightly...

Who is taking the Packers lightly? Is saying and hoping that we will win the game taking them lightly? Just because we don't hope to lose every game like you seem to want us to doesn't mean we are taking anyone lightly. I think you'd rather be right about your prediction than have the Saints win. And who said anywhere that we're going to the Super Bowl or even the playoffs??? I don't think anyone here ever said that or even thinks that. But why do you continuously slight the Saints, a team you claim to be a fan of, in favor of seemingly every team we face. We barely beat the Browns, sure enough. But like Deuce himself said in an interview, if we score TDs instead of FGs, the game isn't even a game. We aren't that far off from being decent, but most of us are intelligent people and we know we aren't there yet. You don't constantly have to try to prove you're the smartest guy here.

I don't think Farve will get "destroyed"....that is a little over the top, but we certainly don't need to read the opposite, that the Saints will get destroyed. What happened in GB last year has nothing to do with what will happen this year. These are totally different circumstances. This is a different team, most notably minus a QB that threw quite possibly the worst pass that I have ever seen, to one Al Harris. Could we lose the game? Absolutely. And I think anyone who is a true Saints fan knows this, because we've all been through the same cycle before. But you know what, we just might win the doggone thing. Not outside the realm of possibility like you may think. If you think they are destined to lose all the time why even be a fan?

yasoon · 09-15-2006, 02:24 PM

I think we're in for a dogfight on sunday. I can't believe we're favored. the packers suck, but they are like a cornered beast right now, looking a very serious change (favre) in the face. favre will see it as a put up or sit down type of game.

again, my comfort comes from the fact that mccarthy is calling plays.

the packers may win5 games this year and sunday may be one of them. but, if we win, we'll be 2-0 against 2 sub par teams. it will sure as hell count though.

saintswhodi · 09-15-2006, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by yasoon

Isn't your last sentence what directly led to us BARELY WINNING.?Make no mistake about it, we barely won.

my point is that we played an all around good game and saying that we barely won makes it sounds flukey. we outplayed them in every facet. we could have played better and gotten in the endzone. we were fortunate to win given the way the game went, i'll give you that. but at some point your preachy tone gets out of hand. you and i have been on here for years and i still marvel at your ability to jump in on one point of a 2 paragraph post and talk to me like i'm f%%king stupid

i am not heralding the browns as a great team. i would say that we are a relatively equal team. vegas thought so too. nobody here is saying the freaking browns are great.

i love when people downplay wins in this league when they have seen this team consistently sleepwalk for entire halves of games and lose to lesser NFL teams.

we went on the road and won a damn football game against one of the lesser opponents on our schedule, like we hoped we would. we played a good game and the defense took the ball away to preserve a shaky lead.

Hmm, this seems to be a pot meet kettle situation. I jumped in on that one point to start what I was saying, and basically replied to everything you said throughout after that except the Green Bay part. But let's see, I also said:

Did we dominate them? We sure did.

I am damn happy with the win, make no mistake about it, cause that is the kinda game we may have pissed away in the past. But for pete's sake, let's not make it more than it was. We will get better, our young guys will get more experience, and we will continue to grow as a team. But it was just the Browns, a bottom feeding team. We have the big boys coming up after GB so we will know for sure where we are then. Not much to be learned from beating the scrubs except we are definitely more focused, have a leader on O, have some serious talent, and seem to be cutting out a lot of the mental errors. We will be tested soon enough.

Which I have said previously as well. There's nothing preachy about what I am saying. You are disagreeing for no good reason. We did barely win. So what. We won. The Steelers won the superbowl on some horrible calls, you think they are crying about it? They are toasting their trophy every chance they get. For ME, saying we barely won is not taking a shot at the team. It's 1) the truth and 2) shows us what we need to work on, and in addition, showed us where we did well. I think all of us noticed spots in the game where in the past, this team would have found ways to blow it, but they didn't. We all have to be proud of that. Get a grip dude. No one is talking down to you.

yasoon · 09-15-2006, 02:51 PM

I AM NOT DISAGREEING. I SAID WE WERE LUCKY TO WIN, I"LL GIVE YOU THAT. DID I NOT SAY THAT?

my response was more on the barely win to a sucky browns team. We did technically barely win.

pot calling the kettle black? i'm not preaching to you.

i'm staying out of your threads whodi.

Get a grip dude. No one is talking down to you.

Get a grip? I've got a grip. It's your style whodi. It always has been. 90% of your posts are you picking through posts looking to pounce on something. That's the way it is. I'm just saying you should know me by now and try to show a little respect. You know I'm not an idiot, yet you jump on the "barely win" point and write a paragraph about how bad the browns are. Did I say somewhere that we just beat the eventual NFC North champs? NO. Christ.

xan · 09-15-2006, 03:25 PM

I love how, toward the end of each week with no real news and lots of hope and expectation, we all lose a little patience and wind up spitting at each other from our own little hells.

with an assist from Milton, 500 years late.

saintswhodi · 09-15-2006, 03:26 PM

No, you didn't. But what you DID say was all this wins are hard to come by in the NFL and other type stuff. To me, that's preachy. We ALL know that. But a bad team is a bad team. I didn't disrespect your opinion or you. I gave my opinion. It seems to be your style to get all sensitive about it. And once again, I responded to everything you said, I didn't pick one point and just stay there. That has never been "my style." My style has been more to take what a person says, point by point, and respond to each point. As wheelman will tell you, recently I have chosen to not be so long winded. But i'll go back to what you originally said:

I don't like discrediting wins against anybody in the NFL.

Outside of Euph, who is discrediting the win? I'd call it putting the win in perspective. I don't think anyone disrespected anyone to do that either.

So, if you are going to discredit a road win against a team that we are about equal to, you don't know this league.

You don't know this league? Seems preachy to me, but I am still trying to figure out who is discrediting the win so forgive me.

And we did not BARELY win...we dominated and the score was closer than it should have been. Go look at the stats. We played a hell of a game and kicked too many field goals.

You took an adamant stance, I countered it, and now you are saying you agree we were lucky to win. Well why such an adamant stance originally?

See? I could go back to that, but why? I'd choose to single out a point as a STARTING spot, then respond to the rest. But no matter, for some reason you took offense to what I said, even though nowhere in there did I disrespect you, and most of it was talk of how we were gonna improve. I'll try not to step on your sensibilities in the future. Damn.

09-15-2006, 01:54 PM	#14
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	Isn't your last sentence what directly led to us BARELY WINNING.?Make no mistake about it, we barely won. my point is that we played an all around good game and saying that we barely won makes it sounds flukey. we outplayed them in every facet. we could have played better and gotten in the endzone. we were fortunate to win given the way the game went, i'll give you that. but at some point your preachy tone gets out of hand. you and i have been on here for years and i still marvel at your ability to jump in on one point of a 2 paragraph post and talk to me like i'm f%%king stupid i am not heralding the browns as a great team. i would say that we are a relatively equal team. vegas thought so too. nobody here is saying the freaking browns are great. i love when people downplay wins in this league when they have seen this team consistently sleepwalk for entire halves of games and lose to lesser NFL teams. we went on the road and won a damn football game against one of the lesser opponents on our schedule, like we hoped we would. we played a good game and the defense took the ball away to preserve a shaky lead.
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09-15-2006, 02:18 PM	#15
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Originally Posted by Euphoria Whats ridiculous about pointing out just because we beat the Browns doesn't mean we are going to the Super Bowl this year. Sure go ahead take the Packers lightly... Who is taking the Packers lightly? Is saying and hoping that we will win the game taking them lightly? Just because we don't hope to lose every game like you seem to want us to doesn't mean we are taking anyone lightly. I think you'd rather be right about your prediction than have the Saints win. And who said anywhere that we're going to the Super Bowl or even the playoffs??? I don't think anyone here ever said that or even thinks that. But why do you continuously slight the Saints, a team you claim to be a fan of, in favor of seemingly every team we face. We barely beat the Browns, sure enough. But like Deuce himself said in an interview, if we score TDs instead of FGs, the game isn't even a game. We aren't that far off from being decent, but most of us are intelligent people and we know we aren't there yet. You don't constantly have to try to prove you're the smartest guy here. I don't think Farve will get "destroyed"....that is a little over the top, but we certainly don't need to read the opposite, that the Saints will get destroyed. What happened in GB last year has nothing to do with what will happen this year. These are totally different circumstances. This is a different team, most notably minus a QB that threw quite possibly the worst pass that I have ever seen, to one Al Harris. Could we lose the game? Absolutely. And I think anyone who is a true Saints fan knows this, because we've all been through the same cycle before. But you know what, we just might win the doggone thing. Not outside the realm of possibility like you may think. If you think they are destined to lose all the time why even be a fan?
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09-15-2006, 02:24 PM	#16
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	I think we're in for a dogfight on sunday. I can't believe we're favored. the packers suck, but they are like a cornered beast right now, looking a very serious change (favre) in the face. favre will see it as a put up or sit down type of game. again, my comfort comes from the fact that mccarthy is calling plays. the packers may win5 games this year and sunday may be one of them. but, if we win, we'll be 2-0 against 2 sub par teams. it will sure as hell count though.
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09-15-2006, 02:26 PM	#17
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by yasoon Isn't your last sentence what directly led to us BARELY WINNING.?Make no mistake about it, we barely won. my point is that we played an all around good game and saying that we barely won makes it sounds flukey. we outplayed them in every facet. we could have played better and gotten in the endzone. we were fortunate to win given the way the game went, i'll give you that. but at some point your preachy tone gets out of hand. you and i have been on here for years and i still marvel at your ability to jump in on one point of a 2 paragraph post and talk to me like i'm f%%king stupid i am not heralding the browns as a great team. i would say that we are a relatively equal team. vegas thought so too. nobody here is saying the freaking browns are great. i love when people downplay wins in this league when they have seen this team consistently sleepwalk for entire halves of games and lose to lesser NFL teams. we went on the road and won a damn football game against one of the lesser opponents on our schedule, like we hoped we would. we played a good game and the defense took the ball away to preserve a shaky lead. Hmm, this seems to be a pot meet kettle situation. I jumped in on that one point to start what I was saying, and basically replied to everything you said throughout after that except the Green Bay part. But let's see, I also said: Did we dominate them? We sure did. I am damn happy with the win, make no mistake about it, cause that is the kinda game we may have pissed away in the past. But for pete's sake, let's not make it more than it was. We will get better, our young guys will get more experience, and we will continue to grow as a team. But it was just the Browns, a bottom feeding team. We have the big boys coming up after GB so we will know for sure where we are then. Not much to be learned from beating the scrubs except we are definitely more focused, have a leader on O, have some serious talent, and seem to be cutting out a lot of the mental errors. We will be tested soon enough. Which I have said previously as well. There's nothing preachy about what I am saying. You are disagreeing for no good reason. We did barely win. So what. We won. The Steelers won the superbowl on some horrible calls, you think they are crying about it? They are toasting their trophy every chance they get. For ME, saying we barely won is not taking a shot at the team. It's 1) the truth and 2) shows us what we need to work on, and in addition, showed us where we did well. I think all of us noticed spots in the game where in the past, this team would have found ways to blow it, but they didn't. We all have to be proud of that. Get a grip dude. No one is talking down to you.

09-15-2006, 02:51 PM	#18
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	I AM NOT DISAGREEING. I SAID WE WERE LUCKY TO WIN, I"LL GIVE YOU THAT. DID I NOT SAY THAT? my response was more on the barely win to a sucky browns team. We did technically barely win. pot calling the kettle black? i'm not preaching to you. i'm staying out of your threads whodi. Get a grip dude. No one is talking down to you. Get a grip? I've got a grip. It's your style whodi. It always has been. 90% of your posts are you picking through posts looking to pounce on something. That's the way it is. I'm just saying you should know me by now and try to show a little respect. You know I'm not an idiot, yet you jump on the "barely win" point and write a paragraph about how bad the browns are. Did I say somewhere that we just beat the eventual NFC North champs? NO. Christ.
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09-15-2006, 12:18 PM	#11
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09-15-2006, 12:53 PM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	And we did not BARELY win...we dominated and the score was closer than it should have been. Go look at the stats. We played a hell of a game and kicked too many field goals. Isn't your last sentence what directly led to us BARELY WINNING.?Make no mistake about it, we barely won. If not for some Browns mistakes, we may have lost. Did we dominate them? We sure did. But we still barely won. And I don't care what anyone on here is saying trying to thump up the Browns, they suck. They were playing with their 4th or 5th center, on a line that isn't that good to begin with. Charlie Frye IS NOT an elite NFL QB, or even close, and Reuben Droughns is a former FB turned serviceable RB by a stint in Denver. Winslow is coming off being out two straight years with injury, and Braylon one year with injury. I am damn happy with the win, make no mistake about it, cause that is the kinda game we may have pissed away in the past. But for pete's sake, let's not make it more than it was. We will get better, our young guys will get more experience, and we will continue to grow as a team. But it was just the Browns, a bottom feeding team. We have the big boys coming up after GB so we will know for sure where we are then. Not much to be learned from beating the scrubs except we are definitely more focused, have a leader on O, have some serious talent, and seem to be cutting out a lot of the mental errors. We will be tested soon enough.

09-15-2006, 01:22 PM	#13
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	If I may play the part of mediator here, I'd like to say that I understand both sides of the issue here. Shackney, I appreciate your enthusiasm. I love the Saints as much as you. I'm guessing that Euph is of the idea of 39 times bitten 38 times shy. Show me some consistency and wins and I'll believe it when I see it. I'm excited that there have been some changes made on this team that apparently go in the right direction. I, like Euphoria, keep my expectations low and hope to be surprised by the end result. It doesn't make him less of a fan. Just a trepidous one. All that said, this site appeals to most of us as a sort of gentlemans site. We've seen our share of idiots try to ruin it with name calling and angry tirades and, speaking for myself, it's nice to have an informative site with arguments that make points without attempting to piss each other off with belittling statements. I enjoy your input, Shack. So understand that I'm not attacking you. On a lighter note, why IS your name Euphoria? Do you get high after all the losses to quell the pain?

09-15-2006, 03:25 PM	#19
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	I love how, toward the end of each week with no real news and lots of hope and expectation, we all lose a little patience and wind up spitting at each other from our own little hells. with an assist from Milton, 500 years late.

09-15-2006, 03:26 PM	#20
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	No, you didn't. But what you DID say was all this wins are hard to come by in the NFL and other type stuff. To me, that's preachy. We ALL know that. But a bad team is a bad team. I didn't disrespect your opinion or you. I gave my opinion. It seems to be your style to get all sensitive about it. And once again, I responded to everything you said, I didn't pick one point and just stay there. That has never been "my style." My style has been more to take what a person says, point by point, and respond to each point. As wheelman will tell you, recently I have chosen to not be so long winded. But i'll go back to what you originally said: I don't like discrediting wins against anybody in the NFL. Outside of Euph, who is discrediting the win? I'd call it putting the win in perspective. I don't think anyone disrespected anyone to do that either. So, if you are going to discredit a road win against a team that we are about equal to, you don't know this league. You don't know this league? Seems preachy to me, but I am still trying to figure out who is discrediting the win so forgive me. And we did not BARELY win...we dominated and the score was closer than it should have been. Go look at the stats. We played a hell of a game and kicked too many field goals. You took an adamant stance, I countered it, and now you are saying you agree we were lucky to win. Well why such an adamant stance originally? See? I could go back to that, but why? I'd choose to single out a point as a STARTING spot, then respond to the rest. But no matter, for some reason you took offense to what I said, even though nowhere in there did I disrespect you, and most of it was talk of how we were gonna improve. I'll try not to step on your sensibilities in the future. Damn.