Is Payton pushing Bush to hard?

Madmarsha · 10-01-2006, 09:05 PM

Reggie's going to get his first touchdown next week. Yeah, I know it's pretty much a no brainer but I'm just going by how my bones feel. I don't know if Payton is pushing him too hard since Colston has proven he's consistent and does a great job protecting the ball. So I dunno if Payton's THAT frustrated with Bush, but Reggie's got to feel like he thinks everyone is looking at him waiting for him to prove himself. He had a bad game today. I wonder how much he's working under his own instincts and it hasn't quite worked out for him yet or if he's not doing what he's being told to do. I mean, the sideline, sideline, sideline route is really becoming doing something the same way 99 times and expecting a different outcome the 100th time. Or will it eventually work in the NFL?

LongTimeFan · 10-01-2006, 09:08 PM

" I mean, the sideline, sideline, sideline route is really becoming doing something the same way 99 times and expecting a different outcome the 100th time. Or will it eventually work in the NFL"

it will never work in the NFL, it may work from time to time.

Madmarsha · 10-01-2006, 09:09 PM

That's what I thought. Why does he keep doing it?

I guess that's a rhetorical question. I'm just a little frustrated and it seems like Old Saints to not do something different and there was a lot of run-run-pass today towards the beginning.

jdiggy · 10-01-2006, 09:19 PM

Colston will be Rookie of the year IMO

I was just thinking about how strange it would be if the 4th player from the end of the draft won the ROY award instead of Bush.

How crazy would that be?

GoldRush26 · 10-01-2006, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Its not fair to compare the two.

Why? They're both rookies aren't they? Do you really think that after the 1st two games, he was still flying under the radar? Is that why Atlanta had their best corner (D. Hall) on him for most of the game? Do you think Carolina wasn't worried about him after all the media hype about him being the best rookie receiver in the league? I'm not dogging Bush.....he's talented. He has yet to show me, though, that he can run between the tackles consistently in the NFL. He's been dropped alot by arm tackles inside. Deuce runs through those.

Well of course Deuce is a more polished runner then Reggie he has 6 years in the league. Not all rookie RBs take to the NFL game immediately. He was so successful doing things his own way in college that it's very tough for him to adjust his game to the NFL level this quickly. All he needs to learn is patience. That's it. He has all of the physical tools to run between the tackles. Crap if Warrick Dunn, who's all of 180 lbs can pound it through the tackles there's no reason why Reggie can't.

Bush is still the most talented player on our team. I think you're understating his importance to the offense because you don't see it in his numbers. He's an enabler. He enables the other players on our offense to take advantage of favorable matchups. He enables openings for Deuce, Horn and yes even Colston. I'm not taking anything away from any of them, but there's NO WAY our offense is this successful without Bush garnering so much attention all game.

Oh and I'll check the recording but I'm pretty sure D. Hall was on Horn most of the game. Colston is a great talent and I'm glad he's on our side, but Bush has been just as valuable to our team as Colston. He just doesn't have the TDs.

AllSaints · 10-01-2006, 10:13 PM

Reggie has to learn from his mistakes..... Next week is were he makes his big break..... IMO Laurence Maroney deserves the ROY.... 1 more thing...... reggie has to understand this is NFL not college....

LongTimeFan · 10-02-2006, 06:28 AM

I'm thinking Bush will get his first TD against the Bucs Sunday, how sweet that will be at home in front of the Saint fans.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-02-2006, 08:02 AM

The Lombardi Packers made a living and won 3 championships on that "sideline to sideline" run. It's called a sweep. And to be successful, it needs some sort of blocking, the kind of blocking that gave Desghaun Foster the hole to score the late TD for the Panthers.

I see it as a combination of 2 things:
1.- Reggie trying to do too much - as in trying to go for huge plays rather than taking what the defense gives him.
2.- The line not opening the holes/relying too much on Reggie's ability.

Deuce can plow through the line when there isn't a hole, Reggie can't. DeAngelo Williams is about the same size as Reggie and he got some good runs through the middle because the Panthers o-line opened holes for him.

Now, I AM NOT DOGGING THE SAINTS O-LINE! Considering that these guys just started playing together this season, ansd most of them starting for the first time, they have done a great job. But they are going to need a little more playing time together to get to the point when they can create holes for the type of RB Reggie is. Not playing on the road against defenses like Carolina when Carolina needs to win to keep up with the divisional race would greatly help also

hagan714 · 10-02-2006, 08:41 AM

Reggie needs to learn to cut north and south not east and west. you do that in the secondary.

jdiggy · 10-02-2006, 11:04 AM

I think you're understating his importance to the offense because you don't see it in his numbers. He's an enabler. He enables the other players on our offense to take advantage of favorable matchups.

They don't give the award for ROY to the player who enabled the most.

It's a results oriented award.

10-01-2006, 09:05 PM	#11
Madmarsha Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Section 305 Posts: 97	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: *Is Payton pushing Bush to hard?* Reggie's going to get his first touchdown next week. Yeah, I know it's pretty much a no brainer but I'm just going by how my bones feel. I don't know if Payton is pushing him too hard since Colston has proven he's consistent and does a great job protecting the ball. So I dunno if Payton's THAT frustrated with Bush, but Reggie's got to feel like he thinks everyone is looking at him waiting for him to prove himself. He had a bad game today. I wonder how much he's working under his own instincts and it hasn't quite worked out for him yet or if he's not doing what he's being told to do. I mean, the sideline, sideline, sideline route is really becoming doing something the same way 99 times and expecting a different outcome the 100th time. Or will it eventually work in the NFL?

10-01-2006, 09:08 PM	#12
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: *Is Payton pushing Bush to hard?* " I mean, the sideline, sideline, sideline route is really becoming doing something the same way 99 times and expecting a different outcome the 100th time. Or will it eventually work in the NFL" it will never work in the NFL, it may work from time to time.

10-01-2006, 09:09 PM	#13
Madmarsha Registered Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Section 305 Posts: 97	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: *Is Payton pushing Bush to hard?* That's what I thought. Why does he keep doing it? I guess that's a rhetorical question. I'm just a little frustrated and it seems like Old Saints to not do something different and there was a lot of run-run-pass today towards the beginning.

10-01-2006, 09:19 PM	#14
jdiggy 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ol' Metry Posts: 239	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: *Is Payton pushing Bush to hard?* Colston will be Rookie of the year IMO I was just thinking about how strange it would be if the 4th player from the end of the draft won the ROY award instead of Bush. How crazy would that be?

10-01-2006, 09:48 PM	#15
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Re: RE: Re: RE: *Is Payton pushing Bush to hard?* Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Its not fair to compare the two. Why? They're both rookies aren't they? Do you really think that after the 1st two games, he was still flying under the radar? Is that why Atlanta had their best corner (D. Hall) on him for most of the game? Do you think Carolina wasn't worried about him after all the media hype about him being the best rookie receiver in the league? I'm not dogging Bush.....he's talented. He has yet to show me, though, that he can run between the tackles consistently in the NFL. He's been dropped alot by arm tackles inside. Deuce runs through those. Well of course Deuce is a more polished runner then Reggie he has 6 years in the league. Not all rookie RBs take to the NFL game immediately. He was so successful doing things his own way in college that it's very tough for him to adjust his game to the NFL level this quickly. All he needs to learn is patience. That's it. He has all of the physical tools to run between the tackles. Crap if Warrick Dunn, who's all of 180 lbs can pound it through the tackles there's no reason why Reggie can't. Bush is still the most talented player on our team. I think you're understating his importance to the offense because you don't see it in his numbers. He's an enabler. He enables the other players on our offense to take advantage of favorable matchups. He enables openings for Deuce, Horn and yes even Colston. I'm not taking anything away from any of them, but there's NO WAY our offense is this successful without Bush garnering so much attention all game. Oh and I'll check the recording but I'm pretty sure D. Hall was on Horn most of the game. Colston is a great talent and I'm glad he's on our side, but Bush has been just as valuable to our team as Colston. He just doesn't have the TDs.
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10-01-2006, 10:13 PM	#16
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: *Is Payton pushing Bush to hard?* Reggie has to learn from his mistakes..... Next week is were he makes his big break..... IMO Laurence Maroney deserves the ROY.... 1 more thing...... reggie has to understand this is NFL not college....

10-02-2006, 06:28 AM	#17
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	I'm thinking Bush will get his first TD against the Bucs Sunday, how sweet that will be at home in front of the Saint fans.

10-02-2006, 08:02 AM	#18
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	The Lombardi Packers made a living and won 3 championships on that "sideline to sideline" run. It's called a sweep. And to be successful, it needs some sort of blocking, the kind of blocking that gave Desghaun Foster the hole to score the late TD for the Panthers. I see it as a combination of 2 things: 1.- Reggie trying to do too much - as in trying to go for huge plays rather than taking what the defense gives him. 2.- The line not opening the holes/relying too much on Reggie's ability. Deuce can plow through the line when there isn't a hole, Reggie can't. DeAngelo Williams is about the same size as Reggie and he got some good runs through the middle because the Panthers o-line opened holes for him. Now, I AM NOT DOGGING THE SAINTS O-LINE! Considering that these guys just started playing together this season, ansd most of them starting for the first time, they have done a great job. But they are going to need a little more playing time together to get to the point when they can create holes for the type of RB Reggie is. Not playing on the road against defenses like Carolina when Carolina needs to win to keep up with the divisional race would greatly help also
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10-02-2006, 08:41 AM	#19
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Reggie needs to learn to cut north and south not east and west. you do that in the secondary.

10-02-2006, 11:04 AM	#20
jdiggy 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ol' Metry Posts: 239	RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: *Is Payton pushing Bush to hard?* I think you're understating his importance to the offense because you don't see it in his numbers. He's an enabler. He enables the other players on our offense to take advantage of favorable matchups. They don't give the award for ROY to the player who enabled the most. It's a results oriented award.

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