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Aaron has been a very good quarterback for the Saints the last 3-years. He is the only quarterback in Saints history to win a playoff game and he has had several come from behind wins. Does he have what it takes to be an elite NFL quarterback? I think the anwser is yes. I think he is cool in the pocket, has a great arm, and is very moblie. Are there somethings that he is lacking? Sure, but are there any QB's that aren't? There arn't many currnet NFL QB's I would rather have playing for the Saints right now. All of you who say Arron doesn't have what it takes haven't looked at what he has done since he has been with the Saints. As a matter a fact I don't think there is a current NFl quarterback with as much potential as Aaron Brooks. If anyone out there thinks there is tell me who that would be and why? O.K. maybe his cousin, Mike Vick...
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I think most of his problems are correctable. His odd backpedalling, picking up the 2nd & 3rd option, knowledge of when to run vs staying in pocket. Most QB\'s start vastly improving these in their 3rd to 4th year. I do disagree with the potential comment. There are quite a few QB\'s I\'d rather have for the long term.
Vick (obviously) Joey Harrington David Carr Peyton Manning Tom Brady Drew Bledsoe (maybe only short term) Donovan McNabb But he is on a short list of POTENTIAL superstars. I think he only has this year to show improvements, or they may work out a long term deal with Bouman. He was Haslett\'s 1st choice a few years back, and settled for Brooks when Minnesota wouldn\'t deal. |
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Joey Harrington-- not moblie enough.
David Carr-- not mobile enough. Payton Manning--not moblie enough. Tom Brady--not mobile enough. Drew Bledsoe--not mobile enough Donovan McNabb--maybe. |
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how can you even compare harrington, carr, brady and bledsoe to AB?
vick, mcnabb and manning (although manning tends to go through slumps mid season every year) i agree with but those rooks and bledsoe\'s senior citzen a$$? neither carr nor harrington have the potential or already proven talent to be better than AB, harrington is going to be injury prone his whole career and lacks a killer instinct, while carr has the physicality to be great he doesn\'t seem to be mentally tough, he might learn the mental aspects of the game better but i don\'t think he will ever react as naturally as AB does, brady has no where near the physical ability of AB and while brady is smart he has yet to prove he\'s a consistant top QB, bledsoe? that\'s just nutty talk, bledsoe is getting old and tired, a new team breathed a bit of life back into him last year but he faded down the stretch, his tour in buffalo will end just like in new england only shorter people seem to short change AB alot, he has been one of the elite top ten QB\'s the last 2 years, the fact that vick and not AB went to the pro bowl last year is a farce, AB\'s numbers the last 2 years have been excellant, although i do question his leadership ability he has already lived up to potential, if his numbers got much better then you\'re talking elway young type numbers and those guys are some of the best ever just because AB hasn\'t taken us to the super bowl YET doesn\'t mean he isnt great already, marino never made it to the super bowl his whole career and he\'s top 5 all time think about it |
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Brad Johnson (a tree) Tom Brady (a tree) Trent Dilfer (a tree) Kurt Warner (a dead tree) Elway 1998 (A shadow of his former mobility) Elway 1997 (semi-mobile at that age) Favre (OK, here\'s one I\'ll give you) Aikman (a concussed tree) Me and my bum knee and beer gut could outrun 7 out of the last 8 Superbowl QB\'s |
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Brooks does have alot of potential, but he needs to grow up. He needs to step up and be the leader that a QB should be. The list of young QBs that I think are better than Brooks is short, but you could give me McNabb and Manning over him anyday. You could add Tom Brady to that list too, he doesn\'t have a decent reciever or running back in New England.
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On the subject of mobilty. Don\'t you think a moblile quarterback is more dangerous than one who isn\'t?
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After reading rusta’s post, I decided to hit the streets and hit the players and people associated with the post, with the really tough questions, as only I can. Sit back and read the responses.
how can you even compare harrington, carr, brady and bledsoe to AB? Hey, rusta here, what I meant to say was how can you even compare Harrington or carr to AB? I do realize that Brady has won a Super Bowl and Bledsoe will one day be in the Hall of Fame. It was a typo, or something. Damn, can’t a brotha get a break around here??? vick, mcnabb and manning (although manning tends to go through slumps mid season every year) i agree with but those rooks and bledsoe\'s senior citzen a$$? Hey, rusta again- look, I know Brady isn’t technically a rook and Bledsoe’s senior citizen ass will one day be waving to us all from the steps at Canton. I haven’t got my medication refilled- why are you people hating??? neither carr nor harrington have the potential or already proven talent to be better than AB, Heh heh, me again (rusta). I don’t fully comprehend how detrimental my run-on sentences can be at getting my point across, but who cares? You’d think English mattered, or something. While the above statement is technically true, I did not take into account that they have only played in the NFL ONE FREAKING YEAR! harrington is going to be injury prone his whole career and lacks a killer instinct, Joey Harrington here- I know I was injured last year, but that does not relate into me being injured off and on for the rest of my career. I have the same chance as any other friggin QB in this league to succeed. And don’t let my nice guy persona fool you into thinking I don’t have a killer instinct. Plenty of nice guy QB’s have gone on to win it all- Troy Aikman, Kurt Warner, Roger Staubach- the list is endless. while carr has the physicality to be great he doesn\'t seem to be mentally tough, he might learn the mental aspects of the game better but i don\'t think he will ever react as naturally as AB does, Hello everyone, my name is David Carr- I got your mental toughness, right here. I could throw a football through your peanut sized head…from Fresno. brady has no where near the physical ability of AB and while brady is smart he has yet to prove he\'s a consistant top QB, Hi, my name is Tom Brady- I got a Super Bowl ring…what you got, *****? bledsoe? that\'s just nutty talk, bledsoe is getting old and tired, a new team breathed a bit of life back into him last year but he faded down the stretch, his tour in buffalo will end just like in new england only shorter Drew Bledsoe here, you may remember me from such pro football teams, such as the New England Patriots or the Buffalo Bills. My tour won’t end in Buffalo, it’ll end in Canton…wait…haven’t we already gone over all this??? people seem to short change AB alot, he has been one of the elite top ten QB\'s the last 2 years, the fact that vick and not AB went to the pro bowl last year is a farce, Rusta- I made a smart statement- hip hip horray! So leet- yes! AB\'s numbers the last 2 years have been excellant, although i do question his leadership ability he has already lived up to potential, if his numbers got much better then you\'re talking elway young type numbers and those guys are some of the best ever just because AB hasn\'t taken us to the super bowl YET doesn\'t mean he isnt great already, marino never made it to the super bowl his whole career and he\'s top 5 all time Rusta again- did I forget to mention that I like to compare the greatest of all time to a guy who hasn’t started 3 full seasons??? Bow down to my mighty powah! think about it Yeah, I thought about it and realized that this has to be the single most ignorant post I have ever read since I started coming to these boards. You make some decent posts from time to time, but this is out of character. Are you not feeling well today? On the mobility, name me one mobile QB that has won a Super Bowl in the modern era. You can have your mobility, give me the Super Bowl victory. |
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I believe the last \"mobile\" QB to win a Super Bowl was Steve Young in 95 with the Niners. Damn at my 49ers Super Bowl information. :casstet: As far as mobility is concerned, it is completely overrated. Give me a true pocket passer any day of the week over the Vicks, McNabbs, and Culpeppers. Their careers don\'t last near as long and they are moving targets for a full-speed linebacker or free safety to rip their heads off. If MOST of the \"mobile\" QB\'s were to stay in the pocket most of the time, they\'d be barely above average.....if they\'re lucky.
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Most of us agree that AB has great potential. He has natural ability and an instinct for playing football. The question is if he is just riding his talent to take him where he wants to go or is he willing to work as hard as he can, listen to his coaches (it doesn\'t help if Haz and the back-up look at photos and analyze the mistakes!) and elevate the play of his offensive teammates.
Would I like to see some of the players here in a Saints uniform? Hell yeah, but I\'m pretty happy with AB. His numbers are pretty impressive as it is (although a little misleading) and he still has room to grow. Maybe it\'s good that Jake is gone, at least we won\'t have that discussion again. Does anyone want to start Bouman over Brooks (if AB is fit)? |
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BlackandBlue, that\'s some good stuff man..lol. But anwser me this? If you had 2 quarterbacks with the same skills execpt one was mobile, wouldn\'t the mobile quarterback be better. I\'ll anwser it for you. Of couse. When the protection breaks down and you have to have 10 yards for a first down with a blitzer running at you, woud you want Kurt Warner or John Elway(in his prime)
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ok B&B your post had some good comic value but no substance
let\'s start again brady- yeah he\'s got a ring, so does dilfer, and your point? dilfer got laid off right after his super bowl win, brady had an average year after his, but he had no receivers , neither did dilfer, are you saying dilfer is better than AB because he has a ring? at this point brady is a flash in the pan, he may prove me wrong this year but for now give me AB carr and harrington- brooks went to the second round of the playoffs his first year, granted brooks was on a better team than either of these guys but AB had over 3000 yds passing and 20+ td\'s his first year as a starter not to mention what he brought in using his legs, oh wait AB has done that every year he has been a starter, you think either of these guys will do that their second year? bledsoe- he\'s been a great QB, BEEN a great QB, i never said he hasn\'t had a great career, but his career is coming to a close within the next 3-4 years, as great as his career has been he never lived up to the potential people put on him, he\'s got a few more years, give me AB( that was the point of this thread who would you rather have? ) i didn\'t compare AB to marino or any other of the top QB\'s of all time, you made it a point that AB wasn\'t sh!t since he didn\'t have a ring, neither does marino, that was my point, you\'re right dup2, i forgot about marino\'s super bowl flub in case you haven\'t looked at the numbers, AB has a good a start to a career as anyone could hope for, at his current pace he wil be one of the best of all time your post was funny but if all you can gather to back it up is jokes directed at my grammar and facts that are obvious to all and prove nothing then don\'t waste the time [Edited on 4/6/2003 by rusta] [Edited on 4/6/2003 by rusta] |
Aaron Brooks
Drew Bledsoe will never ever make it to the hall of fame. If she does the whole thing is a sham.
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While I have to agree with Rusta and his selections of who he wouldn\'t take over Aaron Brooks right now, I will have to argue the fact that Brooks is a great QB. He is a good QB at best and has proven that he can\'t lead a team mentally. While he once could single handedly win a game, he seems to have decided he is not a mobile QB, except backwards, and wants to be a pocket passer. While he has a gun for an arm, he lacks touch and pocket presence. He is a good QB, and still young enough to have potential. He couldn\'t carry Marino\'s lunch pail, but few can.
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Aaron Brooks
You got it Lumm. Brooks has incredible physcial skills, A cannon of an arm with legs to match,but he does not seem to have developed pocket awareness and footwork when in trouble or good decision making ability yet. He also is definitely short on leadership skills.It is way to early to close the book on Brooks he may yet develop the mental skills needed to become one of the leagues best but he is not there yet. This was the knock on Brooks when he came into the league, great skills but a biscuit brain. For the sake of the Saints and the the coach who has placed so much faith in him I hope he does come around soon. Its not that I think Brooks is a bad QB far from it I just do not hold him in as high esteem as some here. With all the weapons this team has we don\'t need Brooks to be great, just smart.
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These factual gems are so good, allow me to list them out 1)neither carr nor harrington have the potential or already proven talent to be better than AB 2)harrington is going to be injury prone his whole career and lacks a killer instinct 3)while carr has the physicality to be great he doesn\'t seem to be mentally tough, he might learn the mental aspects of the game better but i don\'t think he will ever react as naturally as AB does 4)(in reference to Bledsoe) his tour in buffalo will end just like in new england only shorter Hey rusta, you\'re so good at predicting the future, can you tell me if I\'m going to win the lottery Wednesday night? I got a whole sheet of tickets. You know, I think Al Davis is gay as a parade, but that don\'t make it fact. You forgot to mention in your comparison between Brooks and Carr/Harrington, is that Brooks didn\'t start his rookie year- he also had one of the best QB\'s of all time to learn from during that time. I\'m not typing this because I think you are wrong about who is better than who. I just think that the points you made as to why were crazy. I think Deuce is better than Ricky- why, I can\'t tell you, I just do. What I don\'t do is start creating issues that these player\'s might or might not have to support my point. Attacking someone\'s grammar is something I don\'t do if I feel like the person is trying. It\'s a pet peeve of mine, heaven help us all if we get some new guy in here that types in \"dude speak\"- makes me want to ram my head into my monitor. Bledsoe going to the Hall is not that far off- he\'s lacking 5000 yards before he breaks 40,000 for his career, that coupled with his TD total should be enough to get him in. And, yes, If I had to choose between two QB\'s with the same exact skills, only one was mobile and the other wasn\'t, I\'d take the mobile QB. But if I had to choose between two guys, who\'s arms were the same strength and were both just as accurate, only one has won a super bowl, and the other was mobile, give me the super bowl champ any day of the week. [Edited on 4/6/2003 by BlackandBlue] |
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Things he needs to do better...
1. Screen pass, he is horrible at selling the screen. He starts tippy-toeing when the huddle breaks. I can spot it on his 2nd step back after a 6 Coronas. 2. 3rd down, field goal range, just don\'t take a sack AB, don\'t take a sack...Dang, sacked for 12 yard loss, no FG, punt through the end zone. He must have done this 2 zillion times. 3. 3rd and 6, AB scrambles out of pocket, he can run for 1st down plus 10 more easy, dang, he throws into triple coverage, incomplete !?!?!? WTF was that??? 4. Throws a pick, his fault, smiles from ear to ear. WR drops a good ball, he smiles from ear to ear. GET IN SOMEBODY\'S FACE AB!!!! CHEW SOMEBODY\'S ARSE!!!! Act like somebody just slapped yo mamma! All 4 of these are typical of a young developing QB. But he\'s approaching the phase of his career where he\'s no longer young or developing. This is a benchmark year for him. If he\'s got the \"intangibles\" that it takes to be a winner, he must start showing it this year consistantly or it will become painfulyy clear that he may never show it. |
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I am a long time Saints fan and I will pull for the players on the field but at the risks of incurring the ire of fellow Saint\'s fans let me express my opinions on Brooks as I did at the end of the season. Brooks has the tools to be a good QB but to me he has a problem exhibiting selfish traits and not giving all as a team player. At the end of the 1st Half in the Panthers game in Charlotte he left the field with one play remaining (tweeked his thumb ?)
and during the last 3 games of the season refused to take himself out when he was giving a sub par performance due to the injury to arm or shoulder. Of course the D got blamed for colapsing in those games. But in the last game against the Panthers the D gave up 10 points while Brooks and the O got 6 points in which the receivers got the balme for dropping passes. Just and average qb should have been able to help the O get more than 10. The coach refused to pull him and Brooks wouldn\'t admit he couldn\'t get the job done so the opportunity for a playoff game was lost. As far as potential everyone has it to a certain degree, however Parcells said it best, potential means you haven\'t done it yet. That was last season and I\'m hoping Haslett has corrected some attitudes so the Saints can have a great season this year. Right or wrong that\'s the way I see it ! |
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Man I am getting to tired of seeing Saints fan dog and come down hard on Aaron Brooks. He\'s the only quarterback in Saints history to actually lead the team to a playoff victory. I became and Saints fan when Aaron Brooks joined the team. I used to be a Niner fan (I do live in the bay) until they start letting the great ones go (Montana, Lott, Rice). So as you know I\'ve got to see Montana and Young. They were great quarterbacks. And I see that greatness in Aaron Brooks. He has to learn how to cut down on the mentall errors. When he makes a mistake he seems to make the same mistake. That\'s his only weakness. Other than that I think he\'s a great quarterback. He was hurt last season and shouldn\'t of been in there. That\'s Haslett\'s job to pull the qb if he\'s ineffective. In my opinion he\'s the greatest quarterback to ever wear a Saints uniform. The Saints have had some horrible quarterbacks in the past. The Saint fans who dog Aaron aren\'t used to seeing a great quaterback.
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First let me welcome you Tony and all the new members. Now on to your post. When we see members post about AB most of the time it\'s not really dogging him, it\'s more questioning his ability in some areas. As you put it his mental errors are something I think everyone on this board agrees with. I know I do. What scares most of us is the repetition of these same mistakes, it starts us wondering if he has the mental ability to correct this problem. I for one hope he does and finds it this year.
Believe me I like AB but at times he makes me think of someone from the Wizard of Oz. :) [Edited on 4/6/2003 by JOESAM2002] |
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Welcome Tony ,glad to hear from a convert but I must disagree with just about everything in your post
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I didn\'t take the time to read all of these posts, so I may be bringing up an old topic... but whoever said that Aaron Brooks has been a top-ten talent the last two years is right... and totally wrong too.
Brooks has been tops in the league in stats that rarely prove that the QB himself has any talent. Stats like yards, TDs, etc. are as much if not more a result of the system and talent at receiver than anything the QB does. He is below 20th in the truly important indicator rankings... such as completion percentage, efficiency, etc. Also, his intangibles are terrible. He\'s not a leader. He\'s selfish, he hasn\'t shown much ability to learn and stop making the same mistakes over and over again (i.e. throwing while backpeddling, forcing the ball into Horn rather than looking for a better option, not running when there\'s room to run... etc.). I will agree that Aaron has a lot of PHYSICAL ability, and that gives him potential. However, I have seen very little that shows me that Aaron Brooks is capable of being the type of leader and/or student of the game that a truly good NFL quarterback must be. Take a look at the QBs that have been in the last three, four, five Super Bowls. Have they been the best athletes or the best managers of the game. Let\'s consider... Gannon, Johnson, Brady, Warner, Dilfer, Collins... yeah, those guys are REAL athletic... No, successful NFL QBs are good field generals. They realize that their only job is to make as few mistakes as possible and get the ball out of their hands and into the hands of their true weapons ASAP. Until Brooks understands that he will be moderately successful at best. |
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So what ya\'ll are saying is and correct me if i\'m wrong. Vince Lombardi, if he were still around, could preach, teach, shout , drill and anything else to show a rock and make it understand? Please don\'t get me wrong, i\'m not calling AB a rock, but Young and Montana, Farve and a few others have the mentality to learn quickly and maintain that knowledge. I\'m not sure AB has the same ability. I hope it shows up this year. I have to agree with some, mobility is fine but you have to know what to do with that mobility too.
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AB needs to grow the **** up. Until he becomes the leader of this team, his physical talents won\'t mean crap. This kid has the goods, he could become a good QB one day, he shows flashes of his potential all the time. But when he throws an int and smiles as he goes back to the sideline is inexcusable. When he did it last year, I wanted to run on the field and smack the damn thing off his face. If he matures the sky could be the limit for this kid, but until he does he will struggle and so will we.
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I think Brooks just needs to grow up. I think he lacks the maturity to deliver when it counts. He can throw. He can run, when either he or the coach decides. The coaches may not call your number much as a primary runner, but a QB has to have the instinct and field vision to know it is right to run. The lack of redzone bootlegs is a coaching decision. Although Brooks could be highly efffective at running these. This year will be a critcal year in his career. He has starting experience and has some excellent receivers. I think it is going to come down to those moments when we are struggling for Brooks to show his leadership skills. The kind of player who realizez it isn\'t happening as it is and then make things happen. Leadership which is a very important part of QB\'ing. Alot of guys can pass far and accurate, but how do they field general? Brooks needs to step up make good decisions, show leadership and rallying skills. I wasn\'t certain what leadership skills Delhomme had. I don\'t think any of us saw enough of him to know. He will have his opportunity this year. Coaches certainly have to focus on our bench QB\'s to see if they notice that leadership ability.
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Gator... why did you even bring up Delhomme\'s name? I know that we agree more than we disagree on this topic, now you\'re just trying to stir up the sh!t. My assessment of Brooks has absolutely nothing to do with Delhomme. Do I think Delhomme deserved to get a shot in NO? Yes... but that\'s irrelevant now.
I don\'t care who our quarterback is as long as they do a few things - learn, manage well, distribute the ball quickly to a variety of players, lead, and don\'t make mistakes. None of these things sound like Brooks to me. Can he be good? Absolutely. I just think he is the wrong guy for our system and our team. With our team Dilfer could have his numbers... better actually b/c his efficiency would be better... |
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Who Dat,
Delhomme deserved a chance? I\'m just curious to why you would say that? Is it because of the incrediable numbers he has put up? I don\'t think so. Or could it be you feel like Brooks should be perfect in just his 3rd year? Rome wasn\'t built in a day. Brooks has done about a good of a job as anyone could have done. Has he made mistakes? Yes, of couse. So did Terry Bradshaw, John Elway, Rich Gannon, and everyother QB that has ever played the game. As far as Jake, I think he deserves a chance (with the Panthers) and now he\'s got it. Give me Aarron over Jake anyday. |
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Gator,
You two make a cute cuuple. You know it\'s legal in Vegas. |
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Here\'s the final say on Aaron Brooks (and a summary of 3 zillion posts) ... Brooks: Positves: All necessary physical skills to be great Negatives: Needs to show more leadership abilities Outlook: This year will determine if he sinks or swims On to the next skill player |
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Ok gator, I\'ll take your word for it. Your posts usually hit a little harder.
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Gator, you smooth talker you. You made me think of a song.\" R E S P E C T\", that\'s what us old guys look for. LOL :D
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Joe, Gator - I think that in light of Pak\'s apparent exodus, we should honor his name by forming a loose alliance... we\'ll call ourselves the Rat Pak. What do you say?
Gator - I know you wear an Aaron Brooks jersey to bed every night you traitor!! ;) Bottom line - Jake is better than Aaron and he\'ll prove it... HA HA. For those that don\'t know I\'m just kidding. But I do think the kid will be successful in this league b/c he has the right set of intangibles. Brooks on the other hand... well, I just hope I\'m wrong about him. Of course, if I\'m not I will find out where Saintfan lives and glue 1,675,904 pictures of Jake Delhomme to his house... anybody want to help? |
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Subguy, B&B, D_it_up - you guys are welcome to join also. I apologize for not enviting you in that last post... you guys are welcome too of course... you newer guys... sorry. There\'s history here... ;) Did I forget anyone else, by the way? I\'m sure I did. I\'ve been incognito myself for a while.
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some times i think you guys really are delusional:P :P
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I can see it now, the Three Pakratketeers! Saving Saintsland from the Evil Doers. LOL :D
[Edited on 7/6/2003 by JOESAM2002] |
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gator it\'s just nice to see people stoop to my level every once in a while
youknow the whole pot talking to the kettle thing? [Edited on 7/6/2003 by rusta] |
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Mark my words Gatorman, if this season goeas as the last two we all may become pot heads.
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