TheDeuce

That's an interesting point about co-MVP. I think this whole thing boils down to that billion year-old argument: "How do you define most valuable player?"

The guys in the LT camp have it pretty easy. They can just sit there and point their fingers' and say look at this guy, look at every freakin record he smashed this year. And they have a point, the guy is, IMO, the best player in the NFL hands down. If you went by pure statistics and records broken and that kind of approach, there's no question that LT is the best player in the league. But is he the most valuable? This, I'm not so sure about. I define most valuable player as a guy in the lineup who helps his team win, and if he isn't there, that team has absolutely no shot of winning. If LT was gone, would the Chargers still win? I think they could. You give them a middle of the road NFL running back in his place, they still have a solid team. Rivers at QB, Antonio Gates at TE, and a ferocious defense. Hell, the Ravens are basically doing it.

So let's look at Brees, although he lacks behind LT in the sheer statistical domination of some pretty monumental NFL records, he's not doing too shabby in the stats department himself. He's on course to have one of the greatest seasons ever posted by a QB in the history of this league. His passing yards are completely ridiculous, and he's got 25 TDs and 10 INTs. That's a dang good season. But, forget the stats for a minute, let's look at his pure value to this team. He's the leader. He came in and took control of this team, a team that lacked so much focus some people probably considered prescribing the whole team a few thousand mils of aderol. He has involved virtually everybody in this offense. In fact, his 4-yard pass to that TE last night (don't know his name) was his 14th different receiver he's gotten involved this season; which I believe is an NFL record. I've never seen a team more evenly spread out when it comes to statistics (except for Brees himself). He's leading the highest ranked offense in the NFL to the playoffs after they finished second-worst in the league last season. Without him, this team falls apart. He's the centerpiece of the most dominant offense in the NFC for sure, and IMO, the NFL. We've all seen what this team did without him the last few years (sucked and sputtered and wasted talent). Drew Brees should be at least the co-MVP, but that's because of my definition of valuable.

Tobias-Reiper

The argument in favor of LT is just too strong.
- If you remove LT from the Chargers, there's NO WAY they have a season like they are having.
-If you remove Brees from the Saints, between the player skill they have and the coaching staff they have, they'd still be good.

Of course there's also the Superbowl MVP consolation award for Brees

TheDeuce

I respectfully disagree T-R. The Chargers' defense is good enough to win games without LT. Our defense is not good enough to win games without Brees. We have pretty much the same corps of players on offense (except for Bush and Colston) as we did last season and we've gone from almost last to first in terms of offense. And Colston is obviously a good player, but I think a lot of it has to do with how good Brees is making everybody look (Copper, Jammal Jones, Colston, Devery...). I think Brees is way more valuable to this team's success than LT is to the Chargers.

Fleured

Brees hands down. The QB slot here has been shaky at best for a few years prior to this year and the record for those years reflect it. for Brees to come in here and have the Saints primed to shoot for the top NFC seed is nothing short of unbelievable. His stats are astronomical and shows no signs of stopping with a slew of receivers and backs to shoulder the productivity. His MVP nomination would surely be indicative of the great strides the whole front office made to make this team the contender it is this year. And in the middle of the hoopla is the one Drew Brees. Give hime the trophy, already.

Co-MVP's seem to cheapen what is supposed to be a singular observation. Why not give it the whole Saints offense while we're at it?

heyyy......

SaintPauly

I think if Brees breaks Marino's season passing yards record, than he should be MVP hands down. That's a way harder record to break, than the TD record, that has been broken 3 times in 5 seasons. Especially considering Drew's last name isn't Manning. : )

UK_WhoDat

I am in TheDeuce camp (and I ain't gonna repeat myself so http://blackandgold.net/site/index.p...74b638a6a7c204 )

SapperSaint

After watching the NFL Network and ESPN last night; they were making the same points as TheDeuce. What makes some one valueable? I think T-R, if you look at the fact you mentioned about player skill level, we had the players. Year after year we listened to sports writers talk about how much talent we had on this team and yet we did nothing. Jezz, most of the people on this site wanted Henderson gone, now look at him. Drew has been the leader this team has needed for a very long time. He has been the influence that these players have wanted and deserved to have. Yes, coaching has made a huge difference and Coach Payton will get the Coach of the Year for it. But without Drew I don't think we are 9-4; maybe 6-7. JMO.

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