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billyh1026 · 06-21-2003, 11:35 PM

wrong again billy.......when the rams won the super bowl in 1999 they had the top ranked D in the league.. giving up only 15.8 points per game......... theres the link to prove it....

http://www.spreadwinners.com/Defense/defense.asp

I stand corrected. Thanks Pak. You made my case even stronger.
BillyC, there is no spin to it. You said there were more QB\'s drafted #1 than any other position. I just corrected your mistake.
Ditto Pak\'s last post about sheeeeeeeeet.
To answer your question BillyC, is it the Center? He touches the ball as much as anyone. Make a few bad line assignment calls....muff a few snaps and have it blamed on someone else....get bull rushed at opportune times...hmmm..yeah, must be the Center...

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-22-2003, 11:21 AM

billyh1026,

Do you even watch football? With that ridiculous post you just made.....one must wonder..........................

WhoDat · 06-23-2003, 04:54 PM

BC - this discussion is about \"what position an organization builds a team around\"??? And here I thought it was about how to build a winning team... I mean didn\'t you compare Trent Dilfer to Aaron Brooks to call me out after I made point after point that you couldn\'t dispute about a team fitting players to its scheme???

But, if you really want to get into it about the most important player on the field then I say that the middle linebacker is just as important as the QB. In fact, he is the \"qb\" of th defense... and last I checked more teams have won a SB with great defense than great offense.

Oh, and your war analogy... it\'s poo. You see, the QB may be called the \"field general\", but he\'s not. All of the strategy, all of the \"orders\"... they come from the sidelines. THe coaches are the generals... qbs are more like Lieutenants... just as MLBs are...

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-23-2003, 05:00 PM

Let\'s get to the heart of the matter.............

Every position on the football field is important. I think we can agree on that? The middle linebacker can be an important part of the defense. He can be responsible for many things. However, it could be another position on defense that is responsible for calling the defensive plays.

Now here\'s the important part. On offense the QB is always responsible for making the adjustments. Not the receivers, running backs , tighends, etc...

WhoDat,

We both know you can do better....

lumm0x · 06-23-2003, 05:16 PM

Billy and WhoDat, you both bring up lots of good points and arguements. A quick comment I\'d like to throw in that goes back to BillyC\'s original post.....
A football team\'s offense is like an engine, you assemble all of the parts and try to tune it to a perfectly operating machine. First off, you need almost all of the parts to work for the engine to run. Secondly, the QB would be the most important part of this offensive engine.
As the builder of the engine, do you want a part that will operate at a consistent level or do you want an erratic part, capable of record breaking performance at times, and a total inability to operate at others? Consistency is very coachable. You know what you\'ll get and work within that scope. With an erratic QB how can you plan for breakdowns? The only way you can is a capable back-up. How long do you frustrate yourself when you can\'t compete during a breakdown until you stop using that part?

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-23-2003, 05:22 PM

LummOx,

I like that.

As far as how long you use and erratic part. When you build an engine, you have to break it in, or in other words, you have to run it so many miles before it performs like it should.

So in quarterback terms about 3yrs or 1,000 miles.

WhoDat · 06-23-2003, 05:25 PM

BS Billy... you\'re talking about publicity vs. importance... who is more important to our team... AB or Deuce? Now whose name is always attached to Saints? Whose face is always shown... ???

Quarterbacks get a LOT of the glory b/c their names get called 100 times a game... that\'s what happens when you touch the ball every play...

The principle is called name recognition... ask anyone in Marketing about it. Is McDonald\'s really a better burger than Wendy\'s? No... but when I say fast food what\'s the first thing that pops into your head? The same is true of football teams. Your brain begins to associate one thing with the other...

Kurt Warner was the MVP of the league... are you really going to tell me that he was MORE important to that team than Faulk was... ever? no way... QBs get a ton of credit b/c when you hear things over and over your brain subconsciously begins to equate hearing it a lot with good. Honestly, I think there are very few quarterbacks that have ever been as good or as important to their team as the hype surrounding them said they were... but that\'s just me...

Yeah, I know that was kind of off topic, but frankly I\'m getting pretty tired of this Brooks debate... hey it only took 6 months for me to tire of it... not bad!

lumm0x · 06-23-2003, 05:30 PM

Just like an engine.....it\'s all about balance. A good RB will make a QB better and vise versa. A great running back can get pretty beat up if there is no passing threat.

BillyCarpenter1 · 06-23-2003, 05:32 PM

Let\'s see if I can get this to sink in.............

The QB has more to think about than any other player on the field. Everything goes through the QB.

It\'s kind of like the CPU in your computer. It\'s the heart and soul of the process.

WhoDat · 06-23-2003, 05:41 PM

In that case the Saints have a Gig of Memory, a 120 Gig 7200 RPM drive, a DVDR, a Flat Screen Monitor... and all of the information is going through our AB 486 processor... HA HA...

Sorry for those of you who have no clue what I just said.

06-21-2003, 11:35 PM	#21
billyh1026 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	For WhoDat !!! wrong again billy.......when the rams won the super bowl in 1999 they had the top ranked D in the league.. giving up only 15.8 points per game......... theres the link to prove it.... http://www.spreadwinners.com/Defense/defense.asp I stand corrected. Thanks Pak. You made my case even stronger. BillyC, there is no spin to it. You said there were more QB\'s drafted #1 than any other position. I just corrected your mistake. Ditto Pak\'s last post about sheeeeeeeeet. To answer your question BillyC, is it the Center? He touches the ball as much as anyone. Make a few bad line assignment calls....muff a few snaps and have it blamed on someone else....get bull rushed at opportune times...hmmm..yeah, must be the Center...
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06-22-2003, 11:21 AM	#22
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	For WhoDat !!! billyh1026, Do you even watch football? With that ridiculous post you just made.....one must wonder..........................
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06-23-2003, 04:54 PM	#23
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	For WhoDat !!! BC - this discussion is about \"what position an organization builds a team around\"??? And here I thought it was about how to build a winning team... I mean didn\'t you compare Trent Dilfer to Aaron Brooks to call me out after I made point after point that you couldn\'t dispute about a team fitting players to its scheme??? But, if you really want to get into it about the most important player on the field then I say that the middle linebacker is just as important as the QB. In fact, he is the \"qb\" of th defense... and last I checked more teams have won a SB with great defense than great offense. Oh, and your war analogy... it\'s poo. You see, the QB may be called the \"field general\", but he\'s not. All of the strategy, all of the \"orders\"... they come from the sidelines. THe coaches are the generals... qbs are more like Lieutenants... just as MLBs are...
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

06-23-2003, 05:00 PM	#24
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	For WhoDat !!! Let\'s get to the heart of the matter............. Every position on the football field is important. I think we can agree on that? The middle linebacker can be an important part of the defense. He can be responsible for many things. However, it could be another position on defense that is responsible for calling the defensive plays. Now here\'s the important part. On offense the QB is always responsible for making the adjustments. Not the receivers, running backs , tighends, etc... WhoDat, We both know you can do better....
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06-23-2003, 05:16 PM	#25
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	For WhoDat !!! Billy and WhoDat, you both bring up lots of good points and arguements. A quick comment I\'d like to throw in that goes back to BillyC\'s original post..... A football team\'s offense is like an engine, you assemble all of the parts and try to tune it to a perfectly operating machine. First off, you need almost all of the parts to work for the engine to run. Secondly, the QB would be the most important part of this offensive engine. As the builder of the engine, do you want a part that will operate at a consistent level or do you want an erratic part, capable of record breaking performance at times, and a total inability to operate at others? Consistency is very coachable. You know what you\'ll get and work within that scope. With an erratic QB how can you plan for breakdowns? The only way you can is a capable back-up. How long do you frustrate yourself when you can\'t compete during a breakdown until you stop using that part?

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06-23-2003, 05:22 PM	#26
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	For WhoDat !!! LummOx, I like that. As far as how long you use and erratic part. When you build an engine, you have to break it in, or in other words, you have to run it so many miles before it performs like it should. So in quarterback terms about 3yrs or 1,000 miles.
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06-23-2003, 05:25 PM	#27
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	For WhoDat !!! BS Billy... you\'re talking about publicity vs. importance... who is more important to our team... AB or Deuce? Now whose name is always attached to Saints? Whose face is always shown... ??? Quarterbacks get a LOT of the glory b/c their names get called 100 times a game... that\'s what happens when you touch the ball every play... The principle is called name recognition... ask anyone in Marketing about it. Is McDonald\'s really a better burger than Wendy\'s? No... but when I say fast food what\'s the first thing that pops into your head? The same is true of football teams. Your brain begins to associate one thing with the other... Kurt Warner was the MVP of the league... are you really going to tell me that he was MORE important to that team than Faulk was... ever? no way... QBs get a ton of credit b/c when you hear things over and over your brain subconsciously begins to equate hearing it a lot with good. Honestly, I think there are very few quarterbacks that have ever been as good or as important to their team as the hype surrounding them said they were... but that\'s just me... Yeah, I know that was kind of off topic, but frankly I\'m getting pretty tired of this Brooks debate... hey it only took 6 months for me to tire of it... not bad!
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

06-23-2003, 05:30 PM	#28
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	For WhoDat !!! Just like an engine.....it\'s all about balance. A good RB will make a QB better and vise versa. A great running back can get pretty beat up if there is no passing threat.

06-23-2003, 05:32 PM	#29
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	For WhoDat !!! Let\'s see if I can get this to sink in............. The QB has more to think about than any other player on the field. Everything goes through the QB. It\'s kind of like the CPU in your computer. It\'s the heart and soul of the process.
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06-23-2003, 05:41 PM	#30
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	For WhoDat !!! In that case the Saints have a Gig of Memory, a 120 Gig 7200 RPM drive, a DVDR, a Flat Screen Monitor... and all of the information is going through our AB 486 processor... HA HA... Sorry for those of you who have no clue what I just said.
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