We won't stand for it anymore!

JOESAM2002 · 05-13-2007, 03:11 PM

Whoaaaaaaaaaaa there big fella. Chill, it's only an opinion.....just like anyone elses.

jergensl · 05-13-2007, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Again, you simply don't hear stories about other shootings at strip clubs if they don't involve someone in the limelight, as simple as that. I live in NC. Merely hours after the Jones incident in Las Vegas, I heard about it on the radio. Around the same date, a cop was shot and killed at a very popular night club ( no strip club) where I live. Did you hear about it? Chances are you didn't, because it involved nobodies.

For the thousands of people who get speeding tickets every day, there has to be millions who don't get caught when speeding. Have you ever gone faster than the speed limit? How would you like to get a speeding ticket, then go to work the next day abd get "suspended without pay"? Oh, yeah, they make millions for playing football, and you would get paid millions too, if you did something millions of people would want to watch, and hundreds of corporations would want to advertise on it, and people would by the same hat and shirt you were... but alas, you don't.

ok...news organizations are in the business of spreading news...a "nobody" being shot or arrested is only news in that local area, because that person's realm of influence is in that area...if a famous person is shot or arrested that is national news, because that person is known throughout the nation.

is the nfl was suspending players for simple speeding tickets you would have an argument, but they are not. dui, assault, and drug charges are much bigger than silly speeding tickets. in good quality jobs you will get suspended or even fired if you have a dui, assault, or drug charges. any employer who wouldn't has a serious lack of morals.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-13-2007, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by jergensl

ok...news organizations are in the business of spreading news...a "nobody" being shot or arrested is only news in that local area, because that person's realm of influence is in that area...if a famous person is shot or arrested that is national news, because that person is known throughout the nation.

is the nfl was suspending players for simple speeding tickets you would have an argument, but they are not. dui, assault, and drug charges are much bigger than silly speeding tickets. in good quality jobs you will get suspended or even fired if you have a dui, assault, or drug charges. any employer who wouldn't has a serious lack of morals.

I don't get the point of your reply ... guess you didn't read the whole thread.

Speaking of '"quality jobs", I don't know what you consider a "quality job", but there are such things are wrongful termination suits. It just depends on how your contract is written. But that's a discussion for another thread.

CheramieIII · 05-14-2007, 05:46 PM

Damn Reiper, I ain't no preacher and if I gave you or anyone that impression I sincerely apologize.

On another note, I do think that what Pacwoman or any other sports figure does that's illegal or continually skirts the law should have consequences.

In my profession I would have been fired a long time ago and I don't make the money they make, but it's good money and I give an honest days work.

It is their choice to be where they are, in the limelight and all and if it was their only choice then it's their own damn fault too.

jergensl · 05-14-2007, 09:23 PM

tobias,
i was commenting on your comparisons and how i thought they were misguided.

spkb25 · 05-14-2007, 10:26 PM

yo seriously one thing about T.O. the guy is never in legal trouble. i dont care so much for pacmans speeding but with what has happened in the past you would figure he would be out of trouble. like a saint just about. no pun. this cat never learns. yo man everyone is different and so is the environment you grow up in. i know that these guys are young and i am not sure that at 22 i would have been able to be as mature as needed to play in the nfl or stay in the nfl. see though that is what it comes down to. if you can't at some point mature you will be lawerence phillips. wasted talent. the end of a bad joke 10 years later. it is how it goes. these guys are given the opportunity to never ever have to work a job outside of playing in the nfl. something they are all very skilled at. it does a take a lot of work to be there. if they can't see the blessing in front of them well then they need to go. i have no pity for muarice clarett, lawerence phillips, and what will be in a year or two pacman jones. it isn't like they are being thrown out of the league after one or two issues. these cats are given a lot of chances. some actually get it and get their life in order. you know like ray lewis. the others, well they end up in jail or just silly poor because they can not get a job in the sport anymore and return to what they are. crooks and pieces of dirt. sorry i don't feel bad and i don't think anyone besides them them self are the issue that needs to be addressed.

spkb25 · 05-14-2007, 10:33 PM

also bringing unwanted attention to the place you work at will result in you being fired. unfortunately your actions outside of work can lead to you being fired or suspended.

SoulStar · 05-14-2007, 10:45 PM

Both points are valid, the players get alot of the news due to who they are which is unfair. Common sense also has to be used by the players also. Adam Jones is a poor kid who got a huge pay day, but couldnt leave the "hood life" at the door of his new manson.

If I had a history of drug use, your not going to find/hear about me at a crack house the night before I see my parole officer.

On the other hand this notion that the NFL's players need to be upstanding rolemodels is silly. They play a game/sport that gladiatoresic, the weapons are gone, the tigers have been replaced cheer leaders, but the crowd still cheers for blood and pain. This is football, where legs are broken and lifes can change in a second.

ScottyRo · 05-15-2007, 01:21 PM

The fact is that kids look up to football players and other atheletes. That makes them role models - either good or bad - whether they like it or not. Thus, I think if the NFL is going to be a socially responsible company, then it will demand that the players act in a professional way on the field and in an honorable and respectable way off the field.

If a player doesn't want to be a role model, then he shouldn't try out for the NFL. The same applies to many areas of entertainment. If you don't want your personal life hampered by the negative side of celebrity, then don't do everything you can to become a celebrity.

CheramieIII · 05-15-2007, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by SoulStar

Both points are valid, the players get alot of the news due to who they are which is unfair. Common sense also has to be used by the players also. Adam Jones is a poor kid who got a huge pay day, but couldnt leave the "hood life" at the door of his new manson.

If I had a history of drug use, your not going to find/hear about me at a crack house the night before I see my parole officer.

On the other hand this notion that the NFL's players need to be upstanding rolemodels is silly. They play a game/sport that gladiatoresic, the weapons are gone, the tigers have been replaced cheer leaders, but the crowd still cheers for blood and pain. This is football, where legs are broken and lifes can change in a second.

SoulStar, I agree with the comment that lifes can change in a second and that's why it bugs me so much that some of the players don't have any respect for what they have. It seem's to me that you would protect what you have at all costs, but hey I don't play football in the NFL.

05-13-2007, 07:37 PM	#12
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	horrible comparisons Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Again, you simply don't hear stories about other shootings at strip clubs if they don't involve someone in the limelight, as simple as that. I live in NC. Merely hours after the Jones incident in Las Vegas, I heard about it on the radio. Around the same date, a cop was shot and killed at a very popular night club ( no strip club) where I live. Did you hear about it? Chances are you didn't, because it involved nobodies. For the thousands of people who get speeding tickets every day, there has to be millions who don't get caught when speeding. Have you ever gone faster than the speed limit? How would you like to get a speeding ticket, then go to work the next day abd get "suspended without pay"? Oh, yeah, they make millions for playing football, and you would get paid millions too, if you did something millions of people would want to watch, and hundreds of corporations would want to advertise on it, and people would by the same hat and shirt you were... but alas, you don't. ok...news organizations are in the business of spreading news...a "nobody" being shot or arrested is only news in that local area, because that person's realm of influence is in that area...if a famous person is shot or arrested that is national news, because that person is known throughout the nation. is the nfl was suspending players for simple speeding tickets you would have an argument, but they are not. dui, assault, and drug charges are much bigger than silly speeding tickets. in good quality jobs you will get suspended or even fired if you have a dui, assault, or drug charges. any employer who wouldn't has a serious lack of morals.

05-13-2007, 07:47 PM	#13
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by jergensl ok...news organizations are in the business of spreading news...a "nobody" being shot or arrested is only news in that local area, because that person's realm of influence is in that area...if a famous person is shot or arrested that is national news, because that person is known throughout the nation. is the nfl was suspending players for simple speeding tickets you would have an argument, but they are not. dui, assault, and drug charges are much bigger than silly speeding tickets. in good quality jobs you will get suspended or even fired if you have a dui, assault, or drug charges. any employer who wouldn't has a serious lack of morals. I don't get the point of your reply ... guess you didn't read the whole thread. Speaking of '"quality jobs", I don't know what you consider a "quality job", but there are such things are wrongful termination suits. It just depends on how your contract is written. But that's a discussion for another thread.
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05-14-2007, 05:46 PM	#14
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Damn Reiper, I ain't no preacher and if I gave you or anyone that impression I sincerely apologize. On another note, I do think that what Pacwoman or any other sports figure does that's illegal or continually skirts the law should have consequences. In my profession I would have been fired a long time ago and I don't make the money they make, but it's good money and I give an honest days work. It is their choice to be where they are, in the limelight and all and if it was their only choice then it's their own damn fault too.
	Golf and sex are about the only things you can enjoy without being good at them. Jimmy Demaret

05-14-2007, 09:23 PM	#15
jergensl 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belleview, FL Posts: 526	explanation tobias, i was commenting on your comparisons and how i thought they were misguided.

05-14-2007, 10:26 PM	#16
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	yo seriously one thing about T.O. the guy is never in legal trouble. i dont care so much for pacmans speeding but with what has happened in the past you would figure he would be out of trouble. like a saint just about. no pun. this cat never learns. yo man everyone is different and so is the environment you grow up in. i know that these guys are young and i am not sure that at 22 i would have been able to be as mature as needed to play in the nfl or stay in the nfl. see though that is what it comes down to. if you can't at some point mature you will be lawerence phillips. wasted talent. the end of a bad joke 10 years later. it is how it goes. these guys are given the opportunity to never ever have to work a job outside of playing in the nfl. something they are all very skilled at. it does a take a lot of work to be there. if they can't see the blessing in front of them well then they need to go. i have no pity for muarice clarett, lawerence phillips, and what will be in a year or two pacman jones. it isn't like they are being thrown out of the league after one or two issues. these cats are given a lot of chances. some actually get it and get their life in order. you know like ray lewis. the others, well they end up in jail or just silly poor because they can not get a job in the sport anymore and return to what they are. crooks and pieces of dirt. sorry i don't feel bad and i don't think anyone besides them them self are the issue that needs to be addressed.
	Your team stinks

05-13-2007, 03:11 PM	#11
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Whoaaaaaaaaaaa there big fella. Chill, it's only an opinion.....just like anyone elses.

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05-14-2007, 10:33 PM	#17
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	also bringing unwanted attention to the place you work at will result in you being fired. unfortunately your actions outside of work can lead to you being fired or suspended.

05-14-2007, 10:45 PM	#18
SoulStar 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arlington Tx Posts: 157	Both points are valid, the players get alot of the news due to who they are which is unfair. Common sense also has to be used by the players also. Adam Jones is a poor kid who got a huge pay day, but couldnt leave the "hood life" at the door of his new manson. If I had a history of drug use, your not going to find/hear about me at a crack house the night before I see my parole officer. On the other hand this notion that the NFL's players need to be upstanding rolemodels is silly. They play a game/sport that gladiatoresic, the weapons are gone, the tigers have been replaced cheer leaders, but the crowd still cheers for blood and pain. This is football, where legs are broken and lifes can change in a second.
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05-15-2007, 01:21 PM	#19
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	The fact is that kids look up to football players and other atheletes. That makes them role models - either good or bad - whether they like it or not. Thus, I think if the NFL is going to be a socially responsible company, then it will demand that the players act in a professional way on the field and in an honorable and respectable way off the field. If a player doesn't want to be a role model, then he shouldn't try out for the NFL. The same applies to many areas of entertainment. If you don't want your personal life hampered by the negative side of celebrity, then don't do everything you can to become a celebrity.

05-15-2007, 05:51 PM	#20
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by SoulStar Both points are valid, the players get alot of the news due to who they are which is unfair. Common sense also has to be used by the players also. Adam Jones is a poor kid who got a huge pay day, but couldnt leave the "hood life" at the door of his new manson. If I had a history of drug use, your not going to find/hear about me at a crack house the night before I see my parole officer. On the other hand this notion that the NFL's players need to be upstanding rolemodels is silly. They play a game/sport that gladiatoresic, the weapons are gone, the tigers have been replaced cheer leaders, but the crowd still cheers for blood and pain. This is football, where legs are broken and lifes can change in a second. SoulStar, I agree with the comment that lifes can change in a second and that's why it bugs me so much that some of the players don't have any respect for what they have. It seem's to me that you would protect what you have at all costs, but hey I don't play football in the NFL.