Tobias-Reiper

Well. I didn't mean it as stern as it sounded. I should've put a dancing broccoli smily or something...

... I understand what you are saying, I do... it's just the nature of this beast called profesional football. As fans, there is only one thing we can do to display or displeasure to the league, and we are not going to do it: stop patronizing the game. See? You are not going to do that Regardless of the Pacmans (or Pacwomans ), the Mexicos, the Romos, etc, we'll still watch it, and buy the jersey, and the hat, and the tickets, etc, etc etc.

But also, you need to remember, that for every Mexico, there's a Brees, a Manning, a Pennington, A Brady... and that for every Henry, there's a Colston, and Harrison, and Smith... there are plenty of high character guys playing the game. Look how many we have in Brees, Deuce, Reggie, Karney, Colston...

The PBA allows ShePac to plead his case. Hey, let him. After all, this is America...and if he gets some games back, you just know he's going to screw it up down the line, and hurt not only his pocket, but his team.

Now, let me ask you a question

Did you feel the same way when Rickey Jackson crashed his Corvette going 120 MPH and traces of cocaine were found in his car?

'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

WhoDat205

Excellent emoticon usage, Tobias.

I just hope that you all realize that we fuel the beast here. Our $30-40K a year that we use to buy tickets and beer, tvs and cable are the dollars that end up in these guys' pockets.

The players are role models*, but no one ever said that those were good things. They are also employees subject to the rules of their employers...us. (The collective) We support their behavior every Sunday, Monday and sometimes Thursday for 20 weeks a year. We start idolizing them when they're in High School (or earlier) keep it up through their formative college years and then we crucify them when they keep acting like they're the greatest thing ever. We keep giving them chances.

*American Heritage Dictionary:
role model - A person who serves as an example of the values, attitudes, and behaviors associated with a role. For example, a father is a role model for his sons. Role models can also be persons who distinguish themselves in such a way that others admire and want to emulate them. For example, a woman who becomes a successful brain surgeon or airline pilot can be described as a role model for other women.

And what does "chida" mean?

JOESAM2002

Chida= Tarzans monkey!

WhoDat205

Oh, I see, "the net is Tarzan's Monkey, but unattainable." Thanks for clearing that up.

hagan714

we got 2 threads dealing with this topic
http://www.blackandgold.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=16087
Cher i agree with you when it comes to punks but I also think you have to be careful. read my reply in the other thread

Tobias-Reiper

Very funny you two...

Ok, here's your Very Mexican Slang lesson of the day:

"La neta" stands for "the truth", "what's at the core". It comes from the difference between gross and net weight, net being what you actually get, what's real, what you can use. The actual word for truth is "verdad".

"Chida" or "Chido" could be something that is fun, good, great, or the best, or even all that there is. It all depends on context and pronunciation. I have no idea where it comes from, though.

So, the line means:
"The truth is everything, but unattainable"

It is a line from a movie called "Y tu mama tambien". A surprisingly good Mexican movie about the coming of age of two life-long friends.

'Cause the simple man pays the thrills, the bills and the pills that kill

JOESAM2002

I like the monkey thing better, at least it's easier.

SaintPauly

I think that this entire issue, is a reflection, of where the world is headed, and has been, for some time now. This "What about me" generation, is selfish, self centered, and only out to take care of one person, and that's themselves.

Sure, these guys are in the spotlight, and there are drugs, fast cars, women, and guns, but this is NOT new gentlemen. It's just more rampant, and in the spotlight more now, because as a whole, even in sports, people in this country live off drama.

Lawrence Taylor, Michael Irvin, Brett Favre, Kerry Collins, just to name a few, have all admitted that they had drug addictions, and I'm not going to sit here and judge them for those mistakes, because I'm an ex alcoholic/drug addict myself. Many people, who still drink now, are under the belief, that they are not addicted, and that they are just social drinkers. The reallity of it, will hit them soon, and probably when they are at their most vulnerable. I don't think we should take drug addicts out in the street and stone them. They don't make the drugs, and they certainly arent the ones profiting the most from them. Athletes, are human beings, just like you and me, no matter what their tax bracket.

There is a quote from the Bible, that many so called practicing christians always seem to conveniently forget, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

EVERYONE has skeletons in their closets, that they probably don't want anyone in the world to know about. It is easy to speculate, how you would act in a certain situation, if you know there is no chance in the universe that you ever will actually be in it. I could tell you all kinds of things I would do, if I was married to Jessica Alba, but the reallity is, I would probably do the same things I did in my last marriage, which was beg for sex, and take out the garbage on Thursday.

I am not advocating anything that these young men have done, but at the same time, as individuals, we all have to go our own way, and make our own mistakes. That's what makes us who we are, as human beings. Thinking that everyone on the planet needs to live up to "my idea" of what is morally acceptable in society, makes me a very pompous, and dillusional person. Drugs, guns, women, and money, are all a part of life, that's not going anywhere anytime soon. In fact, they have been around alot longer, than any of us, if you want to get technical.

Kids will look up to their own role models, no matter what mom and dad say anyway. When I was 17 I wanted to be Slash from Guns and Roses. Why? Not because he was a full blown alcoholic, but because he was the baddest guitar player I had ever seen, and no one, anywhere could have talked me out of it. That's just a part of being a kid.

What's popular is not always right, and what's right is not always popular.....

BmoreSaint

I understand what everyone is saying about this topic but I think when you are in the limelight like Athletes, Movie stars etc. You have to realize that you are going to be the hot topic and no matter what you do it will be all over TV and the internet. Meny people look at them as role modles and they are held to a higher standard then avg people. They need to take responsibility for thier actions and surround them selfs with better company if need be.

hagan714

a bible qoute from Siant paul ?