Bucs most memorable season

Batwood · 07-08-2003, 10:59 AM

...But let me bring you back to reality!!! The Bucs did nothing to improve in the off season.

Oh Billy, let me count the ways to edify you on your obvious misinformation...

1. The Buc\'s will be stronger on Defense because of several reasons, they now have Dwayne Rudd who is a far better WLB then Al Singleton and they will have Booger McFarland back on their DL who missed most of last Season. They also added great depth on already the best DL in the NFL with the top pick of Dwayne White who is tailor made for a Buc\'s DL. He has the strngth and quickness of Sapp, but he is younger, faster and taller, he will fit in quite nicely in the DL rotation even as a rookie. The Bucs have 9 out of 11 starters returning and all the key guys are intact from last year with an upgrade at Weak side LB and 3 good prospects to take D Jax\'s place.

2. The Buc\'s Offense will be much improved as last Season was their first Season in Grudens complicated Offense and it took them most of the Season to get it down and they were clicking after the end of the regular Season under Grudens Offense and this is why they averaged 36 ppg in the Playoffs. This Season they will have an entire extra camp and Pre-Season under Grudens Offense. Brad Johnson did a remarkable job of picking up Grudens Offense last Season and according to all reports he looks much better in camp so far this Season along with his backups. Last Season we struggled to say the least in the 3 games Brad missed, but this Season we are in much better shape in the backup QB position as Jim Miller may not be the greatest starter in the NFL, but he is a very solid backup and he has looked good in camp thus far. Chris Simms makes a decent 3rd string QB IMHO and a fututre starter in the NFL.

3. Even without Michael Pittman we are better off at the RB position with a RB by committe with Thomas Jones, Mike Alstott, Travis Stephens and Aaron Stecker. We have the same solid WR corps that finished 4th in the NFC and 10th in the league and with the addition of either Charles Lee or Jaquez Green to add depth and speed.

4. The biggest improvement will be on the OL as they add solid experienced starters in Jason Whittle from the Giants and John Wade from J-Ville. The OL will be greatly improved from the start.

I do not foresee the slow start from a year ago as they were learning a new Offense, I see their Offense clicking like it did at the end of last Season and we saw what that does combined with their great Defense. It led to outscoring their opponents in the Playoffs by 106-37, which was unheard of since the 85 Bears!

Anybody who watches football knows the Bucs have a great shot at repeating. Sure it is hard with this day of FA, but the Bucs have managed to keep virtually the entire SB team intact with a few upgrades also.

The only thing IMHO, which could derail the Buc\'s next Season is injuries, period!

BucNup · 07-08-2003, 11:06 AM

Ok then....

Now let\'s look at the evolution football chain....

Taking your same logic further.

Since you are basing your head-to-head battles as being \"superior\" then this is true:

The Saints are SUPERIOR over the Bucs. (SWEEP)
The Falcons are SUPERIOR over the Saints. (SWEEP)
The Bucs are SUPERIOR over the Falcons. (SWEEP)

(This will probably never work out like this again, but since it has, let\'s continue)

If things would have ended without anyone making any noise in the playoffs we could all argue that our teams were SUPERIOR. Right?

But Then comes the playoffs: (NOTE: The Saints were not SUPERIOR enough to be included on the list of SUPERIOR teams preparing to compete for SUPREME SUPERIORITY --AKA Super Bowl Championship)

BUCS & FALCONS

Although the Bucs and Falcons never faced off in the playoffs; SUPERIORITY in the playoffs is all about survival. The Falcons failed to take SUPERIORITY to the next level.....

Playoffs and beyond:

BUCS

So when you break this down, in your own words, the BUCS (in 2002 ) was the only SUPERIOR team in the 2002 campaign........

What you speak if are battles. You won the battles, but we won the WAR.

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-08-2003, 11:10 AM

...But let me bring you back to reality!!! The Bucs did nothing to improve in the off season.

Oh Billy, let me count the ways to edify you on your obvious misinformation...

Hey you can count.

Now, let me show the difference between wishful thinking and reality.

1. The defense probably had the best year it\'s ever going to have, no matter who is there this year. This is the only strong unit on the team.

2. The Bucs offense isn\'t going to scare anyone. I don\'t care if they run Grudens\' offense for the next 100-years. Most of the players you have on offense could not start on most teams in the NFL. I don\'t even know if they would make our 3rd string.

3. Man, your going to strain something reaching that far.....NO COMMENT NEEDED FOR THAT ONE !!

4. For a sitting duck like Brad I can\'t run Johnson, you had better hope so.

And just to show you I can count higher than you.......

5. Anyone who knows football knows the only way the Bucs have of repeating, is if all the stars line-up correctly and your guys stop going to jail.

BucNup · 07-08-2003, 11:11 AM

The only thing IMHO, which could derail the Buc\'s next Season is injuries, period!

That and execution. I\'ve talked to people until I became blue in the face about the offense. How can the offense not be ready next season? The Pittman situation is going to hurt us, because I honestly felt he was going to have a break-out season. Gruden was plugged into a formula.

THIS IS THE YEAR that we actually expected the Bucs to be explosive on offense. But he worked with what he had, although he knew the team didn\'t have the O fully and produced a championship.

Injuries is the only thing that worries me.......

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-08-2003, 11:16 AM

What you speak if are battles. You won the battles, but we won the WAR

Since our first 2 games against the Bucs ths year will be battles, I like our chances.

The only hope the Bucs have this year is if we drop off late in the season, but considering we have a better offense, defense, and special teams. I don\'t see that happening.

BlackandBlue · 07-08-2003, 11:19 AM

(This will probably never work out like this again, but since it has, let\'s continue)

Mark my words, every team in the south will split series\' with each other, causing mass chaos within the division.

BucNup · 07-08-2003, 11:26 AM

I\'m not doubting any of that B&B.... But your buddy is clinging to the Saints sweeping of us as some form of crystal ball. I was hoping that we didn\'t see the Falcons in the playoffs in all honesty. Sweeping a team is tough, but 3 times is the worst.....

BucNup · 07-08-2003, 11:28 AM

The only hope the Bucs have this year is if we drop off late in the season

We don\'t see you until week 9!!!!

I like my chances.... :P

Batwood · 07-08-2003, 11:57 AM

Now, let me show the difference between wishful thinking and reality.

1. The defense probably had the best year it\'s ever going to have, no matter who is there this year. This is the only strong unit on the team.

2. The Bucs offense isn\'t going to scare anyone. I don\'t care if they run Grudens\' offense for the next 100-years. Most of the players you have on offense could not start on most teams in the NFL. I don\'t even know if they would make our 3rd string.

3. Man, your going to strain something reaching that far.....NO COMMENT NEEDED FOR THAT ONE !!

4. For a sitting duck like Brad I can\'t run Johnson, you had better hope so.

5. Anyone who knows football knows the only way the Bucs have of repeating, is if all the stars line-up correctly and your guys stop going to jail.

Still waiting for that reality you talk of. Look at your list, it\'s ALL wishfull thinking.

1. Explain how they can\'t be better other than your keen insight \"probably had the best year it\'s ever going to have\"

2. I though Keyshawn & McCardell were starters for YEARS on other teams. Silly me. :exclam:

3. How about a comment? The Bucs run game DID improve in the biggest games of the year, how is it going to get worse? You backpeddled on that one.

4. Do you even know about Brad record as a passer in the NFC last year AND in the history of the NFL? AB can only hope to come close to his accomplishments when he is in the league as long as Brad. And again you skirted around the OL statement with a backpeddling uninformed Brad Johnson remark

5. Nice banter and shows me how well you know and debate real football talk.

BucNup · 07-08-2003, 12:01 PM

Damn....

You do sound like me........

:yltype:

07-08-2003, 10:59 AM	#21
Batwood Registered Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 55	Bucs most memorable season ...But let me bring you back to reality!!! The Bucs did nothing to improve in the off season. Oh Billy, let me count the ways to edify you on your obvious misinformation... 1. The Buc\'s will be stronger on Defense because of several reasons, they now have Dwayne Rudd who is a far better WLB then Al Singleton and they will have Booger McFarland back on their DL who missed most of last Season. They also added great depth on already the best DL in the NFL with the top pick of Dwayne White who is tailor made for a Buc\'s DL. He has the strngth and quickness of Sapp, but he is younger, faster and taller, he will fit in quite nicely in the DL rotation even as a rookie. The Bucs have 9 out of 11 starters returning and all the key guys are intact from last year with an upgrade at Weak side LB and 3 good prospects to take D Jax\'s place. 2. The Buc\'s Offense will be much improved as last Season was their first Season in Grudens complicated Offense and it took them most of the Season to get it down and they were clicking after the end of the regular Season under Grudens Offense and this is why they averaged 36 ppg in the Playoffs. This Season they will have an entire extra camp and Pre-Season under Grudens Offense. Brad Johnson did a remarkable job of picking up Grudens Offense last Season and according to all reports he looks much better in camp so far this Season along with his backups. Last Season we struggled to say the least in the 3 games Brad missed, but this Season we are in much better shape in the backup QB position as Jim Miller may not be the greatest starter in the NFL, but he is a very solid backup and he has looked good in camp thus far. Chris Simms makes a decent 3rd string QB IMHO and a fututre starter in the NFL. 3. Even without Michael Pittman we are better off at the RB position with a RB by committe with Thomas Jones, Mike Alstott, Travis Stephens and Aaron Stecker. We have the same solid WR corps that finished 4th in the NFC and 10th in the league and with the addition of either Charles Lee or Jaquez Green to add depth and speed. 4. The biggest improvement will be on the OL as they add solid experienced starters in Jason Whittle from the Giants and John Wade from J-Ville. The OL will be greatly improved from the start. I do not foresee the slow start from a year ago as they were learning a new Offense, I see their Offense clicking like it did at the end of last Season and we saw what that does combined with their great Defense. It led to outscoring their opponents in the Playoffs by 106-37, which was unheard of since the 85 Bears! Anybody who watches football knows the Bucs have a great shot at repeating. Sure it is hard with this day of FA, but the Bucs have managed to keep virtually the entire SB team intact with a few upgrades also. The only thing IMHO, which could derail the Buc\'s next Season is injuries, period!
Batwood Registered Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 55	\"I don\'t think he has many tools on offense that he actually likes,\" says Randy Mueller, former Saints GM. Wait until he gets his own players. Watch out.\" http://i.tsn.com/i/o/books/covers/su...rbowlcover.gif

07-08-2003, 11:06 AM	#22
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	Bucs most memorable season Ok then.... Now let\'s look at the evolution football chain.... Taking your same logic further. Since you are basing your head-to-head battles as being \"superior\" then this is true: The Saints are SUPERIOR over the Bucs. (SWEEP) The Falcons are SUPERIOR over the Saints. (SWEEP) The Bucs are SUPERIOR over the Falcons. (SWEEP) (This will probably never work out like this again, but since it has, let\'s continue) If things would have ended without anyone making any noise in the playoffs we could all argue that our teams were SUPERIOR. Right? But Then comes the playoffs: (NOTE: The Saints were not SUPERIOR enough to be included on the list of SUPERIOR teams preparing to compete for SUPREME SUPERIORITY --AKA Super Bowl Championship) BUCS & FALCONS Although the Bucs and Falcons never faced off in the playoffs; SUPERIORITY in the playoffs is all about survival. The Falcons failed to take SUPERIORITY to the next level..... Playoffs and beyond: BUCS So when you break this down, in your own words, the BUCS (in 2002 ) was the only SUPERIOR team in the 2002 campaign........ What you speak if are battles. You won the battles, but we won the WAR.
	Week 9: Saints vs. Bucs http://www.bucnup.com/SBXXXVII.bmp

07-08-2003, 11:10 AM	#23
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Bucs most memorable season ...But let me bring you back to reality!!! The Bucs did nothing to improve in the off season. Oh Billy, let me count the ways to edify you on your obvious misinformation... Hey you can count. Now, let me show the difference between wishful thinking and reality. 1. The defense probably had the best year it\'s ever going to have, no matter who is there this year. This is the only strong unit on the team. 2. The Bucs offense isn\'t going to scare anyone. I don\'t care if they run Grudens\' offense for the next 100-years. Most of the players you have on offense could not start on most teams in the NFL. I don\'t even know if they would make our 3rd string. 3. Man, your going to strain something reaching that far.....NO COMMENT NEEDED FOR THAT ONE !! 4. For a sitting duck like Brad I can\'t run Johnson, you had better hope so. And just to show you I can count higher than you....... 5. Anyone who knows football knows the only way the Bucs have of repeating, is if all the stars line-up correctly and your guys stop going to jail.
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07-08-2003, 11:11 AM	#24
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	Bucs most memorable season The only thing IMHO, which could derail the Buc\'s next Season is injuries, period! That and execution. I\'ve talked to people until I became blue in the face about the offense. How can the offense not be ready next season? The Pittman situation is going to hurt us, because I honestly felt he was going to have a break-out season. Gruden was plugged into a formula. THIS IS THE YEAR that we actually expected the Bucs to be explosive on offense. But he worked with what he had, although he knew the team didn\'t have the O fully and produced a championship. Injuries is the only thing that worries me.......

07-08-2003, 11:16 AM	#25
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Bucs most memorable season What you speak if are battles. You won the battles, but we won the WAR Since our first 2 games against the Bucs ths year will be battles, I like our chances. The only hope the Bucs have this year is if we drop off late in the season, but considering we have a better offense, defense, and special teams. I don\'t see that happening.
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07-08-2003, 11:19 AM	#26
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Bucs most memorable season (This will probably never work out like this again, but since it has, let\'s continue) Mark my words, every team in the south will split series\' with each other, causing mass chaos within the division.

07-08-2003, 11:26 AM	#27
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	Bucs most memorable season I\'m not doubting any of that B&B.... But your buddy is clinging to the Saints sweeping of us as some form of crystal ball. I was hoping that we didn\'t see the Falcons in the playoffs in all honesty. Sweeping a team is tough, but 3 times is the worst.....

07-08-2003, 11:28 AM	#28
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	Bucs most memorable season The only hope the Bucs have this year is if we drop off late in the season We don\'t see you until week 9!!!! I like my chances.... :P

07-08-2003, 11:57 AM	#29
Batwood Registered Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 55	Bucs most memorable season Now, let me show the difference between wishful thinking and reality. 1. The defense probably had the best year it\'s ever going to have, no matter who is there this year. This is the only strong unit on the team. 2. The Bucs offense isn\'t going to scare anyone. I don\'t care if they run Grudens\' offense for the next 100-years. Most of the players you have on offense could not start on most teams in the NFL. I don\'t even know if they would make our 3rd string. 3. Man, your going to strain something reaching that far.....NO COMMENT NEEDED FOR THAT ONE !! 4. For a sitting duck like Brad I can\'t run Johnson, you had better hope so. 5. Anyone who knows football knows the only way the Bucs have of repeating, is if all the stars line-up correctly and your guys stop going to jail. Still waiting for that reality you talk of. Look at your list, it\'s ALL wishfull thinking. 1. Explain how they can\'t be better other than your keen insight \"probably had the best year it\'s ever going to have\" 2. I though Keyshawn & McCardell were starters for YEARS on other teams. Silly me. :exclam: 3. How about a comment? The Bucs run game DID improve in the biggest games of the year, how is it going to get worse? You backpeddled on that one. 4. Do you even know about Brad record as a passer in the NFC last year AND in the history of the NFL? AB can only hope to come close to his accomplishments when he is in the league as long as Brad. And again you skirted around the OL statement with a backpeddling uninformed Brad Johnson remark 5. Nice banter and shows me how well you know and debate real football talk.
Batwood Registered Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 55	\"I don\'t think he has many tools on offense that he actually likes,\" says Randy Mueller, former Saints GM. Wait until he gets his own players. Watch out.\" http://i.tsn.com/i/o/books/covers/su...rbowlcover.gif

07-08-2003, 12:01 PM	#30
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	Bucs most memorable season Damn.... You do sound like me........ :yltype: