Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair...

BucNup · 07-17-2003, 11:50 AM

Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, and John Elway. You name me one team that has repeated with a player like Johnson at QB???

Follow me closely:

In 1971 the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl with Craig Morton as their QB. They lost to the Colts 16 - 13...

In 1972 the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl with Roger Staubach as their QB. They won against the Dolphins 24 - 3.

For this to be so early in Staubach\'s career, you can not tell me people were saying HOF status 1972? He didn\'t reach the Bowl again until 1978, so actually; REPEATING is a feat in itself. Something that those men you named have earned.....

But I have presented you with 2 different QB\'s, who led to teams to SB appearances. That in itself discredits your theory of needed to have an HOF QB to make it to the SB........

I think I\'ve presented my case?

The key is LEADERSHIP bro..... LEADERSHIP enhances one\'s chance at repeating. Regardless to anything else you have to say on this matter; Brad Johnson has displayed that leadership for at least one time in his career; until completion.

TonyMax · 07-17-2003, 11:53 AM

I said he\'s being treated unfair because he\'s taking a lot of blame for the season ending collapse. Should he have been in those games against Cincinnati, Carolina? Probably not. But that\'s Haslett\'s job to pull the quarterback if he\'s ineffective. Wow the defense held Cincinnati to 20 points. But at the sametime giving up more than 200 yards rushing! And that equals time of possession for Cincinnati. Just chew up the clock to keep the ball away from the Saints\' offense. Haslett should be taking the blame. He failed to make the right adjustments to get his team into the playoffs.

Aaron broke team records last season for TD passes and yards I think, and he\'s still getting booed. I just don\'t get it. I think most of you Saints fans aren\'t used to seeing a talented quarterback. I\'ve lived in the San Francisco Bay all of my live. I\'ve seen Montana and Young play every Sunday when I used to be a Niner fan ( I am not a Niner fan any more because they keep letting all of my favorite players go like Rice, Lott, etc...). When the team lost and didn\'t make it to the Super Bowl the fans, media, and sportswriters never pointed the finger at Montana or Young like you guys are doing to Brooks.

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-17-2003, 11:59 AM

Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, and John Elway. You name me one team that has repeated with a player like Johnson at QB???

Follow me closely:

In 1971 the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl with Craig Morton as their QB. They lost to the Colts 16 - 13...

In 1972 the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl with Roger Staubach as their QB. They won against the Dolphins 24 - 3.

For this to be so early in Staubach\'s career, you can not tell me people were saying HOF status 1972? He didn\'t reach the Bowl again until 1978, so actually; REPEATING is a feat in itself. Something that those men you named have earned.....

But I have presented you with 2 different QB\'s, who led to teams to SB appearances. That in itself discredits your theory of needed to have an HOF QB to make it to the SB........

Help! Help! I\'m caught up in the BucNup \"Spin Cycle\"

Here\'s the Facts. None of which you have or can discredit!!!

Facts:
#1. The only teams to repeat as Superbowl champs had HOF QB\'s.
#2. After Aikman, Montana, and Elway had been in the leauge for 4-years they were considered elite NFL QB\'s.
3. All the teams that repeated did not have QB\'s that had been in the leauge for 10 years and were considered marginal at best.
4. Brad Johnson isn\'t in that class of QB\'s. Not now!! Not ever!!!

Get the picture?

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-17-2003, 12:01 PM

I said he\'s being treated unfair because he\'s taking a lot of blame for the season ending collapse. Should he have been in those games against Cincinnati, Carolina? Probably not. But that\'s Haslett\'s job to pull the quarterback if he\'s ineffective. Wow the defense held Cincinnati to 20 points. But at the sametime giving up more than 200 yards rushing! And that equals time of possession for Cincinnati. Just chew up the clock to keep the ball away from the Saints\' offense. Haslett should be taking the blame. He failed to make the right adjustments to get his team into the playoffs.

Aaron broke team records last season for TD passes and yards I think, and he\'s still getting booed. I just don\'t get it. I think most of you Saints fans aren\'t used to seeing a talented quarterback. I\'ve lived in the San Francisco Bay all of my live. I\'ve seen Montana and Young play every Sunday when I used to be a Niner fan ( I am not a Niner fan any more because they keep letting all of my favorite players go like Rice, Lott, etc...). When the team lost and didn\'t make it to the Super Bowl the fans, media, and sportswriters never pointed the finger at Montana or Young like you guys are doing to Brooks.

Oh no!!!!!!!!! Your going to take a lot of heat for this one.

Remember we are Saints fans. We have lived through the worst of times and had our favorite players traded too, but we bleed Black and Gold!!

BucNup · 07-17-2003, 12:09 PM

The key is LEADERSHIP bro..... LEADERSHIP enhances one\'s chance at repeating. Regardless to anything else you have to say on this matter; Brad Johnson has displayed that leadership for at least one time in his career; until completion.

[quote:7bd312af68]Facts:
#1. The only teams to repeat as Superbowl champs had HOF QB\'s.
#2. After Aikman, Montana, and Elway had been in the leauge for 4-years they were considered elite NFL QB\'s.
3. All the teams that repeated did not have QB\'s that had been in the leauge for 10 years and were considered marginal at best.
4. Brad Johnson isn\'t in that class of QB\'s. Not now!! Not ever!!!

I never said BJ was in any class. All I know is that he led us to a title. That\'s all I know.... Up until 2001 I didn\'t give a rats azz about Brad Johnson, I didn\'t have a need to. But in 2 years he has thrown 35 TD\'s and 17 INT\'s in a disfunctional offense.....

While on the other hand; Brooks has all of the horses in the stable. He\'s putting up great numbers, but falling short. Where? Where? Where?

The key is LEADERSHIP bro..... LEADERSHIP.............

Broken record........

BucNup · 07-17-2003, 12:11 PM

I\'ve seen Montana and Young play every Sunday when I used to be a Niner fan ( I am not a Niner fan any more because they keep letting all of my favorite players go like Rice, Lott, etc...).

But I.... What.... Well.... How can.... Nevermind........

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-17-2003, 12:20 PM

I never said BJ was in any class. All I know is that he led us to a title. That\'s all I know.... Up until 2001 I didn\'t give a rats azz about Brad Johnson, I didn\'t have a need to. But in 2 years he has thrown 35 TD\'s and 17 INT\'s in a disfunctional offense.....

While on the other hand; Brooks has all of the horses in the stable. He\'s putting up great numbers, but falling short. Where? Where? Where?

The key is LEADERSHIP bro..... LEADERSHIP.............

Broken record........

Ever thought about being a poitcian? You can avoid the really tough questions.

Brad Johnson played a part in the championship, but the defense deserves most of the credit. Along with a little luck.

Aaron Brooks threw 27 TD\'s and 15 INT\'s in one year. He has only started 2-full years. What kind of numbers and leadership did Johnson have his first 2-years or 8 years as far as that goes.

Buc, you will get to see that leadership twice this year. It\'s getting close and my anticipation is almost more than my heart can bear.

BucNup · 07-17-2003, 12:24 PM

Brad Johnson played a part in the championship, but the defense deserves most of the credit. Along with a little luck.

But isn\'t this the case for everything? You are the one talking about needing a HOF\'er to repeat.....

Just be sure we aren\'t on the same ballot, as far as your politicians goes.....

BillyCarpenter1 · 07-17-2003, 12:30 PM

Brad Johnson played a part in the championship, but the defense deserves most of the credit. Along with a little luck.

But isn\'t this the case for everything? You are the one talking about needing a HOF\'er to repeat.....

Just be sure we aren\'t on the same ballot, as far as your politicians goes.....

Well, I stand the fact, that facts are facts, and that\'s a fact.

The other thing that all repeat champs had was a running game. Which the Bucs is highly suspect. There is just so much that points to the Bucs not repeating this year:

1. Off the field problems.
2. No running game.
3. No elite QB. (no team in history has ever repeated w/o one.)
4. Playing in toughest division in NFL.
5. Poor overall team speed.

BucNup · 07-17-2003, 12:37 PM

Would you please stop..... ?

Your anti-Buccaneers sentiments have been noted. I\'ll take my chance with that outstanding defense that we have..... Something that you have not eluded to yet....

But it was coming right?

I\'m sure you\'ve heard that stale old cliche...... Defense wins championship.......

It just doesn\'t seem to get out dated.

Did you say something about facts?

[Edited on 17/7/2003 by BucNup]

07-17-2003, 11:50 AM	#31
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair... Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, and John Elway. You name me one team that has repeated with a player like Johnson at QB??? Follow me closely: In 1971 the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl with Craig Morton as their QB. They lost to the Colts 16 - 13... In 1972 the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl with Roger Staubach as their QB. They won against the Dolphins 24 - 3. For this to be so early in Staubach\'s career, you can not tell me people were saying HOF status 1972? He didn\'t reach the Bowl again until 1978, so actually; REPEATING is a feat in itself. Something that those men you named have earned..... But I have presented you with 2 different QB\'s, who led to teams to SB appearances. That in itself discredits your theory of needed to have an HOF QB to make it to the SB........ I think I\'ve presented my case? The key is LEADERSHIP bro..... LEADERSHIP enhances one\'s chance at repeating. Regardless to anything else you have to say on this matter; Brad Johnson has displayed that leadership for at least one time in his career; until completion.
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07-17-2003, 11:53 AM	#32
TonyMax Rookie Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 14	Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair... I said he\'s being treated unfair because he\'s taking a lot of blame for the season ending collapse. Should he have been in those games against Cincinnati, Carolina? Probably not. But that\'s Haslett\'s job to pull the quarterback if he\'s ineffective. Wow the defense held Cincinnati to 20 points. But at the sametime giving up more than 200 yards rushing! And that equals time of possession for Cincinnati. Just chew up the clock to keep the ball away from the Saints\' offense. Haslett should be taking the blame. He failed to make the right adjustments to get his team into the playoffs. Aaron broke team records last season for TD passes and yards I think, and he\'s still getting booed. I just don\'t get it. I think most of you Saints fans aren\'t used to seeing a talented quarterback. I\'ve lived in the San Francisco Bay all of my live. I\'ve seen Montana and Young play every Sunday when I used to be a Niner fan ( I am not a Niner fan any more because they keep letting all of my favorite players go like Rice, Lott, etc...). When the team lost and didn\'t make it to the Super Bowl the fans, media, and sportswriters never pointed the finger at Montana or Young like you guys are doing to Brooks.
TonyMax Rookie Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 14

07-17-2003, 11:59 AM	#33
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair... Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, and John Elway. You name me one team that has repeated with a player like Johnson at QB??? Follow me closely: In 1971 the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl with Craig Morton as their QB. They lost to the Colts 16 - 13... In 1972 the Cowboys went to the Super Bowl with Roger Staubach as their QB. They won against the Dolphins 24 - 3. For this to be so early in Staubach\'s career, you can not tell me people were saying HOF status 1972? He didn\'t reach the Bowl again until 1978, so actually; REPEATING is a feat in itself. Something that those men you named have earned..... But I have presented you with 2 different QB\'s, who led to teams to SB appearances. That in itself discredits your theory of needed to have an HOF QB to make it to the SB........ Help! Help! I\'m caught up in the BucNup \"Spin Cycle\" Here\'s the Facts. None of which you have or can discredit!!! Facts: #1. The only teams to repeat as Superbowl champs had HOF QB\'s. #2. After Aikman, Montana, and Elway had been in the leauge for 4-years they were considered elite NFL QB\'s. 3. All the teams that repeated did not have QB\'s that had been in the leauge for 10 years and were considered marginal at best. 4. Brad Johnson isn\'t in that class of QB\'s. Not now!! Not ever!!! Get the picture?
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

07-17-2003, 12:01 PM	#34
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair... I said he\'s being treated unfair because he\'s taking a lot of blame for the season ending collapse. Should he have been in those games against Cincinnati, Carolina? Probably not. But that\'s Haslett\'s job to pull the quarterback if he\'s ineffective. Wow the defense held Cincinnati to 20 points. But at the sametime giving up more than 200 yards rushing! And that equals time of possession for Cincinnati. Just chew up the clock to keep the ball away from the Saints\' offense. Haslett should be taking the blame. He failed to make the right adjustments to get his team into the playoffs. Aaron broke team records last season for TD passes and yards I think, and he\'s still getting booed. I just don\'t get it. I think most of you Saints fans aren\'t used to seeing a talented quarterback. I\'ve lived in the San Francisco Bay all of my live. I\'ve seen Montana and Young play every Sunday when I used to be a Niner fan ( I am not a Niner fan any more because they keep letting all of my favorite players go like Rice, Lott, etc...). When the team lost and didn\'t make it to the Super Bowl the fans, media, and sportswriters never pointed the finger at Montana or Young like you guys are doing to Brooks. Oh no!!!!!!!!! Your going to take a lot of heat for this one. Remember we are Saints fans. We have lived through the worst of times and had our favorite players traded too, but we bleed Black and Gold!!
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

07-17-2003, 12:09 PM	#35
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair... The key is LEADERSHIP bro..... LEADERSHIP enhances one\'s chance at repeating. Regardless to anything else you have to say on this matter; Brad Johnson has displayed that leadership for at least one time in his career; until completion. [quote:7bd312af68]Facts: #1. The only teams to repeat as Superbowl champs had HOF QB\'s. #2. After Aikman, Montana, and Elway had been in the leauge for 4-years they were considered elite NFL QB\'s. 3. All the teams that repeated did not have QB\'s that had been in the leauge for 10 years and were considered marginal at best. 4. Brad Johnson isn\'t in that class of QB\'s. Not now!! Not ever!!! I never said BJ was in any class. All I know is that he led us to a title. That\'s all I know.... Up until 2001 I didn\'t give a rats azz about Brad Johnson, I didn\'t have a need to. But in 2 years he has thrown 35 TD\'s and 17 INT\'s in a disfunctional offense..... While on the other hand; Brooks has all of the horses in the stable. He\'s putting up great numbers, but falling short. Where? Where? Where? The key is LEADERSHIP bro..... LEADERSHIP............. Broken record........

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07-17-2003, 12:11 PM	#36
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair... I\'ve seen Montana and Young play every Sunday when I used to be a Niner fan ( I am not a Niner fan any more because they keep letting all of my favorite players go like Rice, Lott, etc...). But I.... What.... Well.... How can.... Nevermind........

07-17-2003, 12:20 PM	#37
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair... I never said BJ was in any class. All I know is that he led us to a title. That\'s all I know.... Up until 2001 I didn\'t give a rats azz about Brad Johnson, I didn\'t have a need to. But in 2 years he has thrown 35 TD\'s and 17 INT\'s in a disfunctional offense..... While on the other hand; Brooks has all of the horses in the stable. He\'s putting up great numbers, but falling short. Where? Where? Where? The key is LEADERSHIP bro..... LEADERSHIP............. Broken record........ Ever thought about being a poitcian? You can avoid the really tough questions. Brad Johnson played a part in the championship, but the defense deserves most of the credit. Along with a little luck. Aaron Brooks threw 27 TD\'s and 15 INT\'s in one year. He has only started 2-full years. What kind of numbers and leadership did Johnson have his first 2-years or 8 years as far as that goes. Buc, you will get to see that leadership twice this year. It\'s getting close and my anticipation is almost more than my heart can bear.
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07-17-2003, 12:24 PM	#38
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair... Brad Johnson played a part in the championship, but the defense deserves most of the credit. Along with a little luck. But isn\'t this the case for everything? You are the one talking about needing a HOF\'er to repeat..... Just be sure we aren\'t on the same ballot, as far as your politicians goes.....

07-17-2003, 12:30 PM	#39
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair... Brad Johnson played a part in the championship, but the defense deserves most of the credit. Along with a little luck. But isn\'t this the case for everything? You are the one talking about needing a HOF\'er to repeat..... Just be sure we aren\'t on the same ballot, as far as your politicians goes..... Well, I stand the fact, that facts are facts, and that\'s a fact. The other thing that all repeat champs had was a running game. Which the Bucs is highly suspect. There is just so much that points to the Bucs not repeating this year: 1. Off the field problems. 2. No running game. 3. No elite QB. (no team in history has ever repeated w/o one.) 4. Playing in toughest division in NFL. 5. Poor overall team speed.
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209

07-17-2003, 12:37 PM	#40
BucNup 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 170	Aaron Brooks is being treated unfair... Would you please stop..... ? Your anti-Buccaneers sentiments have been noted. I\'ll take my chance with that outstanding defense that we have..... Something that you have not eluded to yet.... But it was coming right? I\'m sure you\'ve heard that stale old cliche...... Defense wins championship....... It just doesn\'t seem to get out dated. Did you say something about facts? [Edited on 17/7/2003 by BucNup]