Does Vick deserve shot at redemption?

JOESAM2002 · 08-24-2007, 09:01 PM

I'm not sure he can be reformed. It's not like he didn't know that what he was doing was wrong and against the law to start with. These kind of people have serious problems if you ask me. I really don't think you can compare this kind of behavior to any thing else. This is just plain sick. I don't care if you're black, white,yellow or what sick is sick. This obviously affects everyone involved with it. How can we as civilized people condone this? If we do......then how civilized are we. Maybe we need to look deep within ourselves. Anybody that condones this absolutely scares the devil out of me. I'm just glad you don't know where I live. I don't want to be found dead in my home just because someone dicided to play a game and go out and just kill someone. That's about as close to dog fighting as I can compare. Sick,just plain sick. Or maybe we could all get together and go out and do some drive by shootings? Sound about right? See how sick does this sound. Think about it. This is what's wrong with our country today. We let people get away with to much.

BlackandBlue · 08-24-2007, 09:08 PM

Don't mistake what I am saying, Joe. If he is guilty, I hope he is persecuted to the furthest extent of the law. If what I heard was correct, the state mandate is 5 years for every dog, which equates to 40+ years, in additional to the federal charges. Yes, do it, lock him up. But I can't sit here and say that the man cannot earn a living, whether it be 5 years from now, or 40.

JOESAM2002 · 08-24-2007, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

Don't mistake what I am saying, Joe. If he is guilty, I hope he is persecuted to the furthest extent of the law. If what I heard was correct, the state mandate is 5 years for every dog, which equates to 40+ years, in additional to the federal charges. Yes, do it, lock him up. But I can't sit here and say that the man cannot earn a living, whether it be 5 years from now, or 40.

Me either. I hear by then MickyD's will still need fry cooks and cleanup men. He should fit right in. Embarrassment is a great form of punishment. Make that goofy bastard do some meanial work. Let him work a garbage truck, I know a guy here that will hire him and pay him top dollar. Minimun wage is great ain't it?

saintfan · 08-25-2007, 09:39 AM

I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of Whatever...
and to the rehab, for which it stands,
One nation, with no morality or accountability,
with Liberty and a broken moral compass for all...

"cause this is MY UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER!"

"As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's Atlanta Chapter.

Say what? Tell me, how does one aid in the rehab of a man who killed domestic animals for fun? Are you effin serious? Please, someone help me get wrapped around how 18 months in prison rehabs this behavior or how a person might otherwise be 'corrected'.

As a dog owner -- and my dog lives a great life -- someone look me in the eye and tell me how a person who can fill up a 5 gallon bucket with water and with both hands hold a dogs head under that water until it's dead be fixed by spending 18 months in jail or donating heavily to PETA or whatever. This kinda of activity is pure evil man...just plain 'ol evil.

And I agree playing in the NFL is an honer...sure as hell isn't a 'right', and I'm sure as hell not bad-mouthing the United States by saying so. Where's the logic in that statement? Perhaps this is just random babble? Gotta be...

...Cause this is MY UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER!

spkb25 · 08-25-2007, 10:47 PM

Him torturing animals speaks to a larger issue. he has something extremely wrong with him. Also lets not cloud this, jail is not to reform someone. it is to pay for your crime. it is not and never will be to reform someone.

saintfan · 08-25-2007, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by JOESAM2002

I'm not sure he can be reformed. It's not like he didn't know that what he was doing was wrong and against the law to start with. These kind of people have serious problems if you ask me. I really don't think you can compare this kind of behavior to any thing else. This is just plain sick. I don't care if you're black, white,yellow or what sick is sick. This obviously affects everyone involved with it. How can we as civilized people condone this? If we do......then how civilized are we. Maybe we need to look deep within ourselves. Anybody that condones this absolutely scares the devil out of me. I'm just glad you don't know where I live. I don't want to be found dead in my home just because someone dicided to play a game and go out and just kill someone. That's about as close to dog fighting as I can compare. Sick,just plain sick. Or maybe we could all get together and go out and do some drive by shootings? Sound about right? See how sick does this sound. Think about it. This is what's wrong with our country today. We let people get away with to much.

Easy Joe. You don't want to be accused of Bad-Mouthing the United States of America.

JOESAM2002 · 08-25-2007, 09:13 AM

LOL,I'm stuck in "Animal House." I can see it now. Oh my God, I'm bad mouthing the United States of America, where's my legal representative?(Tim Mathison).

saintfan · 08-25-2007, 06:10 PM

Uh Oh. Yet another basher of the United States.

/sarcasm off

Brann · 08-26-2007, 12:25 AM

Torturing and killing animals are the typical hallmark of a serial killer in training. Personally, I just think that Vick is a disturbed individual who isn't bright enough to understand the import of his actions. I don't think he can be rehabilitated and I don't think he deserves to play in the NFL ever again. It's a privilege and not a right. I hate this sense of entitlement people have nowadays.

Tobias-Reiper · 08-26-2007, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Brann

Torturing and killing animals are the typical hallmark of a serial killer in training. Personally, I just think that Vick is a disturbed individual who isn't bright enough to understand the import of his actions. I don't think he can be rehabilitated and I don't think he deserves to play in the NFL ever again. It's a privilege and not a right. I hate this sense of entitlement people have nowadays.

OK, now you are taking it a little too far. It is true that torturing animals is a common trait among serial killers, but a) this is usually done in secrecy, and b) it extends to any animal, not just dogs. I can tell you this is a different emotion to pitting animals to fight.

08-24-2007, 09:01 PM	#1
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? I'm not sure he can be reformed. It's not like he didn't know that what he was doing was wrong and against the law to start with. These kind of people have serious problems if you ask me. I really don't think you can compare this kind of behavior to any thing else. This is just plain sick. I don't care if you're black, white,yellow or what sick is sick. This obviously affects everyone involved with it. How can we as civilized people condone this? If we do......then how civilized are we. Maybe we need to look deep within ourselves. Anybody that condones this absolutely scares the devil out of me. I'm just glad you don't know where I live. I don't want to be found dead in my home just because someone dicided to play a game and go out and just kill someone. That's about as close to dog fighting as I can compare. Sick,just plain sick. Or maybe we could all get together and go out and do some drive by shootings? Sound about right? See how sick does this sound. Think about it. This is what's wrong with our country today. We let people get away with to much.
	Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!! "Every time you think, you weaken the nation!" Moe Howard...The Three Stooges.

08-24-2007, 09:08 PM	#2
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Don't mistake what I am saying, Joe. If he is guilty, I hope he is persecuted to the furthest extent of the law. If what I heard was correct, the state mandate is 5 years for every dog, which equates to 40+ years, in additional to the federal charges. Yes, do it, lock him up. But I can't sit here and say that the man cannot earn a living, whether it be 5 years from now, or 40.

08-24-2007, 09:38 PM	#3
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Originally Posted by BlackandBlue Don't mistake what I am saying, Joe. If he is guilty, I hope he is persecuted to the furthest extent of the law. If what I heard was correct, the state mandate is 5 years for every dog, which equates to 40+ years, in additional to the federal charges. Yes, do it, lock him up. But I can't sit here and say that the man cannot earn a living, whether it be 5 years from now, or 40. Me either. I hear by then MickyD's will still need fry cooks and cleanup men. He should fit right in. Embarrassment is a great form of punishment. Make that goofy bastard do some meanial work. Let him work a garbage truck, I know a guy here that will hire him and pay him top dollar. Minimun wage is great ain't it?

08-25-2007, 09:39 AM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of Whatever... and to the rehab, for which it stands, One nation, with no morality or accountability, with Liberty and a broken moral compass for all... "cause this is MY UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER!" "As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's Atlanta Chapter. Say what? Tell me, how does one aid in the rehab of a man who killed domestic animals for fun? Are you effin serious? Please, someone help me get wrapped around how 18 months in prison rehabs this behavior or how a person might otherwise be 'corrected'. As a dog owner -- and my dog lives a great life -- someone look me in the eye and tell me how a person who can fill up a 5 gallon bucket with water and with both hands hold a dogs head under that water until it's dead be fixed by spending 18 months in jail or donating heavily to PETA or whatever. This kinda of activity is pure evil man...just plain 'ol evil. And I agree playing in the NFL is an honer...sure as hell isn't a 'right', and I'm sure as hell not bad-mouthing the United States by saying so. Where's the logic in that statement? Perhaps this is just random babble? Gotta be... ...Cause this is MY UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER!

08-25-2007, 10:47 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Him torturing animals speaks to a larger issue. he has something extremely wrong with him. Also lets not cloud this, jail is not to reform someone. it is to pay for your crime. it is not and never will be to reform someone.

08-25-2007, 09:09 AM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Originally Posted by JOESAM2002 I'm not sure he can be reformed. It's not like he didn't know that what he was doing was wrong and against the law to start with. These kind of people have serious problems if you ask me. I really don't think you can compare this kind of behavior to any thing else. This is just plain sick. I don't care if you're black, white,yellow or what sick is sick. This obviously affects everyone involved with it. How can we as civilized people condone this? If we do......then how civilized are we. Maybe we need to look deep within ourselves. Anybody that condones this absolutely scares the devil out of me. I'm just glad you don't know where I live. I don't want to be found dead in my home just because someone dicided to play a game and go out and just kill someone. That's about as close to dog fighting as I can compare. Sick,just plain sick. Or maybe we could all get together and go out and do some drive by shootings? Sound about right? See how sick does this sound. Think about it. This is what's wrong with our country today. We let people get away with to much. Easy Joe. You don't want to be accused of Bad-Mouthing the United States of America.

08-25-2007, 09:13 AM	#7
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? LOL,I'm stuck in "Animal House." I can see it now. Oh my God, I'm bad mouthing the United States of America, where's my legal representative?(Tim Mathison).

08-25-2007, 06:10 PM	#8
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Uh Oh. Yet another basher of the United States. /sarcasm off

08-26-2007, 12:25 AM	#9
Brann Ill-tempered Texan Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Pascagoula, MS Posts: 228	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Torturing and killing animals are the typical hallmark of a serial killer in training. Personally, I just think that Vick is a disturbed individual who isn't bright enough to understand the import of his actions. I don't think he can be rehabilitated and I don't think he deserves to play in the NFL ever again. It's a privilege and not a right. I hate this sense of entitlement people have nowadays.

08-26-2007, 06:01 AM	#10
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption? Originally Posted by Brann Torturing and killing animals are the typical hallmark of a serial killer in training. Personally, I just think that Vick is a disturbed individual who isn't bright enough to understand the import of his actions. I don't think he can be rehabilitated and I don't think he deserves to play in the NFL ever again. It's a privilege and not a right. I hate this sense of entitlement people have nowadays. OK, now you are taking it a little too far. It is true that torturing animals is a common trait among serial killers, but a) this is usually done in secrecy, and b) it extends to any animal, not just dogs. I can tell you this is a different emotion to pitting animals to fight.