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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I'm not sure he can be reformed. It's not like he didn't know that what he was doing was wrong and against the law to start with. These kind of people have serious problems if you ask me. I really ...

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Old 08-24-2007, 09:01 PM   #1
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Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption?

I'm not sure he can be reformed. It's not like he didn't know that what he was doing was wrong and against the law to start with. These kind of people have serious problems if you ask me. I really don't think you can compare this kind of behavior to any thing else. This is just plain sick. I don't care if you're black, white,yellow or what sick is sick. This obviously affects everyone involved with it. How can we as civilized people condone this? If we do......then how civilized are we. Maybe we need to look deep within ourselves. Anybody that condones this absolutely scares the devil out of me. I'm just glad you don't know where I live. I don't want to be found dead in my home just because someone dicided to play a game and go out and just kill someone. That's about as close to dog fighting as I can compare. Sick,just plain sick. Or maybe we could all get together and go out and do some drive by shootings? Sound about right? See how sick does this sound. Think about it. This is what's wrong with our country today. We let people get away with to much.

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Old 08-24-2007, 09:08 PM   #2
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Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption?

Don't mistake what I am saying, Joe. If he is guilty, I hope he is persecuted to the furthest extent of the law. If what I heard was correct, the state mandate is 5 years for every dog, which equates to 40+ years, in additional to the federal charges. Yes, do it, lock him up. But I can't sit here and say that the man cannot earn a living, whether it be 5 years from now, or 40.
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Old 08-24-2007, 09:38 PM   #3
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Don't mistake what I am saying, Joe. If he is guilty, I hope he is persecuted to the furthest extent of the law. If what I heard was correct, the state mandate is 5 years for every dog, which equates to 40+ years, in additional to the federal charges. Yes, do it, lock him up. But I can't sit here and say that the man cannot earn a living, whether it be 5 years from now, or 40.

Me either. I hear by then MickyD's will still need fry cooks and cleanup men. He should fit right in. Embarrassment is a great form of punishment. Make that goofy bastard do some meanial work. Let him work a garbage truck, I know a guy here that will hire him and pay him top dollar. Minimun wage is great ain't it?
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Old 08-25-2007, 09:39 AM   #4
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I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of Whatever...
and to the rehab, for which it stands,
One nation, with no morality or accountability,
with Liberty and a broken moral compass for all...

"cause this is MY UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER!"

"As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's Atlanta Chapter.

Say what? Tell me, how does one aid in the rehab of a man who killed domestic animals for fun? Are you effin serious? Please, someone help me get wrapped around how 18 months in prison rehabs this behavior or how a person might otherwise be 'corrected'.

As a dog owner -- and my dog lives a great life -- someone look me in the eye and tell me how a person who can fill up a 5 gallon bucket with water and with both hands hold a dogs head under that water until it's dead be fixed by spending 18 months in jail or donating heavily to PETA or whatever. This kinda of activity is pure evil man...just plain 'ol evil.

And I agree playing in the NFL is an honer...sure as hell isn't a 'right', and I'm sure as hell not bad-mouthing the United States by saying so. Where's the logic in that statement? Perhaps this is just random babble? Gotta be...

...Cause this is MY UNITED STATES OF WHATEVER!
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Old 08-25-2007, 02:18 PM   #5
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Con'Vick' made one mistake he got caught. If we are to forgive him and allow him to continue on with his life after time served for this one mistake I say by all means.
But what about the mistake he made when these dogs were breed to kill other dogs or to be mauled to death by other dogs. And what about the dogs that were 2nd or 3rd string material that were hung, drowned, or beat on the ground till they died. I don't think he will make up for that mistake and be allowed to continue his life with the greatest job in America.
What about the mistake he made when he financed this kennel operation which would lead you to assume none of this would have happened if he did not have all that Nike money layin around. Sure the best way to pay for that mistake is to ensure he gets another $130 mill by playin in the NFL.
Vick didn't profit from gamblin on these dogs he just supplied the money for these bets. Sure he got tired of havin to supply his boyz with some runnin around money. Maybe he should have started a business for them or had one of his investors lay out a nice portfolio. The quickest way to have money seems to be get a job. I have a job and I don't support 20 of my buddies from 1st grade. I think this problem for Vick will be solved he won't have to support all his buddies.
I think there are alot of jobs that require a clean past, not gettin locked up, not harmin the image of your employer and I'm happy that the NFL is one of those companies. I think the media is to blame because they do beat a dead horse but I dont think that is goin to change. I dont want my 3 yr old watchin highlights of a dog fightin ring when Vick gets out of jail and is lookin for a new team. It doesnt seem like a tough choice act normal or find a new job every player has an option.
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Old 08-25-2007, 10:47 PM   #6
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Re: Does Vick deserve shot at redemption?

Him torturing animals speaks to a larger issue. he has something extremely wrong with him. Also lets not cloud this, jail is not to reform someone. it is to pay for your crime. it is not and never will be to reform someone.
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I'm not sure he can be reformed. It's not like he didn't know that what he was doing was wrong and against the law to start with. These kind of people have serious problems if you ask me. I really don't think you can compare this kind of behavior to any thing else. This is just plain sick. I don't care if you're black, white,yellow or what sick is sick. This obviously affects everyone involved with it. How can we as civilized people condone this? If we do......then how civilized are we. Maybe we need to look deep within ourselves. Anybody that condones this absolutely scares the devil out of me. I'm just glad you don't know where I live. I don't want to be found dead in my home just because someone dicided to play a game and go out and just kill someone. That's about as close to dog fighting as I can compare. Sick,just plain sick. Or maybe we could all get together and go out and do some drive by shootings? Sound about right? See how sick does this sound. Think about it. This is what's wrong with our country today. We let people get away with to much.
Easy Joe. You don't want to be accused of Bad-Mouthing the United States of America.
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Old 08-25-2007, 09:13 AM   #8
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LOL,I'm stuck in "Animal House." I can see it now. Oh my God, I'm bad mouthing the United States of America, where's my legal representative?(Tim Mathison).
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