Deuce

FrenzyFan · 09-18-2007, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

Ok let's simplify this.

run, run, pass. 1st down

run, run, pass. 1st down

run, run, play action pass. Touchdown. 9 minute drive. everyone's happy.

Current Saints playcalling:

run(fumble). Turnover

screen pass, screen pass, RB draw. Punt

run, incomplete pass, screen pass. Punt

run(fumble). Turnover

Now you want OUR defense...much LESS a Ravens defense...to defend an NFL offense for DOUBLE the possessions they should be having to defend. Unrealistic.

Well said.

Edit: And to take a step further, we'll blame our team's problems on our defense's inability to keep us in the game you just described.

Euphoria · 09-18-2007, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

Ok let's simplify this.

Unrealistic.

No its not that simple I am affraid. That doesn't account for all the points scored against the worse Defense in the league right now. Yeah I said it they are horrible.

I think I can QB with my grand mother at WR... and I'll look like Payton Manning out there. Sure our Offense hasn't been that good either but when you can score 30 points and take away the other teams passing game what happens??? TELL ME? YOU LOSE.

Dan the Man · 09-18-2007, 06:44 PM

Euphoria, last year our defense was just as bad. What made the difference is that our offense executed and kept our defense off the field. You can't blame everything on the defense. Yes, the D is pretty bad, and they are partially to blame. But they are not the entire problem, so please stop saying that they are.

hagan714 · 09-18-2007, 07:36 PM

I swear we said all this last year. Next year we bit the bullet and get some young blood in the draft and let them play. We need to let Young play more. I am so glad we cut Jones. He would have hurt the secondary if we kept him. There was no room for him.

Euphoria · 09-18-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dan the Man

Euphoria, last year our defense was just as bad. What made the difference is that our offense executed and kept our defense off the field. You can't blame everything on the defense. Yes, the D is pretty bad, and they are partially to blame. But they are not the entire problem, so please stop saying that they are.

No they were not this bad last year. They are worse! THe only big problem they had was giving up a big play once in awhile. This year they can do just about anything to us this year. Tampa scoring on us that much... come on.

hagan714 · 09-18-2007, 07:51 PM

Teams learn quick. The second time or the third time around they have figured out what you are going to do. 2 things you can do:
1) It is up to you to adjust the game plan.
2) Just go out and prove that even if the other team knows what you are going to do. They can do nothing to stop you.
Well that last part (#2) we lack.

FatiusJeebs · 09-18-2007, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I swear we said all this last year. Next year we bit the bullet and get some young blood in the draft and let them play. We need to let Young play more. I am so glad we cut Jones. He would have hurt the secondary if we kept him. There was no room for him.

I agree. They said he was quick and played very well during training camp and the off-season. Let Usama play more.

papz · 09-18-2007, 08:08 PM

During training camp and preseason, a lot of players looked good. Brees, Thomas, Simoneau, Henderson, Patton, etc. It was a small sample size and he wasn't playing against the best of talent. I'm not saying Young isn't going to be good or that he isn't better than what we currently have on the field, but I'm sure some of it was hype... we're not going to throw our 3rd rounder under the bus. Get what I'm saying? The same can be said about all our draft picks.

With that said, I really like Young. He along with Alleman were my two favorite picks and I think they're both going to be solid starters for us... eventually. This a team that went to the NFC Championship game last year. We definately don't look like it from the 0-2 start, but the core is still there. Have a little faith. I'm sure when Payton feels that when Young is ready to contribute, he'll be on the field. No need to rush him in there... if he plays horrible, his confidence might get shattered. We paid David a good amount of money... give him a chance to work out his kinks. Payton's a good coach... we'll turn things around. Patience... we still have 14 more games to go.

Euphoria · 09-18-2007, 10:37 PM

YEAH 14-2 I LOVE IT... here we come!

09-18-2007, 05:44 PM	#21
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie Ok let's simplify this. run, run, pass. 1st down run, run, pass. 1st down run, run, play action pass. Touchdown. 9 minute drive. everyone's happy. Current Saints playcalling: run(fumble). Turnover screen pass, screen pass, RB draw. Punt run, incomplete pass, screen pass. Punt run(fumble). Turnover Now you want OUR defense...much LESS a Ravens defense...to defend an NFL offense for DOUBLE the possessions they should be having to defend. Unrealistic. Well said. Edit: And to take a step further, we'll blame our team's problems on our defense's inability to keep us in the game you just described.
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09-18-2007, 06:09 PM	#22
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie Ok let's simplify this. Unrealistic. No its not that simple I am affraid. That doesn't account for all the points scored against the worse Defense in the league right now. Yeah I said it they are horrible. I think I can QB with my grand mother at WR... and I'll look like Payton Manning out there. Sure our Offense hasn't been that good either but when you can score 30 points and take away the other teams passing game what happens??? TELL ME? YOU LOSE.

09-18-2007, 06:44 PM	#23
Dan the Man Registered Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Orleans Posts: 87	Re: Deuce Euphoria, last year our defense was just as bad. What made the difference is that our offense executed and kept our defense off the field. You can't blame everything on the defense. Yes, the D is pretty bad, and they are partially to blame. But they are not the entire problem, so please stop saying that they are.

09-18-2007, 07:36 PM	#24
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Deuce I swear we said all this last year. Next year we bit the bullet and get some young blood in the draft and let them play. We need to let Young play more. I am so glad we cut Jones. He would have hurt the secondary if we kept him. There was no room for him.

09-18-2007, 07:44 PM	#25
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by Dan the Man Euphoria, last year our defense was just as bad. What made the difference is that our offense executed and kept our defense off the field. You can't blame everything on the defense. Yes, the D is pretty bad, and they are partially to blame. But they are not the entire problem, so please stop saying that they are. No they were not this bad last year. They are worse! THe only big problem they had was giving up a big play once in awhile. This year they can do just about anything to us this year. Tampa scoring on us that much... come on.

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09-18-2007, 07:51 PM	#26
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Deuce Teams learn quick. The second time or the third time around they have figured out what you are going to do. 2 things you can do: 1) It is up to you to adjust the game plan. 2) Just go out and prove that even if the other team knows what you are going to do. They can do nothing to stop you. Well that last part (#2) we lack.

09-18-2007, 07:53 PM	#27
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Re: Deuce Originally Posted by hagan714 I swear we said all this last year. Next year we bit the bullet and get some young blood in the draft and let them play. We need to let Young play more. I am so glad we cut Jones. He would have hurt the secondary if we kept him. There was no room for him. I agree. They said he was quick and played very well during training camp and the off-season. Let Usama play more.
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09-18-2007, 08:08 PM	#28
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	Re: Deuce During training camp and preseason, a lot of players looked good. Brees, Thomas, Simoneau, Henderson, Patton, etc. It was a small sample size and he wasn't playing against the best of talent. I'm not saying Young isn't going to be good or that he isn't better than what we currently have on the field, but I'm sure some of it was hype... we're not going to throw our 3rd rounder under the bus. Get what I'm saying? The same can be said about all our draft picks. With that said, I really like Young. He along with Alleman were my two favorite picks and I think they're both going to be solid starters for us... eventually. This a team that went to the NFC Championship game last year. We definately don't look like it from the 0-2 start, but the core is still there. Have a little faith. I'm sure when Payton feels that when Young is ready to contribute, he'll be on the field. No need to rush him in there... if he plays horrible, his confidence might get shattered. We paid David a good amount of money... give him a chance to work out his kinks. Payton's a good coach... we'll turn things around. Patience... we still have 14 more games to go.

09-18-2007, 10:37 PM	#29
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Deuce YEAH 14-2 I LOVE IT... here we come!