Bench Thomas

JOESAM2002 · 10-10-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1313

Exactly Tobias.......our MLB hasnt looked to hot either....id rather sit him

Hell, sit em both, but who woill you put in in their place. You are right, neither has been very good at all.

Donuts32 · 10-10-2007, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

.. nope. Thomas did much better than David has done, or will ever do, IMO. Sure he got "burned" by Steve Smith once, but who doesn't? For most of the evening he kept Smith in check. Smith caught 4 for 47 yards.

You may want to see Thomas gone, don't blame you, but don't let emotion blind you. Had David been covering Smith, the score would have not been close at all. I rather see Thomas out there than see David.

Tobias is right he played way better than Jason David. In the first half Steve Smith had 1 catch for 10 yards.

TheDeuce · 10-10-2007, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

.. nope. Thomas did much better than David has done, or will ever do, IMO. Sure he got "burned" by Steve Smith once, but who doesn't? For most of the evening he kept Smith in check. Smith caught 4 for 47 yards.

You may want to see Thomas gone, don't blame you, but don't let emotion blind you. Had David been covering Smith, the score would have not been close at all. I rather see Thomas out there than see David.

Great post Tobias. Steve Smith made one play all day long last Sunday. The rest of the day he was quiet. That's just plain impressive considering he can easily go for about 200 and a couple of touchdowns. Our secondary played well as a whole. In fact, when I look at the loss against the Panthers, the secondary might be one of the last groups I would blame. I mean the kicking game, running game, Devery Henderson, and Olindo Mare (again because he was that bad) were the reasons for the loss, not Fred Thomas. Listen, I know he's not the best player, and of course I'd rather see somebody (like Usama) out there, but Fred Thomas is so much better than Jason David. He's a smart guy who would be best used as a nickel or dime back. He can't be put on an island anymore, but he still is better than other people on this crap team.

JOESAM2002 · 10-10-2007, 06:55 PM

Deuce ,there's a lot of truth to what you're saying. As far as David is concerned, he's just been terrible. I'd just rather see Usama in there if we're going to continue to lose. Give the kid some experience. As I said, I like Freddie, I just think he might have lost a little to much. You're also right about if they give him some help out there he might be ok.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-10-2007, 09:27 PM

... I was going to reply the same thing, I want to see Usama.
Not that Usama has done anything special, but you never know how a young player would react to being handed the start. Sure it can go bad, but compared to David, how bad can it go?

SapperSaint · 10-11-2007, 09:34 AM

I would like to see Usama. But I don't really want to see him replace Fred. To be honest with you, I want to see Mike benched. Yes, yes, yes... I know he had an INT. Sure, FINALLY. I watch him more than any other defensive player, and HE gets burnt. He just can't keep up with good WR's. If Mckienze is so good why wasn't he covering Steve Smith, or even T.O. last year??????? Who covered these guys....Fred Thomas. Fred covers the other teams #1 WR (period).

I just wonder, really, who needs to be benched. IMHO, it aint Fred Thomas.

WhoDatQB · 10-11-2007, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

I would like to see Usama. But I don't really want to see him replace Fred. To be honest with you, I want to see Mike benched. Yes, yes, yes... I know he had an INT. Sure, FINALLY. I watch him more than any other defensive player, and HE gets burnt. He just can't keep up with good WR's. If Mckienze is so good why wasn't he covering Steve Smith, or even T.O. last year??????? Who covered these guys....Fred Thomas. Fred covers the other teams #1 WR (period).

I just wonder, really, who needs to be benched. IMHO, it aint Fred Thomas.

====

Thomas does not cover the #1 WR, he covers whoever comes to his side of the field. Which of course they will try to put the number 1 over there because Fred Thomas is horrible. Freaking horrible. If David can unlearn the cover 2 he will be far better than Fred Thomas, Thomas is small and has gotten slow. David is taller and faster, I still would rather see Usama, b/c David is not good, but Thomas is HORRIBLE.

Holding Steve Smith Down? Um, NO, no one does that. Steve Smith doesn't have Jake Delhomme throwing to him. Jake looks to him no matter what and will throw balls to him he shouldn't b/c Steve Smith will go and get them. Carr is not any good, that is why Steve Smith has played bad the last TWO weeks. So I guess Carr can hold Steve Smith down, and tha is about it.

SapperSaint · 10-11-2007, 11:09 AM

So you are saying Fred didn't hold Smith, or T.O. (last year). Then tell me what other "Starting" CB we have that could do a better job? If other teams are targeting Fred, then why does Mckenzie miss so many plays agains a 2nd or 3rd WR?

If you read what I wrote I DO want Usama to start. I DO think he will make an impact, and he needs to start now. However, Jason David is, in my book, is lower than Fred.

Don't get me wrong Fred is no where near the best thing we have ever had at CB, but he dang sure aint the only one that needs to be sat down.

darstep · 10-11-2007, 11:12 AM

Speaking of small - all of our corners and safeties are small, short is probably a better word. The tallest is 6' 1" and thats counting cleats and the head gear. Not only are they short, they are slow. Not one of them has recovery speed, not one. When a receiver gets a step on them, any of them, its over. Safeties don't even get over in time to attempt to make a play. Most every team has a big receiver these days. With the rules as they are, they have to do all they can to avoid contact beyond five yards - a hugh disadvantage for our group. These guys should play zone, disrupt receiver's release, hide in the creases, try to jump timing routes, and punish after the catch. The big plays have to stop. Force our opponents to make 10 throws, 6-8 catches during a drive. The more we are able to force extra plays and extra throws, the more opportunities there will be for mistakes to be made, and even better, for defensive plays to be made.

SapperSaint · 10-11-2007, 11:16 AM

I thought CB's were suppose to be WR's that have stone hands?

I love Devery, but why not turn him into one?

10-10-2007, 01:29 PM	#11
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Bench Thomas Originally Posted by saintsfan1313 Exactly Tobias.......our MLB hasnt looked to hot either....id rather sit him Hell, sit em both, but who woill you put in in their place. You are right, neither has been very good at all.

10-10-2007, 06:00 PM	#12
Donuts32 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Orleans,La Posts: 306	Re: Bench Thomas Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper .. nope. Thomas did much better than David has done, or will ever do, IMO. Sure he got "burned" by Steve Smith once, but who doesn't? For most of the evening he kept Smith in check. Smith caught 4 for 47 yards. You may want to see Thomas gone, don't blame you, but don't let emotion blind you. Had David been covering Smith, the score would have not been close at all. I rather see Thomas out there than see David. Tobias is right he played way better than Jason David. In the first half Steve Smith had 1 catch for 10 yards.

10-10-2007, 06:20 PM	#13
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: Bench Thomas Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper .. nope. Thomas did much better than David has done, or will ever do, IMO. Sure he got "burned" by Steve Smith once, but who doesn't? For most of the evening he kept Smith in check. Smith caught 4 for 47 yards. You may want to see Thomas gone, don't blame you, but don't let emotion blind you. Had David been covering Smith, the score would have not been close at all. I rather see Thomas out there than see David. Great post Tobias. Steve Smith made one play all day long last Sunday. The rest of the day he was quiet. That's just plain impressive considering he can easily go for about 200 and a couple of touchdowns. Our secondary played well as a whole. In fact, when I look at the loss against the Panthers, the secondary might be one of the last groups I would blame. I mean the kicking game, running game, Devery Henderson, and Olindo Mare (again because he was that bad) were the reasons for the loss, not Fred Thomas. Listen, I know he's not the best player, and of course I'd rather see somebody (like Usama) out there, but Fred Thomas is so much better than Jason David. He's a smart guy who would be best used as a nickel or dime back. He can't be put on an island anymore, but he still is better than other people on this crap team.
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10-10-2007, 06:55 PM	#14
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Re: Bench Thomas Deuce ,there's a lot of truth to what you're saying. As far as David is concerned, he's just been terrible. I'd just rather see Usama in there if we're going to continue to lose. Give the kid some experience. As I said, I like Freddie, I just think he might have lost a little to much. You're also right about if they give him some help out there he might be ok.
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10-10-2007, 09:27 PM	#15
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Bench Thomas ... I was going to reply the same thing, I want to see Usama. Not that Usama has done anything special, but you never know how a young player would react to being handed the start. Sure it can go bad, but compared to David, how bad can it go?

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10-11-2007, 09:34 AM	#16
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Bench Thomas I would like to see Usama. But I don't really want to see him replace Fred. To be honest with you, I want to see Mike benched. Yes, yes, yes... I know he had an INT. Sure, FINALLY. I watch him more than any other defensive player, and HE gets burnt. He just can't keep up with good WR's. If Mckienze is so good why wasn't he covering Steve Smith, or even T.O. last year??????? Who covered these guys....Fred Thomas. Fred covers the other teams #1 WR (period). I just wonder, really, who needs to be benched. IMHO, it aint Fred Thomas.
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10-11-2007, 10:42 AM	#17
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Bench Thomas Originally Posted by SapperSaint I would like to see Usama. But I don't really want to see him replace Fred. To be honest with you, I want to see Mike benched. Yes, yes, yes... I know he had an INT. Sure, FINALLY. I watch him more than any other defensive player, and HE gets burnt. He just can't keep up with good WR's. If Mckienze is so good why wasn't he covering Steve Smith, or even T.O. last year??????? Who covered these guys....Fred Thomas. Fred covers the other teams #1 WR (period). I just wonder, really, who needs to be benched. IMHO, it aint Fred Thomas. ==== Thomas does not cover the #1 WR, he covers whoever comes to his side of the field. Which of course they will try to put the number 1 over there because Fred Thomas is horrible. Freaking horrible. If David can unlearn the cover 2 he will be far better than Fred Thomas, Thomas is small and has gotten slow. David is taller and faster, I still would rather see Usama, b/c David is not good, but Thomas is HORRIBLE. Holding Steve Smith Down? Um, NO, no one does that. Steve Smith doesn't have Jake Delhomme throwing to him. Jake looks to him no matter what and will throw balls to him he shouldn't b/c Steve Smith will go and get them. Carr is not any good, that is why Steve Smith has played bad the last TWO weeks. So I guess Carr can hold Steve Smith down, and tha is about it.

10-11-2007, 11:09 AM	#18
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Bench Thomas So you are saying Fred didn't hold Smith, or T.O. (last year). Then tell me what other "Starting" CB we have that could do a better job? If other teams are targeting Fred, then why does Mckenzie miss so many plays agains a 2nd or 3rd WR? If you read what I wrote I DO want Usama to start. I DO think he will make an impact, and he needs to start now. However, Jason David is, in my book, is lower than Fred. Don't get me wrong Fred is no where near the best thing we have ever had at CB, but he dang sure aint the only one that needs to be sat down.
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10-11-2007, 11:12 AM	#19
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Bench Thomas Speaking of small - all of our corners and safeties are small, short is probably a better word. The tallest is 6' 1" and thats counting cleats and the head gear. Not only are they short, they are slow. Not one of them has recovery speed, not one. When a receiver gets a step on them, any of them, its over. Safeties don't even get over in time to attempt to make a play. Most every team has a big receiver these days. With the rules as they are, they have to do all they can to avoid contact beyond five yards - a hugh disadvantage for our group. These guys should play zone, disrupt receiver's release, hide in the creases, try to jump timing routes, and punish after the catch. The big plays have to stop. Force our opponents to make 10 throws, 6-8 catches during a drive. The more we are able to force extra plays and extra throws, the more opportunities there will be for mistakes to be made, and even better, for defensive plays to be made.
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10-11-2007, 11:16 AM	#20
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Bench Thomas I thought CB's were suppose to be WR's that have stone hands? I love Devery, but why not turn him into one?