Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball

Budsdrinker · 10-29-2007, 10:38 AM

I too would like to see more of a running game but I also have to agree you keep using what works. The main reason to run the ball is to control the clock and rest your defense. But if you can keep putting the points on the board go for it. What are New England's rushing stats per game? You don't have to run as much as long as you can catch the ball.

mighty12 · 10-29-2007, 10:38 AM

My theory is......After this week the Jags are gonna be gunning for the pass why give them any more looks at different running plays. I see us pounding the ball with 4 backs on Sunday, and Del Rio going "Wait doesn't this team just pass?" Yeah well now we run.

SapperSaint · 10-29-2007, 11:00 AM

Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball

According to The State of California v Bush; it states that if any said player, formerly was an active participant in a State of California athletic organization, the afore mentioned player may not touch, throw, run or attempt to perform any of these acts, in a manner which will or attempt to cause the people of the State of California, prolonged undue stress.

Hope that helped answer some questions regarding any legalities.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-29-2007, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by papz

We take whatever the defense is giving us. And in this game, we were able to exploit their secondary and do whatever we pleased. Just because we didn't run the ball a lot doesn't mean we couldn't have. Sure I would have love for us to pound the ball 30+ times a game, but we didn't have to. Those short swing passes to me are pretty much equivalent to a running play.

That's what one of the analysts were saying yesterday, that the flair pass is the equivalent of a toss sweep.

The only problem I have with the "take what they give you" strategy is that if you don't practice running the ball consistently then you'll have a hard time doing it effectively when the chips are down, when the weather is bad, when you need to run out the clock, and especially when your passing game isn't working. The other thing is that the running game was working effectively yesterday too.

I just want to see it more consistently. Coach Payton seems to grab bag too much and his staple is based around that passing game.

And of course more of PT23.

SFIAH

WhoDatQB · 10-29-2007, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I too would like to see more of a running game but I also have to agree you keep using what works. The main reason to run the ball is to control the clock and rest your defense. But if you can keep putting the points on the board go for it. What are New England's rushing stats per game? You don't have to run as much as long as you can catch the ball.

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You cannot even think of comparing us to New England. Their receivers catch better(overall) than ours do, the O line is way better than ours. When these two factors are in play then yes you can do what you want this time of year. No team in the current weather conditions have the D to stop the NE passing game, when the weather turns cold they will run the ball, their RB's are all hurt and they are resting them as much as possible right now to get ready for the pounding they will take in the later part of the season. PT is the only chance we have to pound the ball as good as Reggie is he is not a pounder and our rookie needs reps.

The difference is that Brady has shown he can throw in the cold, and Belicheck will run the ball when he needs to, he says that he adapts his game plan to the team they are playing and the conditions. Payton does not change, we go into Chicago and try to throw the ball all over the place in the frigid cold and wind.

Euphoria · 10-29-2007, 01:50 PM

You guys have to realize that we have to play aggressive on Offense. Running the ball isn't aggressive. The reason we need to be aggressive is we were 2-4 going into the game. When you are down and your backs to the wall you come out fighting.

The second part of the problem is I think Payton has learned something from those 4 losses at the begining of the season. You score more points on your opponet early and you take them out of there game plan. You will in turn force them to throw the ball more and make more mistakes.

WhoDatQB · 10-29-2007, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

You guys have to realize that we have to play aggressive on Offense. Running the ball isn't aggressive. The reason we need to be aggressive is we were 2-4 going into the game. When you are down and your backs to the wall you come out fighting.

The second part of the problem is I think Payton has learned something from those 4 losses at the begining of the season. You score more points on your opponet early and you take them out of there game plan. You will in turn force them to throw the ball more and make more mistakes.

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But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies.

While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down.

Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs?

SapperSaint · 10-29-2007, 02:16 PM

PT should have been given the chance on the final two drives to at least get some "seat" time.

LongTimeFan · 10-29-2007, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by papz

We take whatever the defense is giving us. And in this game, we were able to exploit their secondary and do whatever we pleased. Just because we didn't run the ball a lot doesn't mean we couldn't have. Sure I would have love for us to pound the ball 30+ times a game, but we didn't have to. Those short swing passes to me are pretty much equivalent to a running play.

"Those short swing passes to me are pretty much equivalent to a running play."

Amen to that papz !!

Take what they give us, who knows, against Jacksonville we may have to run more and IMO we can do if if need be.
Pick your poison I say.
Our defense is just playing so well, they'll win a few games themselves, the entire teams are making plays and that's one of the reasons the Saints have won 3 in a row.

Euphoria · 10-29-2007, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies.

While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down.

Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs?

WhoDat you got good points but our running game is injured. Deuce can make the line look good without him we aren't that great up to middle. To be a good running team you have to have 2 things
1. O-LINE
2. Good/Great Defense
You are correct to be a good running team you have to committ to it and do it and do it.

You have to give payton credit getting by with what he has and what has been available to him.
-We just don't have the personel to pound the ball as everyone has been asking for, nor the RB to do it right now.
-Our D is suspect and to make up for that you have to score points.
-When your record is less than 500 you have be agressive.

10-29-2007, 10:38 AM	#11
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball I too would like to see more of a running game but I also have to agree you keep using what works. The main reason to run the ball is to control the clock and rest your defense. But if you can keep putting the points on the board go for it. What are New England's rushing stats per game? You don't have to run as much as long as you can catch the ball.

10-29-2007, 10:38 AM	#12
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball My theory is......After this week the Jags are gonna be gunning for the pass why give them any more looks at different running plays. I see us pounding the ball with 4 backs on Sunday, and Del Rio going "Wait doesn't this team just pass?" Yeah well now we run.

10-29-2007, 11:00 AM	#13
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball According to The State of California v Bush; it states that if any said player, formerly was an active participant in a State of California athletic organization, the afore mentioned player may not touch, throw, run or attempt to perform any of these acts, in a manner which will or attempt to cause the people of the State of California, prolonged undue stress. Hope that helped answer some questions regarding any legalities.

10-29-2007, 12:52 PM	#14
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,776	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by papz We take whatever the defense is giving us. And in this game, we were able to exploit their secondary and do whatever we pleased. Just because we didn't run the ball a lot doesn't mean we couldn't have. Sure I would have love for us to pound the ball 30+ times a game, but we didn't have to. Those short swing passes to me are pretty much equivalent to a running play. That's what one of the analysts were saying yesterday, that the flair pass is the equivalent of a toss sweep. The only problem I have with the "take what they give you" strategy is that if you don't practice running the ball consistently then you'll have a hard time doing it effectively when the chips are down, when the weather is bad, when you need to run out the clock, and especially when your passing game isn't working. The other thing is that the running game was working effectively yesterday too. I just want to see it more consistently. Coach Payton seems to grab bag too much and his staple is based around that passing game. And of course more of PT23. SFIAH
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10-29-2007, 01:39 PM	#15
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I too would like to see more of a running game but I also have to agree you keep using what works. The main reason to run the ball is to control the clock and rest your defense. But if you can keep putting the points on the board go for it. What are New England's rushing stats per game? You don't have to run as much as long as you can catch the ball. ========== You cannot even think of comparing us to New England. Their receivers catch better(overall) than ours do, the O line is way better than ours. When these two factors are in play then yes you can do what you want this time of year. No team in the current weather conditions have the D to stop the NE passing game, when the weather turns cold they will run the ball, their RB's are all hurt and they are resting them as much as possible right now to get ready for the pounding they will take in the later part of the season. PT is the only chance we have to pound the ball as good as Reggie is he is not a pounder and our rookie needs reps. The difference is that Brady has shown he can throw in the cold, and Belicheck will run the ball when he needs to, he says that he adapts his game plan to the team they are playing and the conditions. Payton does not change, we go into Chicago and try to throw the ball all over the place in the frigid cold and wind.

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10-29-2007, 01:50 PM	#16
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball You guys have to realize that we have to play aggressive on Offense. Running the ball isn't aggressive. The reason we need to be aggressive is we were 2-4 going into the game. When you are down and your backs to the wall you come out fighting. The second part of the problem is I think Payton has learned something from those 4 losses at the begining of the season. You score more points on your opponet early and you take them out of there game plan. You will in turn force them to throw the ball more and make more mistakes.
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10-29-2007, 02:13 PM	#17
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by Euphoria You guys have to realize that we have to play aggressive on Offense. Running the ball isn't aggressive. The reason we need to be aggressive is we were 2-4 going into the game. When you are down and your backs to the wall you come out fighting. The second part of the problem is I think Payton has learned something from those 4 losses at the begining of the season. You score more points on your opponet early and you take them out of there game plan. You will in turn force them to throw the ball more and make more mistakes. ===== But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies. While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down. Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs?

10-29-2007, 02:16 PM	#18
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball PT should have been given the chance on the final two drives to at least get some "seat" time.

10-29-2007, 07:38 PM	#19
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by papz We take whatever the defense is giving us. And in this game, we were able to exploit their secondary and do whatever we pleased. Just because we didn't run the ball a lot doesn't mean we couldn't have. Sure I would have love for us to pound the ball 30+ times a game, but we didn't have to. Those short swing passes to me are pretty much equivalent to a running play. "Those short swing passes to me are pretty much equivalent to a running play." Amen to that papz !! Take what they give us, who knows, against Jacksonville we may have to run more and IMO we can do if if need be. Pick your poison I say. Our defense is just playing so well, they'll win a few games themselves, the entire teams are making plays and that's one of the reasons the Saints have won 3 in a row.

10-29-2007, 08:16 PM	#20
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ===== But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies. While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down. Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs? WhoDat you got good points but our running game is injured. Deuce can make the line look good without him we aren't that great up to middle. To be a good running team you have to have 2 things 1. O-LINE 2. Good/Great Defense You are correct to be a good running team you have to committ to it and do it and do it. You have to give payton credit getting by with what he has and what has been available to him. -We just don't have the personel to pound the ball as everyone has been asking for, nor the RB to do it right now. -Our D is suspect and to make up for that you have to score points. -When your record is less than 500 you have be agressive.
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