Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball

Euphoria · 10-29-2007, 12:50 PM

You guys have to realize that we have to play aggressive on Offense. Running the ball isn't aggressive. The reason we need to be aggressive is we were 2-4 going into the game. When you are down and your backs to the wall you come out fighting.

The second part of the problem is I think Payton has learned something from those 4 losses at the begining of the season. You score more points on your opponet early and you take them out of there game plan. You will in turn force them to throw the ball more and make more mistakes.

WhoDatQB · 10-29-2007, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

You guys have to realize that we have to play aggressive on Offense. Running the ball isn't aggressive. The reason we need to be aggressive is we were 2-4 going into the game. When you are down and your backs to the wall you come out fighting.

The second part of the problem is I think Payton has learned something from those 4 losses at the begining of the season. You score more points on your opponet early and you take them out of there game plan. You will in turn force them to throw the ball more and make more mistakes.

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But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies.

While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down.

Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs?

Euphoria · 10-29-2007, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies.

While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down.

Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs?

WhoDat you got good points but our running game is injured. Deuce can make the line look good without him we aren't that great up to middle. To be a good running team you have to have 2 things
1. O-LINE
2. Good/Great Defense
You are correct to be a good running team you have to committ to it and do it and do it.

You have to give payton credit getting by with what he has and what has been available to him.
-We just don't have the personel to pound the ball as everyone has been asking for, nor the RB to do it right now.
-Our D is suspect and to make up for that you have to score points.
-When your record is less than 500 you have be agressive.

WhoDatQB · 10-29-2007, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

WhoDat you got good points but our running game is injured. Deuce can make the line look good without him we aren't that great up to middle. To be a good running team you have to have 2 things
1. O-LINE
2. Good/Great Defense
You are correct to be a good running team you have to committ to it and do it and do it.

You have to give payton credit getting by with what he has and what has been available to him.
-We just don't have the personel to pound the ball as everyone has been asking for, nor the RB to do it right now.
-Our D is suspect and to make up for that you have to score points.
-When your record is less than 500 you have be agressive.

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Deuce is injured but our running game has been grounded.

I will agree our line is not a great run blocking Line.

I can't give Payton too much credit when he is doing the same damn things he was last year, I just hope he doesn't continue to do it to our detriment.

We do not know if we have the RB to pound the ball yet. For goodness sakes look at M JOnes-Drew, if he can pound it so can PT.

I agree with our record what it is you have to be aggressive, but if we plan on doing anything other making a good showing in the regular season then we need to work on the run game. What game better to work on the run game than towards the end of this past game? The Saints have not had a better opportunity to work on the run game than they had last week.

We have a good left side of the line, maybe not directly up the middle, but run between the LG and LT. Or at least try it

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-30-2007, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies.

While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down.

Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs?

Yeah! What he said!

SFIAH

Budsdrinker · 10-30-2007, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

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But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies.

While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down.

Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs?

Well, looking at the schedule there is only 1 game remaining outdoors that could possibly be in the 30's and that would be the last game aginst Chicago.
After that the only possibilities would be playoffs at Giants or Packers. So just put up the points and go from there.

SapperSaint · 10-29-2007, 01:16 PM

PT should have been given the chance on the final two drives to at least get some "seat" time.

darstep · 10-30-2007, 06:42 PM

All that I am saying is that we are lop-sided, and its going to bite us. We can't wait until we get in a situation and HOPE that we can run the ball. Just like every other weapon in our arsenal, we've got to keep "running the ball" well oiled and battle tested. Passing the ball takes good timing. That comes from repetition - QB to each receiver in their standard routes. That spurs confidence in both, each knowing that the receiver and the ball will be in the same place - on time. Running the ball is not much different. Timing! - runners picking and hitting the holes (on time) and blocker holding the blocks to allow it. Game conditions can't be totally paralleled in practice sessions. We had a golden opp to actually improve/mold/perfect our running game this past week. PierreT could have gotten some work that will pay dividends when we do have to call on him in the future, and we will. We can't let it rust, then cry when it doesn't fire.

10-29-2007, 12:50 PM	#1
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball You guys have to realize that we have to play aggressive on Offense. Running the ball isn't aggressive. The reason we need to be aggressive is we were 2-4 going into the game. When you are down and your backs to the wall you come out fighting. The second part of the problem is I think Payton has learned something from those 4 losses at the begining of the season. You score more points on your opponet early and you take them out of there game plan. You will in turn force them to throw the ball more and make more mistakes.
	E U P H O R I A

10-29-2007, 01:13 PM	#2
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by Euphoria You guys have to realize that we have to play aggressive on Offense. Running the ball isn't aggressive. The reason we need to be aggressive is we were 2-4 going into the game. When you are down and your backs to the wall you come out fighting. The second part of the problem is I think Payton has learned something from those 4 losses at the begining of the season. You score more points on your opponet early and you take them out of there game plan. You will in turn force them to throw the ball more and make more mistakes. ===== But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies. While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down. Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs?

10-29-2007, 07:16 PM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ===== But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies. While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down. Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs? WhoDat you got good points but our running game is injured. Deuce can make the line look good without him we aren't that great up to middle. To be a good running team you have to have 2 things 1. O-LINE 2. Good/Great Defense You are correct to be a good running team you have to committ to it and do it and do it. You have to give payton credit getting by with what he has and what has been available to him. -We just don't have the personel to pound the ball as everyone has been asking for, nor the RB to do it right now. -Our D is suspect and to make up for that you have to score points. -When your record is less than 500 you have be agressive.
	E U P H O R I A

10-29-2007, 08:31 PM	#4
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by Euphoria WhoDat you got good points but our running game is injured. Deuce can make the line look good without him we aren't that great up to middle. To be a good running team you have to have 2 things 1. O-LINE 2. Good/Great Defense You are correct to be a good running team you have to committ to it and do it and do it. You have to give payton credit getting by with what he has and what has been available to him. -We just don't have the personel to pound the ball as everyone has been asking for, nor the RB to do it right now. -Our D is suspect and to make up for that you have to score points. -When your record is less than 500 you have be agressive. ====== Deuce is injured but our running game has been grounded. I will agree our line is not a great run blocking Line. I can't give Payton too much credit when he is doing the same damn things he was last year, I just hope he doesn't continue to do it to our detriment. We do not know if we have the RB to pound the ball yet. For goodness sakes look at M JOnes-Drew, if he can pound it so can PT. I agree with our record what it is you have to be aggressive, but if we plan on doing anything other making a good showing in the regular season then we need to work on the run game. What game better to work on the run game than towards the end of this past game? The Saints have not had a better opportunity to work on the run game than they had last week. We have a good left side of the line, maybe not directly up the middle, but run between the LG and LT. Or at least try it

10-30-2007, 07:18 AM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ===== But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies. While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down. Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs? Yeah! What he said! SFIAH

10-30-2007, 01:21 PM	#6
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by WhoDatQB ===== But towards the end of the game when we are up and their D is getting nasty and if our O line breaks down and we continually have short drives without taking much time off the clock and we will get screwed. Especially when it turns cold and Payton wants to try and get up on the teams quickly and Brees has a ball or two go off line in the wind or just the plain fact of throwing in the cold. We need a running game, while I like high flying point scoring offenses as much or more than the next guy, you need to be able to run or have a dominant O line that will keep people off of Brees all day long no matter what and receivers that do not get the dropsies. While I agree with getting up on teams early to help out our D, oh god believe me do I agree with it, when it turns 30 degrees and windy on us what are we gonna do? All of a sudden say, hey PT, Stecker, and Bush let's go out and run the ball? PT needs more carries and more time in the offense to get the blitz pickup down. Unless you figure us to go undefeated the rest of the season and secure homefield throughout the playoffs? Well, looking at the schedule there is only 1 game remaining outdoors that could possibly be in the 30's and that would be the last game aginst Chicago. After that the only possibilities would be playoffs at Giants or Packers. So just put up the points and go from there.

10-29-2007, 01:16 PM	#7
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball PT should have been given the chance on the final two drives to at least get some "seat" time.

10-30-2007, 06:42 PM	#8
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball All that I am saying is that we are lop-sided, and its going to bite us. We can't wait until we get in a situation and HOPE that we can run the ball. Just like every other weapon in our arsenal, we've got to keep "running the ball" well oiled and battle tested. Passing the ball takes good timing. That comes from repetition - QB to each receiver in their standard routes. That spurs confidence in both, each knowing that the receiver and the ball will be in the same place - on time. Running the ball is not much different. Timing! - runners picking and hitting the holes (on time) and blocker holding the blocks to allow it. Game conditions can't be totally paralleled in practice sessions. We had a golden opp to actually improve/mold/perfect our running game this past week. PierreT could have gotten some work that will pay dividends when we do have to call on him in the future, and we will. We can't let it rust, then cry when it doesn't fire.
	SaintSince67