Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-29-2007, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by LongTimeFan

Brees- 336 yards, 4 TD's and no INT's
Colston-85 yards, 3 TD's
Bush-113 total yards

31 points scored today.

No need to run much today when the passing game was freaking awesome.

3-4 and only one game back of the Bucs and Panthers

I guess I'm going to become the Euph of this subject. Just because everything is working right now doesn't mean that you don't address the problem.

Our pass happy offense works well against certain types of frankly not very good defenses. Try it against a playoff caliber defense and you get 4 game losing streaks to start the season.

Passing all the time makes you predictable and streaky. Great when the streak is in your favor. Terrible when it's not.

We can pass the ball at will. We can agree on that right?

So why not run the ball to set up the pass? Bush had a 6.4 YPC average yesterday. But he only carried the ball 10 times.

There are exposive plays in the run game. But you have to run the ball consistently to get to them.

I was watching the Patriots game yesterday and the analyist quoted Belechick saying that he gameplans his defense to take away what you do best. Every playoff caliber defense simply plans to take away the Saints passing game. And when that works you get streaks like the beginning of the season where Brees has 1 TD and 9 INTs.

I'm concerned because other than J'ville next week and maybe Tampa in early December we're not going to encounter any playoff caliber defenses for the rest of the season. So Coach will continue to be pass happy because it works. And we'll run most if not all of the rest of the table (Grant was quoted as us finishing 12-4).

And then the playoffs will come and we'll possibly be in New York, or Green Bay against really good fast defenses that will rush Brees and shut down the passing game in awful January conditions (or possibly even in the SuperDome). And we'll be back to asking what happened? Just like leaving Soldier field that damn cold January day (I know. I was there!)

We need the practice. The offense needs the consistency of a run game. We need to generate run game tape for others to consider.

We need to run the ball.

SFIAH

darstep · 10-30-2007, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I guess I'm going to become the Euph of this subject.
So why not run the ball to set up the pass? Bush had a 6.4 YPC average yesterday. But he only carried the ball 10 times.
There are exposive plays in the run game. But you have to run the ball consistently to get to them.
SFIAH

Well you won't have to be Euph by yourself on this one. This was the problem when Duece was healthy - 9-10 carries a game when averaging 4.3. If we commit to running the ball, protecting Drew Brees in the pocket is easy. We actually showed signs of getting to the run and seems that we've backed off. If we can get a push early in the game, we will get some breakouts, and then we are pass blocking defenders that are on the heels and not on their toes. Hasn't meant much with our recent opponents, but our pass-pass-pass day of reconning is coming. Against good defenses, that have a decent pass rush, we have GOT to run the ball. The key to running Bush, Stecker, and Thomas, given their size and weight, is to have them play off of the lead of Karney. He will make their job easy. We know that there will be at least ONE linebacker that won't be in on the tackle. Karney also works well in pass protection, picking up the blitz, and allowing the other back to sneak out as a safety valve with linebacker coverage. So what! we have one less tightend - Karney gives us options - and that's what Payton/Brees likes - good options. Running the ball will continue to allow Brees to plant his feet in the pocket and have the kind of success and results that we have seen the past three weeks. Writing off the run will get us right back to the darkside.

bobad · 10-30-2007, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by darstep

Writing off the run will get us right back to the darkside.

Everything you said is true, but I don't think SP wrote off the run.

When we got up by 2 TD's, the 49ers started looking for us to run and play keep-away. They crowded the line, making it real hard to run on them. Besides that, Reggie got nicked.

I'm sure SP would have liked to run when up by 2-3 TD's. If he had a QB besides Brees, he probably would have run more.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-30-2007, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by darstep

Well you won't have to be Euph by yourself on this one. This was the problem when Duece was healthy - 9-10 carries a game when averaging 4.3. If we commit to running the ball, protecting Drew Brees in the pocket is easy. We actually showed signs of getting to the run and seems that we've backed off. If we can get a push early in the game, we will get some breakouts, and then we are pass blocking defenders that are on the heels and not on their toes. Hasn't meant much with our recent opponents, but our pass-pass-pass day of reconning is coming. Against good defenses, that have a decent pass rush, we have GOT to run the ball. The key to running Bush, Stecker, and Thomas, given their size and weight, is to have them play off of the lead of Karney. He will make their job easy. We know that there will be at least ONE linebacker that won't be in on the tackle. Karney also works well in pass protection, picking up the blitz, and allowing the other back to sneak out as a safety valve with linebacker coverage. So what! we have one less tightend - Karney gives us options - and that's what Payton/Brees likes - good options. Running the ball will continue to allow Brees to plant his feet in the pocket and have the kind of success and results that we have seen the past three weeks. Writing off the run will get us right back to the darkside.

Yeah! What he said too!

SFIAH

10-29-2007, 08:06 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by LongTimeFan Brees- 336 yards, 4 TD's and no INT's Colston-85 yards, 3 TD's Bush-113 total yards 31 points scored today. No need to run much today when the passing game was freaking awesome. 3-4 and only one game back of the Bucs and Panthers I guess I'm going to become the Euph of this subject. Just because everything is working right now doesn't mean that you don't address the problem. Our pass happy offense works well against certain types of frankly not very good defenses. Try it against a playoff caliber defense and you get 4 game losing streaks to start the season. Passing all the time makes you predictable and streaky. Great when the streak is in your favor. Terrible when it's not. We can pass the ball at will. We can agree on that right? So why not run the ball to set up the pass? Bush had a 6.4 YPC average yesterday. But he only carried the ball 10 times. There are exposive plays in the run game. But you have to run the ball consistently to get to them. I was watching the Patriots game yesterday and the analyist quoted Belechick saying that he gameplans his defense to take away what you do best. Every playoff caliber defense simply plans to take away the Saints passing game. And when that works you get streaks like the beginning of the season where Brees has 1 TD and 9 INTs. I'm concerned because other than J'ville next week and maybe Tampa in early December we're not going to encounter any playoff caliber defenses for the rest of the season. So Coach will continue to be pass happy because it works. And we'll run most if not all of the rest of the table (Grant was quoted as us finishing 12-4). And then the playoffs will come and we'll possibly be in New York, or Green Bay against really good fast defenses that will rush Brees and shut down the passing game in awful January conditions (or possibly even in the SuperDome). And we'll be back to asking what happened? Just like leaving Soldier field that damn cold January day (I know. I was there!) We need the practice. The offense needs the consistency of a run game. We need to generate run game tape for others to consider. We need to run the ball. SFIAH
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10-30-2007, 07:55 AM	#2
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I guess I'm going to become the Euph of this subject. So why not run the ball to set up the pass? Bush had a 6.4 YPC average yesterday. But he only carried the ball 10 times. There are exposive plays in the run game. But you have to run the ball consistently to get to them. SFIAH Well you won't have to be Euph by yourself on this one. This was the problem when Duece was healthy - 9-10 carries a game when averaging 4.3. If we commit to running the ball, protecting Drew Brees in the pocket is easy. We actually showed signs of getting to the run and seems that we've backed off. If we can get a push early in the game, we will get some breakouts, and then we are pass blocking defenders that are on the heels and not on their toes. Hasn't meant much with our recent opponents, but our pass-pass-pass day of reconning is coming. Against good defenses, that have a decent pass rush, we have GOT to run the ball. The key to running Bush, Stecker, and Thomas, given their size and weight, is to have them play off of the lead of Karney. He will make their job easy. We know that there will be at least ONE linebacker that won't be in on the tackle. Karney also works well in pass protection, picking up the blitz, and allowing the other back to sneak out as a safety valve with linebacker coverage. So what! we have one less tightend - Karney gives us options - and that's what Payton/Brees likes - good options. Running the ball will continue to allow Brees to plant his feet in the pocket and have the kind of success and results that we have seen the past three weeks. Writing off the run will get us right back to the darkside.
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10-30-2007, 08:31 AM	#3
bobad 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by darstep Writing off the run will get us right back to the darkside. Everything you said is true, but I don't think SP wrote off the run. When we got up by 2 TD's, the 49ers started looking for us to run and play keep-away. They crowded the line, making it real hard to run on them. Besides that, Reggie got nicked. I'm sure SP would have liked to run when up by 2-3 TD's. If he had a QB besides Brees, he probably would have run more.
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10-30-2007, 10:36 AM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Is There a Lawsuit that prohibits the Saints from running the ball Originally Posted by darstep Well you won't have to be Euph by yourself on this one. This was the problem when Duece was healthy - 9-10 carries a game when averaging 4.3. If we commit to running the ball, protecting Drew Brees in the pocket is easy. We actually showed signs of getting to the run and seems that we've backed off. If we can get a push early in the game, we will get some breakouts, and then we are pass blocking defenders that are on the heels and not on their toes. Hasn't meant much with our recent opponents, but our pass-pass-pass day of reconning is coming. Against good defenses, that have a decent pass rush, we have GOT to run the ball. The key to running Bush, Stecker, and Thomas, given their size and weight, is to have them play off of the lead of Karney. He will make their job easy. We know that there will be at least ONE linebacker that won't be in on the tackle. Karney also works well in pass protection, picking up the blitz, and allowing the other back to sneak out as a safety valve with linebacker coverage. So what! we have one less tightend - Karney gives us options - and that's what Payton/Brees likes - good options. Running the ball will continue to allow Brees to plant his feet in the pocket and have the kind of success and results that we have seen the past three weeks. Writing off the run will get us right back to the darkside. Yeah! What he said too! SFIAH